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Could Typo Rewrite Caucus History? (Santorum may regain win)
KCCI Des Moines ^

Posted on 01/05/2012 6:12:47 PM PST by mnehring

Caucus Vote Counter Says Romney Mistakenly Given 20 Votes

(Video report at link)

DES MOINES, Iowa -- Caucus night was chaotic in many places, with hundreds of voters, candidates showing up and the throngs of media who followed. The world's eyes were on Iowa. But in the quiet town of Moulton, Appanoose County, a caucus of 50 people may just blow up the results.

Edward True, 28, of Moulton, said he helped count the votes and jotted the results down on a piece of paper to post to his Facebook page. He said when he checked to make sure the Republican Party of Iowa got the count right, he said he was shocked to find they hadn't.

"When Mitt Romney won Iowa by eight votes and I've got a 20-vote discrepancy here, that right there says Rick Santorum won Iowa," True said. "Not Mitt Romney."

(Excerpt) Read more at kcci.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: backstabberromney; iowa; iowacaucus; iowacaucusmiscount; rickwillwinvirginia; romney; romneycheatmachine; romneydirtytrick; romneydirtytricks; romneyfakepolls; romneyfakevotes; romneysabotage; saboteurromney; santorum
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1 posted on 01/05/2012 6:12:59 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Interesting....Does anyone here know what the consequences might be?


2 posted on 01/05/2012 6:15:42 PM PST by maeng ( l)
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To: mnehring

Interesting....Does anyone here know what the consequences might be?


3 posted on 01/05/2012 6:16:02 PM PST by maeng ( l)
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To: maeng

I’m not sure it really matters. As far as most of the country is concerned it was either a draw or a win for Santorum


4 posted on 01/05/2012 6:17:37 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: mnehring

IIRC the “official tally” will not be completed for a couple of week. Since it’s this close, I’d suggest they both hold their breath. ;~)


5 posted on 01/05/2012 6:18:13 PM PST by hoosiermama (GAME-ON!)
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To: maeng

In Iowa, the delegates aren’t actually assigned by the caucus so it is mostly a PR victory.


6 posted on 01/05/2012 6:18:35 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Thanks, that is what I thought but never know what someone will come up with.


7 posted on 01/05/2012 6:19:45 PM PST by maeng ( l)
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To: mnehring

Yes, the person that originally lied, will have to lie again, and claim it was a mistake.
Then, Rick, as winner, will carry 13 of Iowa’s delegates to the convention and Mitt will carry 12.


8 posted on 01/05/2012 6:21:45 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: mnehring
He said when he checked to make sure the Republican Party of Iowa got the count right, he said he was shocked to find they hadn't.

Edward "True", must have suspected something for him to follow up on the numbers. Interesting.....

9 posted on 01/05/2012 6:21:52 PM PST by classified
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To: mnehring
Wow, and Snitt Romney was so proud of finally getting an additional .0005 percent rather than never getting above 24% or something. I bet he'll throw a tantrum and fire someone in his campaign crowd.
10 posted on 01/05/2012 6:21:52 PM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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Click

11 posted on 01/05/2012 6:22:37 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: Free Vulcan; stillafreemind
Given your closeness to the process and the caucus happenings, this is the kind of stuff I asked you guys about on an earlier thread.

Like I said, the narrative coming out of Tuesday had to be "Romney won" == whether or not it was actually true. Thoughts?

FReegards!


12 posted on 01/05/2012 6:23:09 PM PST by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: mnehring

This can easily be resolved by asking caucus goers at that location whether more than 2 of them supported Mitt!


13 posted on 01/05/2012 6:23:22 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: maeng

“Interesting....Does anyone here know what the consequences might be?”

Yea, Rove will have a harder time justifying his statement that Romney’s win was a landslide and that the others might as well fold now.


14 posted on 01/05/2012 6:23:33 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: cripplecreek

I think it does matter.

Not so much about who won... clearly Santorum (0.74c per vote versus $160 per vote) won hands down, regardless of who had the 25.0001 versus 25.0002 or whatever.

First, the smaller reason, the bragging rights. With an 8 vote lead, Robney will be milking it for all he can in what he says, and his new ads.

But the bigger reason... with any actual proof of the R officials meddling with the results to get this difference in the outcome, there is tremendous mileage to be gained by Santorum and perhaps other not-Robney’s.

Exacerbated by this coming shortly after the reports of R officials meddling with Virginia ballot petition signatures
as far as total, and how they are or are not validated.


15 posted on 01/05/2012 6:24:04 PM PST by C210N (Dems: "We must tax you so that we can buy your votes")
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To: cripplecreek

I’m interested that a Paul supporter went against the Mitt Machine... that’s the story.

Well, the true backstory is that Santorum and Romney satisfied Iowa’s ethanol subsidies ‘program’.


16 posted on 01/05/2012 6:24:31 PM PST by txhurl (Perry/Pence 2012 OR Perry/Ryan 2012 or even better Perry/Abbott 2012!)
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To: mnehring

It would make a big psychological difference. The media here in a Democrat and RINO GOP infected area quickly reported Romney won blah blah blah and he should carry it to the first IA/NH double win in blah blah blah. Some stories had no mention of Santorum only of the “winner” of Iowa.


17 posted on 01/05/2012 6:25:09 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Pan_Yan

Ping


18 posted on 01/05/2012 6:28:05 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: hoosiermama
IIRC the “official tally” will not be completed for a couple of week. Since it’s this close, I’d suggest they both hold their breath.

This always happens to Republicans. If this was a dem the count would have been finished and certified that same night... and all the ballots destroyed.
19 posted on 01/05/2012 6:28:22 PM PST by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: mnehring
Bragging rights. Public perception. Momentum. These are bigger than a single delegate or two.

I don't do Photoshop, but somebody ought to Photoshop this image: (Swap Truman's face with Rick's; swap Dewey's name with Romney's; swamp Truman's name with Santorum's)


20 posted on 01/05/2012 6:29:55 PM PST by Engraved-on-His-hands
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To: maeng

The caucuses had a presidential preference straw vote. The winner gets nothing from the Iowa Republican Party and the losers lose nothing.

Delegates to Iowa’s next level can not be committed to any candidate, as per national GOP rules. Iowa’s Republican National Convention delegates are not chosen until the middle of June.


21 posted on 01/05/2012 6:30:50 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: mnehring

I am aware of another mistake that caused the local press to be given the wrong numbers and caused the local press to report the wrong winner. The numbers that went to the party were, however correct. Stuff happens, especially when the numbers are so close.


22 posted on 01/05/2012 6:32:20 PM PST by w1andsodidwe (Barrak has now won the contest. He is even worse than Jimmah.)
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To: mnehring

Romney appears to have CREATED fake votes and removed
other votes.

Team Romney is the MOST VICIOUS group of pseudoconservatives
that has ever existed.
They go after women, children, GOP candidates,
and all on the sly, like the DNC.

DISGUSTING, Mitt.


23 posted on 01/05/2012 6:34:06 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

Oooh,no-—leave that photo alone.

It is a classic. I was in high school when that upset occurred-——it was quite a day.


24 posted on 01/05/2012 6:34:06 PM PST by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: G Larry

The winner of the Iowa caucus straw vote is awarded no delegates.

When Iowa chooses it’s national convention delegates in the middle of June, it’s likely the candidate will be already known. If not, Party regulars will mostly support Romney, regardless of caucus straw vote outcome.


25 posted on 01/05/2012 6:38:18 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: mnehring

Hope this shows up on the Drudge Report...


26 posted on 01/05/2012 6:38:47 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Proud2BeRight

I agree, this would be a result bigger than it seems, not big in changing anything much or in the big picture, but much more annoying to the media and Romney than it might appear at first look.

Just imagine that the reversal hit one our own personal favorites, it would be annoying as heck to have to endure it.

I also think that Romney has a faint stench of loser about him which he has been covering for his entire life, in a national political race small things could eventually cement that suspicion among the general public, I think people were picking up on it in 2008.


27 posted on 01/05/2012 6:38:56 PM PST by ansel12
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To: Agamemnon

Yep, if it turned out Santorum indeed won, the story will be buried. So most people will still believe that Mitt won.


28 posted on 01/05/2012 6:40:45 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: mnehring

Breaking News:

Santorum now up 12 but Rove just found 13 more Willard votes in Branstad’s glove compartment moments ago.

Willard wins by ONE, the Iowan establishment immediately reports. : (

j/k


29 posted on 01/05/2012 6:43:35 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Bolton, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: jjotto

On Wed. RCP carried an Iowa delegate allocation, giving Mitt 13, Rick 12, and the rest 0.


30 posted on 01/05/2012 6:44:43 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: American Constitutionalist

Everyone e-mail Drudge.


31 posted on 01/05/2012 6:45:30 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Bolton, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: mnehring

Interesting!


32 posted on 01/05/2012 6:45:30 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: G Larry

RCP doesn’t know what it’s talking about.


33 posted on 01/05/2012 6:47:11 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: All

Forgive me, but if Iowa can not count accurately enough in a damned Caucus, it is no stretch to figure out that the DEMS are going to steal another election by their ability to do “creative math” in the General election.
Forgive me for being harsh...but for Christ sake, if you can not count and tally votes accurately........FIND SOMEONE WHO CAN!


34 posted on 01/05/2012 6:47:59 PM PST by MagUSNRET
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To: mnehring

I’m not surprised at all. And for bragging rights and Mitt’s cause it does matter.


35 posted on 01/05/2012 6:48:22 PM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I’m the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: CainConservative

lol


36 posted on 01/05/2012 6:51:27 PM PST by mnehring
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To: ansel12

I also think that Romney has a faint stench of loser about him which he has been covering for his entire life,

- - - -
I’ve always pictured him as the type of LDS missionary who never had any baptism’s but would brag about how many he had.


37 posted on 01/05/2012 6:51:54 PM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I’m the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: CainConservative

BTTT


38 posted on 01/05/2012 6:56:47 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: cripplecreek

It will give Rick a boost into NH and SC...


39 posted on 01/05/2012 6:57:34 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: mnehring
I noted on another thread, with no responses, that toward the end of last night Fox reported on one precinct that had "misplaced" their tally but agreed that Romney had won....
Kind'a weird.
40 posted on 01/05/2012 7:01:23 PM PST by norton
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To: mnehring
RINOBOYS
41 posted on 01/05/2012 7:02:52 PM PST by FrankR (What you resist...PERSISTS!)
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To: mnehring
The Iowa caucus does not have a strong history of picking the finale winner of the nomination. No history to rewrite.

2008 – Mike Huckabee (34%), Mitt Romney (25%), Fred Thompson (13%), John McCain (13%), Ron Paul (10%), Rudy Giuliani (4%), and Duncan Hunter (1%)

42 posted on 01/05/2012 7:02:56 PM PST by ThomasThomas (The right has common sense and the OWS folks have common scents.)
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To: mnehring

Very interesting, anyone care to bet that this was NOT just some innocent mistake?


43 posted on 01/05/2012 7:02:56 PM PST by Grunthor (Mitt better than Obama? Give me three examples.)
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To: maeng

The consequences will be none. The deal with Iowa is the headlines. The headline are lining bird cage by now.

It was a dead heat regardless, but Romney got maybe a little bump from the day after headlines. Or maybe no other candidate getting those headlines was a plus for Romney. Either way, that is done. Getting there first not accurately is what matters in the media.


44 posted on 01/05/2012 7:03:53 PM PST by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress)
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To: dfwgator

Yep, Karl Rove will probably say that losing Iowa is good news for Mitt Romney.

Bill O’Reilly will say that by winning the evangelical vote in Iowa, it proves Santorum’s views are way out of the mainstream.


45 posted on 01/05/2012 7:04:34 PM PST by o2bfree
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To: cripplecreek
As far as most of the country is concerned it was either a draw or a win for Santorum.

Really? I don't know anyone who thinks that. Santorum has a weak face/chin and he lost his senate seat in PA by 23%. He won't be the GOP candidate no matter how many people may wish for it.

46 posted on 01/05/2012 7:07:02 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: cripplecreek
As far as most of the country is concerned it was either a draw or a win for Santorum.

Really? I don't know anyone who thinks that. Santorum has a weak face/chin and he lost his senate seat in PA by 23%. He won't be the GOP candidate no matter how many people may wish for it.

47 posted on 01/05/2012 7:07:22 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: maeng

22-8.... 14 was the original number quoted by Romney’s people.


48 posted on 01/05/2012 7:07:46 PM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: JLS

It would worth it for Romney not to be able to say he won IA and NH.


49 posted on 01/05/2012 7:14:14 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: mnehring

Santorum just said there was a 20 vote mistake fro him that was magically neutralized by a 21 vote mistake for Mitt. Disgusting.


50 posted on 01/05/2012 7:16:04 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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