It's really amazing just how good the numbers actually are, especially the lack of negligent discharges
Ridiculous question from the NYT. How many working at 620 Eighth Ave. are packing....legally?
It is safe to say that if a writer is from NYC there is a 75% chance they are Batcrap crazy and off their medication!
plenty if Americans would agree that the New York Times is a menace to society.
There’s no guns in the utopia of NY, what are they afraid of besides southern food?
ping to interesting take on the NYT’s recent story (Luo)
NC has turned hard left, thanks to the influx of NE Libs and Governor “suspend elections for two years” Perdue. Raleigh is far too close to DC and has become contaminated. Glad to be back in WV..now I need to convince my grown children to leave NC.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2826665/posts
Cops may be a menace to society based on the way this article was written.
“a potentially volatile circumstance given the link between drinking and violence.:
And I always thought that the drinking was used as an anesthetic so the nagging outside world didn’t get to them and send them over the edge!
No wonder I feel so safe in NC... Everyone has a gun!
I did this in another thread about an article commenting on this latest bit of NYT anti-1A agitprop, only I used national statistics. I would guess that the general NC population probably has a slightly higher crime rate than the national figures I used, so the CCW group would look even better. What follows is that post:
Luo fails to make the obvious comparison [between CCW holders and the general population] because he and the Times are pushing an agenda. He and they are not interested in a fair transparent analysis of the facts.
Note that he touts 2400 "felonies and misdemeanors." Per the NY Times article, there were only 200 felony convictions out of those 2400 arrests over 5 years in a population of about a quarter million. That boils down to a rate of about 17 felonies / 100,000 population per year for the concealed carry population.
The U.S. violent crime rate for the general population was 403.6 / 100,000 in 2010 (source: FBI Uniform Crime Reports). Note that this is just violent crime, which is a subset of felonies, and yet still the general population of the U.S. is more than 23 times more likely to commit a violent crime than the NC CCW permit holders are to commit a felony.
I'll take my chances with the concealed carry population, thank you very much. I wonder what Michael Luo would prefer?
Frankly, I could in general care less about the misdemeanors Luo lumps into his numbers in a transparent attempt to make the numbers look worse for concealed carry holders. Heck, you can probably get one of those for littering. I'll have to ask my friend who was ticketed for throwing boiled peanut hulls out the car window while riding around in rural GA, surely one of the most absurd citations ever. I expect this sort of event would have ended up in Luo's numbers.
Luo and the Times clearly have an agenda here, and it isn't a fair and transparent analysis of the data surrounding crime by CCW holders. If he were interested in such a thing, he could have easily included a comparison such as the one I generated above with just a few minutes of research.
All I know is that I have killed less people with my handguns than Teddy Kennedy did with his car
In a 2009 article in the Connecticut Law Review, I collected data from Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio, Louisiana, Texas, and Florida. (The state data begin on page 564 of the article.) The data show that concealed carry licensees are much more law-abiding than...
There’s 564+ pages in this article??? [chuckles]
Looks top me like the NYT’s is more of a menace to trees and it’s own inductry, more than those of us who carry a firearm for “lawful, self-defensive” purposes...
Not that I believe the NYT’s is a definitive source of credible information on a great variety of things...
Yes. We should eliminate the permits (but keep the concealed carrying). All government permits are a menace to society.
I read an article recently about the number of issued carry permits per thousand citizens. New York State was number one. The data below is from 2000. Several states don’t make the data available so it is likely that states like Arizona and Alaska may well have higher rates.
Permits per every 1,000 adults
1. New York 77.71
2. Indiana 67.02
3. Pennsylvania 56.16
4. Washington 51.41
5. Connecticut 48.75
6. Idaho 42.68
7. Utah 39.33
8. Tennessee 37.29
9. Kentucky 28.29
10. Florida 26.95
Newspapers that feel that CCW people are a danger to society are more dangerous than CCW carriers.
HELL yes!
Why ELSE would I carry one?
If a 'society member' comes into the gas station I'm in and demands money from the clerk while brandishing his weapon; you can be SURE I will 'menace' his soon to be room temperature butt!
We don't take too kindly to that sort of stuff out my way!
https://www.google.com/search?q=kroger+employee+kills+robber&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=
“Are people with concealed-carry permits a menace to society?
For the stealth soviet revolutionaries among us, the answer will always be a resounding yes.
(They don’t want them free Christians to have any guns because they make not take too well to the revolution.)
IMHO
I wonder if Mr. Luo has tried checking on crimes committed by cops into proportion to their numbers. He would probably find out that concealed carry permit holders are more law abiding than the cops...
The New York Times fascists fear armed citizens because of what happened to their totalitarian buddies in Libya.
The Libyan people and the army - more than half of it - attacked the government, dragging bureaucrats and Qaddafi loyalists into the streets and either shooting them or hanging them from lampposts. Thousands of Qaddafi loyalists are MIA, being held in private jails by militias. Their fate is unknown.
Qaddafi’s army chief of staff was taken into the street and either shot or hanged. Qaddafi’s elite bodyguards were shot or hanged. The brutal sub-Saharan mercenaries paid to protect Qaddafi were killed. Qaddafi himself was dragged onto a road, slammed against the hood of an SUV, beaten severely and then executed.
Bet your dollars that this demonstration of armed citizens scared the cheese out of the fascists at the NYT and the Washington elitists.
This was an interesting effort by the NYT.
I grew up in NY and have recently been traveling there frequently because of family concerns. I have actually been looking into legal CCW once I cross the Westchester-Connecticut line (I travel thru Westchester, the Bronx, Queens, sometimes Manhattan, and Nassau County), because I am legal in all six New England states and I carry every day.
It’s AMAZING that, in my situation (traveling with small kids, at night, and managing monetary affairs) that legal carry is an impossibility. It’s even MORE amazing that, of all the weapons violators who abound in the five boroughs and on the Island, the person most likely to be sentenced to prison if caught is - me.
It’s truly a complete moral inversion, and while the liberal fascism that has taken over NYS/NYC has many, many examples more injurious to people than this one, this one is particularly offensive to me as I sit here, unarmed, for the next few days.
NYS/NYC policy of no legal nonresident carry (except for business owners in NY who reside elsewhere, and famous people) is as clear and unambiguous a denial of the Second Amendment right as I can imagine.
I started by saying that this piece in the Slimes was “interesting”. It’s interesting because it indicates that the Ruling Class must be under pressure to allow legal CCW, even in NY, and they want the sheeple to go back to sleep.