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Man Shot By Bernhard Goetz Found Dead After Apparent Suicide
The Gothamist ^ | 12/23/2011

Posted on 12/23/2011 3:32:55 PM PST by SeekAndFind

James Ramseur's life of crime ended yesterday with a bottle of pills in a seedy Bronx hotel room, where he was found dead 27 years to the day after he was shot by infamous "Subway Vigilante" Bernhard Goetz. Ramseur had checked into the Paradise Hotel at 2990 Boston Road on Tuesday and was supposed to check out yesterday. When he failed to return his key, the manager entered the room and found his corpse, fully clothed, with two empty prescription pill bottles next to the bed, their labels scratched off. He was 45, and left no note.

Ramseur became infamous in 1984, when he was riding the 2 train downtown with friends Darrell Cabey, Barry Allen and Troy Canty, all 19. At Chambers Street, they crossed paths with Goetz, and what happened then is a matter of of some dispute. Goetz, who was working as an electronics specialist at the time, has long maintained the teens tried to mug him, while Ramseur and his friends say it wasn't a mugging, merely panhandling. Whatever the cause, the result was five rounds fired from Goetz's unlicensed Smith & Wesson.

Ramseur, who had been holding a screwdriver during the incident, was shot in the chest and lapsed into a coma.

The other teens were also seriously wounded, with Cabey sustaining the worst injuries—he's still wheelchair-bound and, according to the Post, functions with "the intellect of an eight-year-old." The Daily News reports that during Goetz's trial, Ramseur "was held in contempt of court at least six times for refusing to testify. He acted belligerently each time he took the stand, denouncing the legal system before being ushered out by armed guards." A mostly white jury ultimately acquitted Goetz of all four counts of attempted murder, but found him guilty of illegal weapons possession, for which he did several months in Rikers.

As for Ramseur, within a year of the shooting, he was arrested for helping to rape a pregnant teen at gunpoint on a Bronx rooftop. After spending 25 years in prison, he was released less than a year-and-a-half ago. Goetz is still alive, but could not be reached for comment on Ramseur's apparent suicide. In an interview with the NY Times in the '80s, he said, the teens he shot "represented the failure of society.... Forget about they're ever making a positive contribution to society.

It's only a question of how much a price they're going to cost. The solution is their mothers should have had an abortion."

Goetz's attorney Darnay Hoffman also committed suicide two years ago.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bernhardgoetz; ny; nyc

Bernhard Goetz in custody days after the NYPD launched a manhunt for the “Subway Vigilante” in 1984 >

The shooting happened on Dec. 22, 1984, when Ramseur and neighborhood pals Darrell Cabey, Barry Allen and Troy Canty were riding a downtown No. 2 train.

As it approached Chambers Street, they encountered Goetz, an electronics specialist, and what ensued is in dispute. Goetz told authorities the intimidating youths demanded $5 from him. The teens insisted they were only panhandling.

Goetz fired five shots from his Smith & Wesson, hitting all of them.

Ramseur was wounded in the arm.

Many residents of the city, which was then undergoing an unprecedented era of street crime, hailed him as a hero. But since the four youths were black, others called him a racist.



1 posted on 12/23/2011 3:33:07 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

For those who don’t remember, Bernhard Goetz was convicted of illegally possessing a loaded firearm, but cleared of the more serious charges — four counts of attempted murder.

One of those he shot, Darrell Cabey, who was paralyzed when Goetz shot him at close range, won a $43 million lawsuit against Goetz, who declared bankruptcy and hasn’t paid a dime.

Cabey, by far the most seriously injured, still is confined to a wheelchair and functions with the intellect of an 8-year-old.

The other one Goetz shot,Barry Allen was convicted of robbery in 1991 and released from prison four years later.

The third one shot, Troy Canty racked up a string of petty offenses, and once served 18 months in a residential drug-treatment program.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/one_suicide_four_young_men_shot_5HWtSdYTO6hAX9tdO6x1SJ#ixzz1hP3bgS4E


2 posted on 12/23/2011 3:35:25 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds like the streets are a little (or a lot) safer now.

No loss and a net gain for society.


3 posted on 12/23/2011 3:35:51 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Regarding the “racist” accusation, one does suppose the folks who toss that one around think it’d been better if Goetz would have shot some white folks who just happened to be on the same train.


4 posted on 12/23/2011 3:36:20 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind

Was he just about to turn his life around?


5 posted on 12/23/2011 3:37:27 PM PST by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well Gee....

That’s too bad.... /S


6 posted on 12/23/2011 3:38:18 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SeekAndFind

Darnay Hoffman...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/13/nyregion/darnay-hoffman-dies-at-63-lawyer-with-notorious-clients.html?_r=1


7 posted on 12/23/2011 3:40:40 PM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: SeekAndFind
Cabey sustaining the worst injuries...functions with "the intellect of an eight-year-old."

As if Goetz had anything to do with that.

8 posted on 12/23/2011 3:40:40 PM PST by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Infamous?
Racist?

What’s infamous about shooting attackers when you reasonably fear for your safety?

What’s racist about using the same tactic against black attackers that you would any other attackers, no matter what their race was?

It really frustrates the police and the courts when they can’t see emergency service personnel scrape your remains up off the floor, sidewalk, or ground, then let your attackers off.

If more attackers where put down, the streets would be a lot more safe than they are today. One wonders if the police and the courts are worried there won’t be enough repeat business to keep them going.


9 posted on 12/23/2011 3:42:43 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No tears for any of them.


10 posted on 12/23/2011 3:43:07 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: SeekAndFind

Goetz needs to lawyer up. The family will be suing again


11 posted on 12/23/2011 3:43:07 PM PST by Figment
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To: SeekAndFind

panhandling with a screwdriver....ooooooooK


12 posted on 12/23/2011 3:43:45 PM PST by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: SeekAndFind
Goetz shot him at close range, won a $43 million lawsuit against Goetz,

BTW it was the NYC government attorneys who got Caby to instigated the lawsuit to punish Goetz for having the temerity to defend himself from their beloved black criminals. I normally detest jury duty, but that is on I'd have wanted to be on - Although by that time I no longer lived in NYC.

13 posted on 12/23/2011 3:44:21 PM PST by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: lowbridge

I think he *always* operated with the brain of an eight-year-old, so who could tell??


14 posted on 12/23/2011 3:45:09 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: SeekAndFind

Some people make the world better by what they do before they check out. Others make the world better simply by checking out.


15 posted on 12/23/2011 3:45:14 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Obama means crooked.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bernhard Hugo Goetz (born November 7, 1947)
...on December 22, 1984, on a Manhattan subway, fired a revolver five times, seriously wounding four muggers...

...surrendered to police and was charged with attempted murder, assault, reckless endangerment, and illegal firearm possession...

...a jury found him not guilty of all charges except the illegal firearms possession count, for which he served 9 months of the one-year sentence...


16 posted on 12/23/2011 3:45:24 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: DoughtyOne
It really frustrates the police and the courts when they can’t see emergency service personnel scrape your remains up off the floor, sidewalk, or ground, then let your attackers off.

Well said

17 posted on 12/23/2011 3:45:47 PM PST by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Mears

Was he just about to turn his life around?

Well duh. He turned his life around for the good of all humanity yesterday/s


18 posted on 12/23/2011 3:48:33 PM PST by Figment
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To: from occupied ga

Well, it was a jaded view, but there are times when it’s hard to deny that it looks for all the world just like this.

Thanks for the note of agreement.


19 posted on 12/23/2011 3:50:33 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: SeekAndFind
In a just world, we'd have a commemorative bronze statue of Goetz at every subway station in NYC.

He should have given them each an "insurance" shot in the head before leaving. There would be fewer victims in the world.

20 posted on 12/23/2011 3:51:36 PM PST by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: SeekAndFind

Flush!


21 posted on 12/23/2011 3:53:34 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: SeekAndFind

Charlie says, "Hello!"

22 posted on 12/23/2011 3:53:38 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind
"...infamous "Subway Vigilante" Bernhard Goetz."

Infamous my ass. A man who defended himself from four vile and vicious pieces of human garbage is anything but "infamous" in my book.

23 posted on 12/23/2011 3:54:14 PM PST by VR-21 (God save us from Mister Magoo Republicans.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Too bad all he had was a .38 revolver with standard ammunition.


24 posted on 12/23/2011 3:54:19 PM PST by dadgum (Overjoyed to be the Pariah.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Justice delayed still justice done.


25 posted on 12/23/2011 3:54:48 PM PST by Happy Rain ('The GOP establishment thinks a conservative can't win--Liberal Democrats KNOW conservatives win.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
...27 years to the day after he was shot by infamous "Subway Vigilante" Bernhard Goetz... Ramseur, who had been holding a screwdriver during the incident, was shot in the chest and lapsed into a coma...
The moral of the story? Group your shots, and don't be afraid to reload.

Thanks SeekAndFind. "We wuz just panhandling, the screwdriver was in case the handle on the pan came loose."


26 posted on 12/23/2011 3:55:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t know about you guys but I ALWAYS carry a screw driver when I’m panhandling. Cabey started with the IQ of a 8 year old and finishes the same.


27 posted on 12/23/2011 3:56:08 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: SeekAndFind

The deceased is just a few years younger than our current white house occupant.


28 posted on 12/23/2011 3:56:15 PM PST by truth_seeker (l)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ll never forget the warm glowing feeling of Christmas 1984 for the hero, Goetz (who was not known yet). He is still a hero, and I’m glad the attacker finally did the right thing and rid the world of his presence. I’m in the Christmas mood finally


29 posted on 12/23/2011 4:00:49 PM PST by Figment
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To: SeekAndFind

“I have five dollars for each of you.”


30 posted on 12/23/2011 4:05:27 PM PST by CASchack
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds like Mr. Goetz should have had a little more “range time”. Would have saved the taxpayers a lot of money.


31 posted on 12/23/2011 4:12:14 PM PST by GoldenPup
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To: SeekAndFind
While he was certainly a criminal, he was also quite the fashion plate. An aficionado, apparently, of the leprechaun style of dress.

32 posted on 12/23/2011 4:18:12 PM PST by Krankor ( spare time.)
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To: SeekAndFind

” functions with “the intellect of an eight-year-old.”

Well, that is an improvement for the perp from the time he committed the crime.


33 posted on 12/23/2011 4:33:48 PM PST by Sea Parrot (You know you might be facing your DOOM , if all you get is a click, Instead of a BOOM !)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

yes, but everyone, even convicted rapists and drug addicts, are children of God...


34 posted on 12/23/2011 4:37:04 PM PST by LadyDoc
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To: LadyDoc

RE: yes, but everyone, even convicted rapists and drug addicts, are children of God...

___________________________

Maybe that is the view of some other religion.

However, Biblical Christianity differentiates between being God’s CHILD and being God’s CREATURE.

According to the Gospel of John 1:12-13

12 Yet TO ALL WHO RECEIVE HIM, to those who believed in his name, HE GAVE THE RIGHT TO BECOME CHILDREN OF GOD — 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

We are all God’s creatures but we are NOT all God’s children.

Being His child is a privilege given only to those who come into repentance by faith in God’s Son, Jesus Christ.


35 posted on 12/23/2011 4:44:02 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SunkenCiv

The only “victim” who did not continue his life of crime, is the one who is now paralyzed.


36 posted on 12/23/2011 4:50:12 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: SeekAndFind

“Being His child is a privilege given only to those who come into repentance by faith in God’s Son, Jesus Christ.”
Amen to that! I am glad you posted this response. Although as Christians we are to extend our compassion to others, we are all not children of God as you so aptly related. Why would we need a savior if we are already in the family so to speak. It is Jesus Christ’s shed blood that makes atonement for our sin and it is this alone, available to all who repent, that brings you into a relationship with God. To insist that a murderer or a thief, sinners who the Bible says will see the fiery pit, is God’s child is a version of a very flawed theology.


37 posted on 12/23/2011 5:01:42 PM PST by sueuprising (The best of it is, God is with us-John Wesley)
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To: Krankor

“An aficionado, apparently, of the leprechaun style of dress”
LOL>>> too funny. The picture you posted was hilarious. I needed that laugh.


38 posted on 12/23/2011 5:03:20 PM PST by sueuprising (The best of it is, God is with us-John Wesley)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks! I sure love these holiday time, heart warming, feel good stories! Sniff. I needa box a kleenex now.


39 posted on 12/23/2011 5:03:20 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Al $harpton was around then and said Goetz was a racist.

Further:

In Connecticut, Goetz faked mental illness to avoid being drafted into the Vietnam War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Goetz


40 posted on 12/23/2011 5:56:20 PM PST by Graybeard58 (No Obama, No Romney, No Paul, No Huntsman. We can do better than that!)
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To: SeekAndFind
You are correct but I would take it a step further.

1 John 3:10 further clarifies that these people who are not children of God are in fact, children of the devil.

41 posted on 12/23/2011 6:53:14 PM PST by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Matthew 25: 40.


42 posted on 12/23/2011 7:11:25 PM PST by LadyDoc
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To: SeekAndFind

Is this the guy who also shot husband of now Representative Carolyn Maloney of New York who got elected by the sympathy vote and her anti-gun stance?


43 posted on 12/23/2011 7:18:11 PM PST by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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To: SeekAndFind

I just shit, er shed a tear for Ramseur and the others. Four of New York’s finest. Who was mayor back then, Dumbass Dinkins, Koch, ?


44 posted on 12/23/2011 7:36:10 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: freedumb2003; Mears; SeekAndFind

“Mr. Ramseur testified at the trial, but his angry outbursts provoked the judge to disallow his testimony and order him removed from the courtroom.

“Mr. Ramseur was already incarcerated at the time of the trial, having been convicted of raping, sodomizing, and robbing a young pregnant woman in 1986.”

http://articles.boston.com/2011-12-25/obituaries/30554801_1_darrel-cabey-troy-canty-james-ramseur


45 posted on 01/02/2012 9:42:12 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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