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Unpaid taxes: IRS report says $450 billion owed
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Posted on 01/06/2012 5:19:38 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Unpaid taxes: IRS report says $450 billion owed

WASHINGTON (AP) — People and businesses underpaid their taxes by an estimated 17 percent in the most recent year studied, meaning they failed to send the government $450 billion it was owed, according to an Internal Revenue Service report released Friday.

The study covered 2006, the most recent for which the IRS said it had data available. The amount of underpaid taxes far exceeded the size of the entire federal budget deficit at the time.

After IRS audits and other enforcement efforts, non-compliance shrank to 14 percent, leaving the final amount of unpaid taxes at $385 billion.

That is still larger than the budget deficit for fiscal 2006, which was $248 billion. Fiscal years begin in October of the previous year.

Altogether, the IRS estimates it was owed nearly $2.7 trillion in taxes in 2006.

Since then, federal deficits have mushroomed out of control, hitting a record $1.4 trillion in 2009 and barely receding to $1.3 trillion last year. President Barack Obama and Republicans in Congress have agreed to some spending cuts but have remained deadlocked over how to curb the massive budget shortfalls that are projected indefinitely.

The IRS has made efforts to improve compliance, such as increasing oversight of professional tax return preparers and increasing the information that must be reported to the agency by stock brokers, mutual fund companies and for some business transactions.

Even so, tax analysts said there was no reason to believe that today's compliance rate has changed significantly from the 2006 figures. That is chiefly because significant portions of the underpaid taxes are believed to come from businesses and individuals who report information about their income that is difficult for the IRS to verify.

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1 posted on 01/06/2012 5:19:41 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
Maybe Obama will give the IRS auditors spiffy new uniforms!


2 posted on 01/06/2012 5:23:42 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Virginia GOP: Romney's favorite butt boys)
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To: Sub-Driver

I suppose we will have to allow the government to shake each one of us upside down by the ankles to see what falls out of our pockets. That should increase “compliance”.


3 posted on 01/06/2012 5:29:27 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Worse, IRS doesn't use REAL statisticians to work up a more accurate compliance rate.

It's a kind of a game with them.

Then, there are other problems. At one point ~ kind of in answer to your question about "cost" - IRS was spending 30% of their total budget auditing personal income tax filings where EITC was claimed.

That had the prospect of "recovering" no more than $50 billion ~ which was the total cost of the EITC program.

Here's a claim about HALF A TRILLION, 10 times EITC, and they just couldn't spare the effort.

Having been deeply involved in a thorough examination of the way IRS paid postage, I actually have doubts that agency, or its bosses at Treasury Department, know what an "audit" is!

That was a totally surreal project ~ audit IRS ~ and it wasn't just that they didn't pay the correct amount, they had no one who had a clue who would know how to do that.

4 posted on 01/06/2012 5:29:52 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Sub-Driver

The IRS makes estimates the way the politicians estimated body counts during the Vietnam war.


5 posted on 01/06/2012 5:30:29 PM PST by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: Sub-Driver

What do criminals, welfare recipients, and the bureaucrats in the District of Criminals have in common?

They all feel entitled to your hard-earned money!


6 posted on 01/06/2012 5:31:40 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Pay or die!


7 posted on 01/06/2012 5:32:29 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Sub-Driver

That is about the same amount the irs has spent on their computer system that still mails a letter to collect five cents.


8 posted on 01/06/2012 5:32:58 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and nervous supporters.)
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9 posted on 01/06/2012 5:33:42 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Mark 12:14-17:

14And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?

15Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.

16And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar’s.

17And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. And they marvelled at him.

The only ones who don’t abide are the Godless ones.


10 posted on 01/06/2012 5:34:32 PM PST by NoGrayZone (Stay involved..because stupid people are running America! - Herman Cain - Amen!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

This is just more government BS like the unemployment numbers released today. If the buffoons at the IRS really want to impress Americans with their bean counting techniques, they need to RELEASE THE NAMES AND AMOUNTS OF TAXES OWED!


11 posted on 01/06/2012 5:37:39 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed!!!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver


Mayor NoSalt: "Who're they talking about, Al?"

MSDNC Host: "Resist I Much."
12 posted on 01/06/2012 5:43:21 PM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Sub-Driver

I you have any money left in a bank account or any loose change in your pocket you’ve underpaid your taxes according to Obama & his Democrat Party. Penalty: Five years in an Obama/Democrat Party gulag for you.


13 posted on 01/06/2012 5:51:12 PM PST by StormEye
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To: Sub-Driver

More stories like this will appear, giving support to further, more aggressive harrassment of working taxpayers. Meanwhile, the growing incidence of fraud from non-taxpayers (EITC fraud, “first time homebuyer” fraud, etc.), will continue to go unpunished.


14 posted on 01/06/2012 6:07:18 PM PST by denydenydeny (The more a system is all about equality in theory the more it's an aristocracy in practice.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Ask Corrizine where it is. I think the Fed Res. has it!


15 posted on 01/06/2012 6:07:35 PM PST by tired&retired
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To: Sub-Driver

-——The study covered 2006, the most recent for which the IRS said it had data available. The amount of underpaid taxes far exceeded the size of the entire federal budget deficit at the time.-——

How soon we forget that under Bush deficits were only billionc and not trillions like today

That 450 billion MUST include penalties .....


16 posted on 01/06/2012 6:08:13 PM PST by Popman (Obama is God's curse upon the land....)
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To: Sub-Driver

Is this wishful thinking when measuring the IRS demands against what tax courts actually typically do?


17 posted on 01/06/2012 6:11:15 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Sub-Driver

Good. I hope the amount doubles, then triples.


18 posted on 01/06/2012 6:13:21 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: NoGrayZone

You got to ask as well whether IRS estimates are overoptimistic about how much tax should be reaped. They may be assuming certain under the table activity out there which is far smaller than assumed if not nonexistent.


19 posted on 01/06/2012 6:13:52 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Popman

It means that that is what is owed before any deductions are taken and the amount owed is computed at the highest rate.


20 posted on 01/06/2012 6:15:46 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Sub-Driver
...heh heh heh...
21 posted on 01/06/2012 6:21:22 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Sub-Driver

How much of that is owed by people in obozo’s administration?


22 posted on 01/06/2012 6:32:20 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Forced diversity causes dissent!)
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To: rfreedom4u

I’ve read that the majority of taxes owed are by federal employees. The irs give them a pass constantly.


23 posted on 01/06/2012 6:35:08 PM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: Sub-Driver

Psssssssss....Hey, IRS. Here’s a couple of leads: Daschle
and Geithner.


24 posted on 01/06/2012 7:01:05 PM PST by jmax
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To: George from New England

Let’s not forget the companies that received stimulus funds even though they owed IRS millions of dollars......

I was reading today about SSDI (Social Security Disability Income) and if you owe the IRS and haven’t made payment arrangements, they can seize your SSDI.

But..wow, they can give away millions of our tax dollars to companies that owe millions in taxes..

It’s so messed up.....


25 posted on 01/06/2012 7:06:05 PM PST by Engedi (Hec)
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To: Sub-Driver

My kid, married last December, then filled out his taxes last year using Turbo Tax. Evidently they forgot to add in a $1400 savings bond his wife had cashed that year. Neither one of them made huge salaries, he was just out of college, she was finishing college half that year.

So a week or two ago he gets a bill from the IRS for $700 saying he underreported income, and these are the penalties/late fees and taxes accrued. There are big time non-payers and they go after a 22 year old and his 20 year old wife for 50% of what they underreported. He went to the IRS office and they can’t even figure out why it was so high. So at least they’re helping him refile, hoping the problem will be remedied. At least he had the sense to contest it.

Congresscritters and politicians owe thousands with no consequences, and they’re presenting a kid who made an honest mistake with a deadline (just 3 weeks after he received the notice) or the possibility of more penalties, etc.

Sad.


26 posted on 01/06/2012 7:09:54 PM PST by dawn53
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To: Sub-Driver

And how much is owed the SS lock box?


27 posted on 01/06/2012 7:22:23 PM PST by Randy Larsen (I'm backing Newt!)
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To: Sub-Driver

The Regime is working the thoughtspace. “It’s not a spending problem, we’re not getting the revenue we need. Hoarders, the rich and bankers, many of them Jews, are starving the government of desperately needed cash. How can we help you if they don’t pay?”

It’s Obama’s reelection playbook: We need 100% tax compliance and then everything would be OK.

Take a look at the People’s Paradise of Illinois.


28 posted on 01/06/2012 7:24:01 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Hmmm, too bad we kicked out that 9-9-9 guy who made a few suggestions on how we could have simplified our tax code.

Although I like our current conservative candidates, not sure what they’re going to do to address problems like these.


29 posted on 01/06/2012 7:39:28 PM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: Sub-Driver
yeah??? wait till next year...
30 posted on 01/06/2012 8:01:49 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: COBOL2Java

We need to go back to a sales tax. That way the gubberment gets exactly what they are supposed to. The income tax won’t go away because they need to keep government employees working to keep them voting Democratic.


31 posted on 01/06/2012 8:12:11 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: Sub-Driver

It’s all about punishment, not revenue. The audit targets are statistically likely to be political enemies that could contribute to zero’s political opponents. It doesn’t even matter if it costs 2 dollars to collect one dollar in revenue. In fact, more enforcement is a plus because it is another reason to enlarge the police state.
FUBO.


32 posted on 01/06/2012 8:57:21 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Probably most of that money isn’t actually owed. Me dad passed away a few years ago and I handled his estate. I did his taxes and he didn’t owe anything so didn’t bother to file (his only income was social security). I did file papers indicating he was deceased and also filed papers with an EIN for his estate which, by defintion, says he’s deceased, and the estate has now long been settled.

Yet, the IRS keeps sending letters to his old address saying he owes money, apparently not realizing he’s deceased, and of course they’ve never actually tried to visit this last residence. I used to open these letters but finally just throw them all away unopened. By now, based on the last letters I bothered to look at, I’m sure they’re claiming he owes hundreds of thousands of dollars of accumulated penalties and interest on an original (fallacious) estimated tax bill of a few hundred dollars several years ago.

My guess is that almost all of that 450 billion consists of a large number of completely bogus tax bills just like this one.


33 posted on 01/06/2012 9:25:24 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: dawn53
A few months ago we got a notice from the IRS that we owed a bit over $1,500.00 for a "forgiven debt". We were scratching our heads because we had never had a credit card with that bank and we had very little debt. Very little income too but that is another thing.

After at least 8 hours on the phone over a period of a week we found out it came from a identity theft that was uncovered nine years ago. The company finally had written the debt off as "noncollectable" and, of course, assigned it to hubby's SS number but sent the notification to the address the thief had given.

So the debt was not ours, (provable) and notification was not sent to our home, (provable) but the IRS still insisted that we owed the money plus penalties, late fees and such. (Jerks)

We finally sic'd the CC company on them. After all they could be in hot water because they had failed to send notification of debt forgiveness to the proper on file address something that we would be bringing up if this went to court.

A few weeks after that we got a very stiff little note saying that the incident had been investigated and no, we did not owe the money but we should be more careful with our filings in the future. Whatever bub!

34 posted on 01/06/2012 9:27:50 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: NoGrayZone

RE: The only ones who don’t abide are the Godless ones.

So, if the government says they want ALL of your money, you are godless if you don’t abide?

Those who cried : “No Taxation without Representation” in the past are now the Godless ones?


35 posted on 01/06/2012 9:39:01 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Sub-Driver

I don’t know how many of those at FR are LEGAL immigrants with some ties to your previous country.

But I do know that ONLY the USA lays claims to ANY income you have from ANY country of origin regardless of whether it is legal or not.

For instance, I know of many Asians whose parents left them a trust fund that earns interest and dividends in their home country who came to the USA to study or work ( many of those who earn their graduate degrees eventually work here and receive green cards ).

The moment they become LEGAL residents, the IRS can now LAY CLAIM to any dividends or interest from your trust fund even if the money never entered the USA. America lays claim to it BY VIRTUE of your residency here in the USA.

If you left property in India or Taiwan for instance and rented it out and the rent is deposited in your name in an Indian or Taiwan bank, that rental income MUST BE DECLARED as INCOME here in the USA for the purpose of taxation !!

I do know that most people don’t abide by these law. Technically, they are all considered tax evaders by the IRS ( AKA CRIMINALS ).

If you are a German who lives and works in the USA, your American income is NOT taxed in Germany. However, if you are an American who lives and works in Germany, your German income IS TAXABLE in America !!

I believe we are the only country in the world that does that. Are we still a free people or what?


36 posted on 01/06/2012 9:48:39 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“What do criminals, welfare recipients, and the bureaucrats in the District of Criminals have in common?

They all feel entitled to your hard-earned money!”

....and tax cheats as well


37 posted on 01/06/2012 11:29:55 PM PST by juno67 (a)
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To: SeekAndFind
No. I am speaking of the lawless ones. Like those who purchase a brand new yacht and dock it in another state to avoid paying taxes on it.
38 posted on 01/07/2012 2:34:24 AM PST by NoGrayZone (Stay involved..because stupid people are running America! - Herman Cain - Amen!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Does Corzine have to pay taxes on the 1.3 billion he stole and doesn’t know which off shore bank account he sent it to?


39 posted on 01/07/2012 2:48:35 AM PST by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: dawn53

My girlfriend’s daughter has a boyfriend who ALWAYS should have had money coming back to him (to the tune of $550 to $900)each year he worked. The damn dummy figured since had money coming back, he just wouldn’t file his taxes and there would be no repucussions. Three years ago I did his taxes and he got notification he owes over $67,000 in fines, penalties, ya da, ya da.


40 posted on 01/07/2012 2:59:03 AM PST by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: juno67

The IRS looks at everyone as a tax cheat no matter how much you pay.


41 posted on 01/07/2012 5:26:04 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: LibsRJerks

‘We’? The Dem/Media slime machine drove him out. I still don’t know the truth about all the allegations against Cain. Although, I did like his 9-9-9 plan, particularly the enterprise zones. If we don’t reengage blacks and get them off the liberal plantation they’ll stay poor, fatherless and downtrodden.


42 posted on 01/07/2012 5:32:55 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Sub-Driver
Start with Tim Geithner and Charlie Rangel.

Put them in the same cell as the Unabomber or Charles Manson.

Cheers!

43 posted on 01/07/2012 5:52:56 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Ask what the Govt owes the people, not what the people owe the government-IRS? The federal debt is how many trillion?


44 posted on 01/07/2012 6:55:10 AM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Sub-Driver

And the left’s poster boy is WARREN BUFFETT!! PAY UP WARREN, you old coot.....you big creep.


45 posted on 01/07/2012 7:00:57 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: headstamp 2

They should start by checking all the filthy rich that want taxes raised cause they don’t think they pay enough..That would be everyone in congress first then the democrats that want taxes raised, hollywood, and that guy from Hathaway (name slips my mind, also Gates has talked about raising taxes) lets do away with their loopholes and leave the rest of us alone...Kennedy love to raise taxes while they live on trust funds...the really rich don’t pay taxes, their money is sheltered...raise our taxes not theirs...is what they mean...


46 posted on 01/07/2012 7:46:13 AM PST by goat granny
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To: Sub-Driver

The other day I heard Cindy Shee(ite)han say she handn’t paid any taxes since her son died. Either she is lying about this (like she does everything else) or the IRS is giving her a pass. If the latter, can the rest of us join the club?


47 posted on 01/07/2012 8:12:31 AM PST by secondamendmentkid
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To: secondamendmentkid

I am a conscientious objector and therefore should not be asked to volunteer my earnings to projects I object.


48 posted on 01/07/2012 8:45:22 AM PST by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: Sub-Driver
Paging Timmy Geitner, Johnny Kerry and the Democratic Party!
49 posted on 01/07/2012 8:45:37 AM PST by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: Sub-Driver

I used to think that if all the small businesses and yearly filers who claim maximum deductions (owing tax at the end of the year) delayed or didn’t pay their estimated taxes and taxes, it would bring this fascist government to its knees. However, this is wrong, of course. That would only work for a law-abiding government.

Obama doesn’t care about whether we are solvent or not; he would just order the Fed to print more money and drive us further into insolvency. It is his one true goal besides subjugating us under ISLAM


50 posted on 01/07/2012 8:51:30 AM PST by Gaffer
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