Celani, Piantelli Geneva LENR Presentations

ECat News ^ | January 9, 2012 | Roy Viriglio

[Kevmo]

Celani, Piantelli Geneva LENR Presentations
January 9, 2012
Francesco Celani is a colourful and respected character in the evolving LENR scene. An experienced nuclear physicist, it was he who tried to sneek a peek at the radiation spectra during the January 2011 eCat demo before Rossi stopped him. An offer to test the eCat in order to settle the mud surrounding it was refused by the inventor who pointed out that such a move would only benefit competitors .

Celani has not been idle and recently reported success working with Ni H reactions. It appears that his efforts do not lie on a single line as he explores the field in different directions. According to reports on 22passi, he will present an interesting result during the UN WSEC sustainable energy conference in Geneva (10-12 Jan). From 22passi and translated by Google:
In these weeks our group, working with long and thin wires having the surface coated with micro-nano-particles, get re-confirmation of a phenomenon, by us, seldom observed in some previous experiments: the specific alloy used (Cu-Ni), that usually has Positive Temperature Coefficient (PTC) of the resistance, if absorbs large amount of Hydrogen, changes to Negative TC. Such phenomenon is correlated to anomalous heat production and increases as the anomalous heat increases. If such key phenomenon will be kept under full control, because its behaviour can be observed with simple instrumentation, it can be open the door to systematic work, worldwide, to find the “optimal” material and operating point .

If this result is verified, it could prove a powerful analytical tool when trying to discover the process underlying LENR. If the effect ranges over a number of materials and dopant strengths, a researcher may be able to use the switch in resistance as a marker to electronically signal when excess heat is optimal and with what mix of materials .

Compare the situation with that in 1989. Thousands of scientists around the world groped blindly for an effect as elusive as the Yeti. Now researchers understand (to an extent) why the reaction was so elusive and are able to create it at will. This is just the start. If Celani’s result holds, it could form part of a growing arsenal that will be brought to bear on the problem. With luck, we are seeing early signs of what’s to come .

Many people are angry at scientists, forgetting that it is they who will eventually take the ragged toddler that is LENR and push him to maturity .

Roy Virgilio also reports that Piantelli, the scientist many think is hot on the heels of Rossi, will also present something new and worthy .

The following tease was also posted by Roy (he has been reliable in the past). Translated by Google:
WSEC 2012, cold fusion becomes mainstream science! And ‘with great pleasure that we point out an extremely important international event to be held at the UN in Geneva 10 to 12 January 2012 and promises to change that finally and definitively the future of so-called “Cold Fusion”. ‘s “International Sustainable Energy Organisation” (ISEO) UN organization, is preparing an international conference on sustainable energy that will be also emphasized on LENR studies and the results achieved in recent years. In fact it is un’ufficializzazione of this technology in front of politicians, organizations and companies around the world. Fortunately for us, and in recognition of the tremendous work carried out in recent years in our country, indeed the forefront of this sector, our speaker will be done by Francesco Celani INFN Frascati. I am attaching the final abstract of the speech Celan (which will have a plenary session of about 15 minutes worldwide and two hours in workgroups of scientists) and the agenda of the day (Celani and LERNA be found in Group III). Good read …. and that is the right time that the subject of cold fusion and funded as it should be reassessed to arrive in our homes as soon as possible. The world could change for the better. Roy
Exciting times .

[With thanks to Ivan Mohorovicic]

[Kevmo]

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Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:

1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,

2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,

3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos

4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,

5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,

6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,

7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,

8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan

9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]

10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out

then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.

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[count-your-change]

Millions of the cold fusion water heaters are set to roll the assembly lines this year so how they work doesn’t really matter anymore, it’s full (low pressure)steam ahead and hot water to all!

But then again, not likely.

[Johnny B.]

Interesting Celani comment about Rossi and Defkalion, posted HERE:

As far as recent claims of very large excess power using “micro-nano-sized Nickel” interacting with H2 at high pressure and temperatures are concerned, coming from groups operating in Italy and Greece, we have to underline that both groups refused (because, according to them, patents/business constrains), up to now, independent tests of their apparatus: then, we cannot give scientific credit, as to-day, to their work. BTW, on November 2011, F. Celani asked to the Italian A. Rossi, through a widespread science magazine (Focus), to validate one of his 10kW's device. Even the public “persuasion” of the Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson was not enough to get such device for scientific, fully independent, tests.

Based on this, Celani is distancing himself from Rossi and Defkalion. Pretty odd position to take, if he believed Rossi's grandiose claims.

[Johnny B.]

Reasons to doubt Rossi

• Still no independent confirmation that the E-Cat does anything useful from any known, credible company, university or other organization.
• Still no independent confirmation that Rossi has any customers.
• In spite of Rossi's claims to have sold his house to pay for it, and in spite of the millions of dollars in alleged sales of his E-Cats, Rossi has still not paid anything to the University of Bologna for testing as he had promised. (LINK)
• No one has found a single record indicating that Rossi's "secret NATO Colonel" really exists.
• Every public demo of the E-Cat was tightly controlled by Rossi, and they all had significant flaws that prevented an honest and full evaluation of his claims.
• NASA investigated Rossi's E-Cat, and determined that Rossi had failed to prove his claim of producing excess energy. (LINK)
• In spite of a coordinated attempt to claim an association with the University of Bologna, there was no such association. (Italian, English)
• The only bit of physical evidence, the "samples" of his "secret" Nickle-based fuel, contradict everything Rossi and his associates have claimed about the process they claim to be occurring in the E-Cat. (LINK, LINK, LINK and LINK)
• NEW:  LENR/Cold Fusion researcher, Sven Kullander, promised to have a "detailed isotopic analysis" of the "fuel" and "ash" supposedly transmuted in Rossi's gadget by Christmas.  We're still waiting. (LINK)
• Rossi's "Journal of Nuclear Physics" is nothing more than a blog, stealing the name of a now-defunct legitimate journal.
• Rossi has partnered up with a man (Sterling D. Allan) who has a long history of supporting energy scams. (Too many links to include: just Google "Sterling Allan scam")
• Rossi's European partner supposedly is selling a "genuine" perpetual motion machine. (LINK)
• Rossi's company and AmpEnergo, the company that supposedly bought the American distribution rights for his E-Cat, have been operating out of the same rental office for the last several years, making it unclear that they are really separate companies at all. (LINK)

And, the biggest reason to doubt Rossi:

• Rossi has a extensive history of racketeering and fraud in Italy. (LINK) (NEW: Documentary about Rossi and his E-Cat HERE. The relevant part about his earlier criminal activities start at 12:00)

[Johnny B.]

Kevmo, notice that my list keeps getting longer, and I haven't had to remove anything from the list. That's not what should be happening if Rossi were legit.

Since you're such a Rossi fanboy (which is obvious from your repeating comment with each of your posts), maybe you can provide me to a link to the Isotope analysis that Kullander promised by Christmas. (LINK)

Since this would be the first actual piece of evidence (as opposed to dog & pony shows that prove nothing), it would go a long way towards either proving or disproving Rossi's claims.

Why haven't they released it, even though they promised to do so?

[Johnny B.]

Speaking of non-Rossi Cold Fusion, How is Aussie Guy doing? (LINK)

Funny how noisy he was when he was promising to "prove" Cold Fusion (using little 1-Watt gadgets, because Rossi wouldn't sell him an E-Cat), and how silent he is now that he is in a position to actually prove/disprove Cold Fusion.

Just what I've come to expect from the typical Cold Fusion enthusiast.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Based on this, Celani is distancing himself from Rossi and Defkalion. Pretty odd position to take, if he believed Rossi's grandiose claims."

Only in your imagination. This is no different from what he (and Levi, and Kullander, and Essen, and even me) has said all along. Scientific validation requires independent replication by second and third parties.

Not that that matters to the psycho-skeptic crowd, of course. To them, NO proof will ever be acceptable. No matter how many times the effect is replicated, they will refuse to believe it, and either call it fraud or incompetence. Kinda like you and a few others on these threads.

[Wonder Warthog]

Oh, put a cork in it. Your constant repetition is tiring.

"Kevmo, notice that my list keeps getting longer, and I haven't had to remove anything from the list. That's not what should be happening if Rossi were legit."

Linking to the same information at multiple different sites doesn't constitute increasing proof.

[Johnny B.]

Linking to the same information at multiple different sites doesn't constitute increasing proof.

I only post my list in response to Kevmo's tiresome, constant repetition of his "Unfortunately, if Rossi did..." screed.

If you want me to stop, get Kevmo to stop posting his sad, desperate defense of Rossi's fraud.

[ZX12R]

Oh, put a cork in it. Your constant repetition is tiring.

That's pretty rich. You, a cold fusion sycophant, who keeps posting these retarded articles from mystery websites for fringies, deriding someone for repetition?

[Johnny B.]

To them, NO proof will ever be acceptable.

Well, since Rossi has provided NO proof, then they should believe Rossi.

[Johnny B.]

Not that that matters to the psycho-skeptic crowd, of course. To them, NO proof will ever be acceptable. No matter how many times the effect is replicated, they will refuse to believe it, and either call it fraud or incompetence. Kinda like you and a few others on these threads.

Since Celani has, both in your earlier post and in this slideshow, excluded Rossi and Defkalion from his presentation of evidence of Cold Fusion, I guess that makes Celani part of the "psycho-skeptic crowd".

[Johnny B.]

By the way, where is Kullander's analysis of the "fuel" and "ash" from Rossi's gadget? It was supposed to be available by Christmas, and would have gone a long way toward proving or disproving Rossi's claims. (LINK)

I'm sure that, if it vindicated Rossi, it would be plastered all over the hundreds of Rossi fanboy web sites.

The silence is deafening.

[Johnny B.]

[ZX12R]

Home Depot? LOL! They will sell at least two, to you know who.

[Lx]

In these weeks our group, working with long and thin wires having the surface coated with micro-nano-particles, get re-confirmation of a phenomenon, by us, seldom observed in some previous experiments: the specific alloy used (Cu-Ni), that usually has Positive Temperature Coefficient (PTC) of the resistance, if absorbs large amount of Hydrogen, changes to Negative TC. Such phenomenon is correlated to anomalous heat production and increases as the anomalous heat increases.

In all the reading I've been doing on this lately, I remember a researcher was having promising results using this method but abandoned it because he couldn't get funding to continue his research because a department head didn't think it was worth pursuing.

I can't say for sure that it was Celani though. I understand the fight for funding and I also understand that maybe they didn't want to have the term CF associated with their institution but they should have had a neutral (yeah right, as long as the observer wasn't fighting for the same pool of funding) observer with the same type of knowledge base review his work before he had to pull the plug although after what happened to Taleyarkhan I can see them being cautious but throwing away a lead like that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

What happened to Aussie Guy? He had two of the P&F type cells supposedly working (1 watt ea.). He had received them from Japan so that's at least three different types of LENR technology. Something is happening but what?

It seems we're all in a holding pattern on Rossi. It sure would be nice if he would put all these questions to bed.

[Johnny B.]

What happened to Aussie Guy? He had two of the P&F type cells supposedly working (1 watt ea.). He had received them from Japan so that's at least three different types of LENR technology. Something is happening but what?

Kevmo's posting was wrong about Aussie Guy having "working" PFE cells. He claimed that he had arranged the loan of some cells, and that the supplier was going to work with a local University to get them working.

Although Aussie Guy is still posting regularly on the Vortex mailing list, he has been totally silent about his PFE cells lately.

You can draw your own conclusions about why he has stopped talking about it.

[Johnny B.]

What happened to Aussie Guy?

FYI, HERE is the original post about acquiring his 1-Watt PFE cells. HERE is the follow up post about working with a local University, with a comment that he would go public when they made the cells operational.

[Lx]

I followed a bunch of links WW had and besides showing the horrible treatment (and promising work) of Taleyarkhan, it also had something on this 'exploding wire' technique and they were seeing something. Now I can't find it.

WW, do you remember if these were the guys?

I've read more on LENR in the last week than I have all last year. From what I've read, it appears science is playing catch up on this and the ones that can't explain it just brush it off but brush off or whatever, they still can't explain it.

Removing Rossi from the equation and looking at the research is a much better method since we've all seen what Rossi is and has.

Talk about timing, being a physics grad student at this time, that would be awesome.

This is the link WW gave me. It is worth the read while we wait for Rossi.