Posted on 12/15/2011 10:32:48 AM PST by alex2011
They're all three (Powers/Hainan/UAVs) totally distinct incidents of course, but they can be both compared and contrasted, just like JFK, Bush and Obama. Three totally different characters, with some similarities and some radical differences.
For your topic of manned vs unmanned flight, obviously there is an opportunity to contrast what we'd be talked about now had a manned spy plane been grounded inside Iranian borders. Essentially another 1979 hostage crisis! But "ohnoez" you'll demur! "Those were diplomats at an embassy! I may be dense but how could that be the same as USAF pilots?!"
lol.
Of all the scenarios suggested, a human spy on the inside seems more simple and to the point than Iranian Star Trek tricorders jamming the signal -from above- (GPS/com antennas are on the top talking to satellites.)
Of course that's very plausible too. So what is Bama's motivation for begging for the fake drone back? And why did we decide to admit one was lost?
How does that help us?
Air gapped.
I guess I am wondering why it is so unreasonable to think that the Iranians could have expert computer programmers?
This stuff is not like developing composite carbon fiber coatings for a stealth bomber. It’s not like they need to manufacture something.
You need a computer and training.
While the programming is complicated, they DO have rocket scientists.
Maybe you should ask the White House that, since they requested the Iranians give it back.
Why would we say it crashed and supposedly take pictures of the crash, and then say it wasn’t
I think the pic you might be referring to was a previous incident.
You’re gullible and not worthy of your own tag
Hmmm. I've never been accused of being, "gullible".
The drone is a fake and you are completely ignorant on this subject.
OK, question:
Why would the President of the United States be requesting they give us their "fake" drone?
Go ahead and answer the question.
Three totally different characters, with some similarities...
man vs unmanned
forced down vs a software or technical method
spies in our headquarters vs Chinese Airforce
diplomats vs USAF pilots????
What the heck?
We were talking about methods. Can you please tell what similarity you have in mind here, and how the hell you could now bring in our 1980 Iranian embassy staff and USAF pilots from decades later?
IT’S AN UNMANNED DRONE.
I asked because it hasn’t been answered. If you don’t know, just say so.
OK, question:
Why would the President of the United States be requesting they give us their "fake" drone?
Go ahead and answer the question.
Obama’s options:
1. Call it a fake and forfeit any covert opportunity to act on this charade in the future.
2. Tell Iran to keep it.
3. Ask for it back.
But you keep believing your government. I guess you really don’t have any reason not to. Especially with Obama running the show. We can all trust him...can’t we?
You still haven’t answered why you think they are hiding the landing gear... have you? I’ve asked several times. Care to take a swing at it?
Your evading the question.
Why would the President of the United States be requesting they give us their "fake" drone?
Stop evading the question.
Last time and if you don’t answer, I’m not going to play anymore.
WHY ARE THEY HIDING THE LANDING GEAR?
>I would guess, those taking control of the drone, would have difficulty landing this aircraft, never having done so previously, and the gear was possibly compromised on landing?<
The drone is a fake and you are completely ignorant on this subject.
Your evading the question.
Once again, why would the President of the United States be requesting they give us their "fake" drone?
IT'S NOT AUTONOMOUS. IT STILL HAS A PILOT VIA AVIONICS. IN NEVADA.
man vs unmanned < You brought that up with snark, so finish it. Why would a downed manned spyplane be better in this situation? forced down vs a software or technical method < Both end up as NEARLY IDENTICAL diplomatic nightmares and espionage treasure trove spies in our headquarters vs Chinese Airforce < War by other means diplomats vs USAF pilots???? < Back to step one. Suppose it had been a manned mission downed, and they had our pilots too. That would look...gee whiz...a lot like Islamist extremists holding Americans hostage under a Dem President, in, golly, 1979.
See how different elements can have multiple similarities and differences? WOW!
Are you able to have a discussion on more than a single level, or are you just intentionally stirring the pot without a sarc tag which is a flame war tactic prohibited by the Jimrob Conventions of 2001.
I asked because it hasn’t been answered.
Well?
I guess I'm wondering why you directed that at me? I didn't say anything of the sort.
In fact, I suggested that this was not a magical in-flight avionics extravaganza, but perhaps an inside (iranian, chinese, or russky) spy loading a virus/backdoor/control.
I'm very much suggesting that the enemy may have taken over control of these at the top of the food chain, not at the final radio link.
Compromised??? So what? Lay the gear out in front and show the world that you have the real thing. If you have the real thing, you don't hide any part of it. Unless you're tying to deceive.
I think I'm going to call it a night. See you on the next drone thread and Merry Christmas.
OK, I had to remind you I already speculated on that. Who knows about the gear?
The drone is a fake and you are completely ignorant on this subject.
OK, you say it's a fake. But why are you evading my question?
Question:
Why would the President of the United States be requesting they give us their "fake" drone?
I think I'm going to call it a night.
Wait, before ya run for the tall grass, what about my question slick?
LOL!
I’ve never seen anyone run for the tall grass as fast as you!
I did in post 109. You must have missed it. I’ve won this argument and was trying to be nice. Tall grass...lol. Merry Christmas and try to think a little more critically.
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