Posted on 12/27/2011 12:50:14 PM PST by La Enchiladita
Thousands of Israelis have rallied in the town of Beit Shemesh against ultra-Orthodox Jewish extremism.
The protest follows two days of clashes after an eight-year-old girl said she had been harassed on her way to school.
Some ultra-Orthodox in Beit Shemesh are seeking to segregate men and women.
President Shimon Peres backed the protest. "The entire nation must be recruited in order to save the majority from the hands of a small minority," Mr Peres said hours before the rally.
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...
This is hard to understand. With all the problems and issues the Israelis are facing, that these “extremists” (whatever that means) are stirring up problems within the Jewish country.
This begs the question: Are they really Israelis, or Muslims in sheeps garb??
I hope someone who lives in Israel can enlighten us.
From what I have read, the government has enabled and even favored the ultra-Orthodox community over the years, so may be responsible for having created the sense of ultra-entitlement. But these are guesses on my part.....
Some of them actually smeared vomit on the window of a bakery because of the prohibition of eating leveaned bread buring Passover.
“This begs the question: Are they really Israelis, or Muslims in sheeps garb??”
First off, I am not going to defend this particular group.
Second, I am Orthodox and did, like most Orthodox (despite what the press says) serve in the IDF. The IAF, specifically, flying F-16s. This is a minority of minorities.
Third, comparing these turds to muslims, is absurd.
While this is probably a small point to you, they target only Jewish people -— unlike muslims, they only push their beliefs on fellow Jewish people, and only in their neighborhoods. For example, if a Christian walked down the street eating a ham sandwhich during Passover, they would not care.
More importantly, while they are childish oafs, they don’t rape, kill, and brutalize people.
AND FINALLY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, NOTE who is taking care of these turds —— FELLOW JEWISH Folk.
Don’t see muslims taking care of their fanatics, do you?!
Nothing good comes from allowing able-bodied men to be on welfare. They should serve in the IDF and get a job like everybody else.
“..Third, comparing these turds to muslims, is absurd...”
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Thanks for your inputs. Very informative. I did not compare them to Muslims, but suggested that MAYBE they were of some other group such as Muslims? How would we, in the USA, know these facts? But anyway, my question was not answered as to WHY these people are creating problems when Israel has so many other pressing issues from outside Israel? If I was a Jewish citizen of Israel, I would be much more worried about being surrounded by Muslim countries all of which want to destroy me and my country....hence, the reason for my question.
Again, thanks!
Yes we do. Suicide bombers' families get money, and Saudis subsidize radical madrasahs offering free room and board to poor Muslims in order to indoctrinate them. Islamic fanatics would be far fewer without cash subsidies.
Similarly, there's something about having to get along with bosses, co-workers, and customers that tends to work against obnoxious behavior.
My English may be failing me, but I want to make clear that by “taking care of” in the Israeli context, I mean “policing, putting a stop to.”
As in, normal Jewish folk (including Orthodox) put a stop to these turds.
In muslim countries, they are celebrated or feared.
“WHY these people are creating problems when Israel has so many other pressing issues from outside Israel? If I was a Jewish citizen of Israel . . . “
Well, they are setting up rules for their little villages. They don’t see it as a “pressing problem.”
And this particular group (who was there before the modern state of Israel) does not recognize the Israeli government, so they don’t care. They are waiting for the Mosiach.
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Regarding the dispute:
And the rules are, at least theoretically, voluntary -— as in, “akery shut down for Passover, or we pull your Kosher certification” (which would be a certification problem) -— but they are taking it a step farther -— with threats of boycotts, etc, to other kinds of stores.
Me, I am all for a free market and if they want to boycott a store because a woman wears short sleeves, that’s their problem.
So it is a bit exagerated by both sides.
Where the line is being crossed is alleged threats against people just walking down the street. That’s BS.
Duly noted! Also, the articles don't take any pains to emphasize a difference between Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox. I think you're right, that BBC has an agenda here. They do the same with their lurid stories about American politics and society.
If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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And as in a free nation, they're being dealt with within the confines of the law, and in the court of public opinion.
Solid post.
Neturei-friggin'-Karta?
They are a royal pain, but they are without any doubt real Jews: ultra-Orthodox, more precisely. Many Israelis resent them, and rightly so, because they refuse to work and instead demand to be paid a dole to sit at home and read the Talmud. The trouble is that they have a political party, Shas, that is always needed to form a governing coalition, whether it’s a government led by Labor or Likud. And so the government of Israel always caves to to its demands, foremost among them allowing the ultra-Orthodox to loaf on welfare, though of course it’s pushed other obnoxious laws, such as that Israel only recognizes conversions performed by Orthodox rabbis.
I believe eleutheria is in israel.
I’d like to know of what that “preference” and “enabling” consists. Israeli police are rather prone to beating up Chassidic demonstrators. They do get out of IDF service rather easily, but some of them are ideologically opposed to a state of Israel so it’s best not to have them in. They do not get to throw things at people or vandalize property with impunity. That’s a preference only Arabs have. The Satmar Hassidim have scrupulously refused to take any money from the Israeli government. My son is what you might call Haredi, but he did serve in the IDF, and he does NOT throw fecal matter at little girls.
Thank you for the response. In the future, I think I’ll stay away from the topic, though.
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