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Live Thread: Obama On Television Asking for Sweeping Authority For Executive Branch
Fox and All media outlets | January 13, 2012 | truthkeeper

Posted on 01/13/2012 8:50:24 AM PST by truthkeeper

I am trying to work and listen at the same time, but is anybody else hearing this??

Obama is asking Congress to reinstate his Executive authority to streamline six agencies into one, so he could "help businesses grow, save businesses time, save businesses money."

He's making it sound like the best thing since sliced bread. News media is eating it up.

"Reform and remake our government so that it works. This should not be a partisan issue."

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To: Maryhere

If Obama wants to streamline, how about he gets rid of his unconstitutional czars?

Or how about his wife have the same amount of staff as other FLOTUS’s have had?

101 posted on 01/13/2012 1:03:37 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Maryhere

—The government desperately needs streamlining, made smaller and pruned to the quick;however, this process must not be done by the socialist President we have now.—

Don’t worry. It won’t be.


102 posted on 01/13/2012 1:05:17 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Prince of Space

Amen sister, Amen!

103 posted on 01/13/2012 1:10:43 PM PST by RetiredArmy (The End of Days draws near. In this time, you should be drawing closer to the Lord Jesus Christ.)
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To: manc

“IMHO why have a war?
I would lose no sleep what so ever if the north east and the west coast went on their merry way and they can have bozo, Romney , illegals , homosexuals, cross dressers, etc”

A simple explanation of why that won’t happen:

Those who represent “the traditional America” would be quite content to peacefully separate themselves from the left (and those portions of America that will forever “remain left”), re-segregate themselves into a new conservative nation (or perhaps more than one nation), and to “go their own way”. To the left, conservatives would say, “we’ll live our way and leave you alone, if you’ll do the same towards us”. Sounds rational enough, eh?

It is the liberals and the left that will NEVER agree to or allow this to happen. So long as they have a measure of control over the nation’s institutions, law enforcement and military, they will use the full force of that institutional power (including police, paramilitary, and full military power) to prevent it and to compel conservatives to live under the hell they have created for us.

There may or may not be a “second separation” coming in America’s future. I am not advocating one with this reply. But one thing is clear to me: that if that separation does come, it won’t be a peaceful one.

Just like the first one....

104 posted on 01/13/2012 1:20:09 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: butterdezillion

All we need is the Night of the Long Knives and Obama would have in his mind the start of his power. He is dillusional and fails to understand that the US is not in the same position as Germany was when Hiter took over.

105 posted on 01/13/2012 2:17:09 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: truthkeeper

So why isn’t someone on our side holding a press onference stating that no, we will not give this incompetent Marxist unchecked power? He has done enough damage already and we need to get him out of power - not give him more.

106 posted on 01/13/2012 2:24:01 PM PST by plain talk
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To: truthkeeper
Department of Commerce

Mission Statement

The U.S. Department of Commerce promotes job creation, economic growth, sustainable development and improved standards of living for all Americans by working in partnership with businesses, universities, communities and our nation’s workers....with a wide range of responsibilities in the areas of trade, economic development, technology, entrepreneurship and business development, environmental stewardship, and statistical research and analysis.

.... the Commerce Department works to strengthen the international economic position of the United States and facilitates global trade by opening up new markets for U.S. goods and services....

Cutting-edge science and technology at the department fosters innovation, and a focus on research and development that moves quickly from the lab to the marketplace ....

The Commerce Department is singularly focused on making U.S. companies more innovative at home and more competitive abroad, so they can create jobs.

The Commerce Department also provides....critical weather monitoring, weather forecasts and resource preservation, protects not only public safety and security but also our oceans, coasts and marine life while assisting their economic development.

Other essential operations conducted by the Commerce Department include the constitutionally mandated decennial census, which serves as the basis of America’s representative democracy.

The Secretary of Commerce leads the department’s efforts, overseeing a $7.5 billion budget and nearly 47,000 employees worldwide.

107 posted on 01/13/2012 2:43:41 PM PST by Rapscallion (Beware that we do not allow a Gestapo to form and call it Homeland Security.)
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To: Road Glide

agree with every word of that and thank you for a good , well written post.

108 posted on 01/13/2012 2:48:14 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
I dont see Obama has having the characteristics that Stalin, Castro, Mao, Che Guevara, Hilter, Franco, Tito, Mussolini, Ceaușescu or Tojo had that made them want to have unlimited power. It often seems like he is struggling with the level of power he does have. To be sure, he is interested in making many decisions without going through the procedures he is suppsoed to, and of course we can never be sure he wont abuse the power he does have. But honestly, at times I seem him as someone who would rather be a figurehead, more like the Royal Family of England than the Soviets. That is not to say for a microsecond that he cant, and hasnt already, damaged the US down to its core with the authority he does have.
109 posted on 01/13/2012 3:00:43 PM PST by emax
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To: An.American.Expatriate
Reagan was given this in the 80’s and Obama wants it now ...

Not quite. Presidents had this ability for 50+ years, through Reagan's first term. Then the Dems took it away from him in '84, and no president has had the power since. And this president should not be given this power, either. He is too irresponsible (or insert your favored descriptive term here).

110 posted on 01/13/2012 3:09:34 PM PST by Major Matt Mason (The Chicago Way isn't the American Way.)
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Slap those Dems!

111 posted on 01/13/2012 3:14:13 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Are you sure that’s not Joseph Smith? He’s doing it to the Romulans too.

112 posted on 01/13/2012 3:24:28 PM PST by publius321
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To: cuban leaf

If Obama announced the suspension of elections, the White House would be surrounded by tanks in 5 minutes.

113 posted on 01/13/2012 3:27:01 PM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: truthkeeper; All

It’s consistent with liberal thinking that consolidating anything government including the federal government itself - into bigger government- makes things more efficient.

It’s absurd of course, as we all know. It’s even absurd with businesses most of the time as we can see the historical cycle of conglomerates absorbing businesses left and right. Then they get into trouble as they are unmanageable, then we see spin-offs years later - AFTER- the new CEO is bought in like Meg Whitman, Louis Gerstner back in the 90’s at IBM...

Investors in the smaller companies often love it because they get a quick “pop” on their investment. Wall Street loves it as M&A generates investment banking fees and fuels a frenzy of more M&A...

I believe in the unfettered right for companies to merge if they want and detest the nonsense of requiring gov approval for them. Yet very few of these consolidations work out in the long term.

Of course this is MORE TRUE when you’re talking government agencies run by bureaucrats.

You will hear this verbatim in a few days from the pundits on Fox.

Scott Ryan

114 posted on 01/13/2012 3:36:35 PM PST by publius321
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To: publius321

He’s cutting all the good stuff — the institutions supporting the Rule of Law.

115 posted on 01/13/2012 4:36:35 PM PST by 4Liberty (88% of Americans are NON-UNION. We value honest, peaceful Free trade-NOT protectionist CARTELS)
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To: emax

Remember what William Ayers said. 25 million killed would be exceptable number for the revolution to work.. And he was Obamas mentor. Just saying.

116 posted on 01/13/2012 4:46:00 PM PST by crazydad
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To: 1010RD

117 posted on 01/13/2012 5:52:38 PM PST by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: butterdezillion

118 posted on 01/13/2012 6:07:48 PM PST by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: cuban leaf

“Yes, the constitution is very specific. It is also very specific about eligibility, but, there he is...”

You took the words right out of my mouth.

119 posted on 01/13/2012 7:19:19 PM PST by jivin gene (Breakin' up is hard to do)
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To: RasterMaster
I just got that book yesterday.

You have to hear it the way the average Joe is hearing it. O is making it sound as though this is his way of cutting government. The average person believes this.

120 posted on 01/14/2012 6:04:46 AM PST by riri
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To: cuban leaf
My God! This sounds very much like a Hitler moment!

Although I'm tempted to invoke Godwin's Law, I believe you are correct. Also, didn't Hitler go over the edge of "Freaking Nuts" there towards the end of the war trying to hold on to what little power he had? Well, it looks like the Obamanation is about to repeat that.

121 posted on 01/14/2012 6:05:00 AM PST by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: manc

Because the war won’t be about one vast geographic region seceding from another, it will be about neighbor vs. neighbor.

122 posted on 01/14/2012 6:11:41 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals:
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To: RasterMaster

That would be a fascinating book to read. I’m going to check into that. Thank you!

“What We Knew” by Eric A Johnson and Karl-Heinz Reuband

123 posted on 01/14/2012 7:40:35 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: emax

Obama is just the puppet everybody sees. What he really wants to do is play basketball and golf and eat at fancy restaurants with his wife.

What we need to look at is what his HANDLERS want - and it seems apparent to me that his handlers are an alliance of communists and Islamists. Both of which want absolute power.

124 posted on 01/14/2012 7:45:45 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Jim Noble

Our tanks are in Afghanistan, and our military leadership has shown a willingness to even say that lawful authorization for combat orders is “irrelevant” to the lawfulness of those orders.

If the military ever steps up to save the Republic from Obama it will be rogue elements within the military - not the military establishment.

I’ve been reading up on Hitler’s rise to power. In order to go past the rank-and-file military at the start of his power grab he raised up the SA to do his take-over thug-work for him, and then later to get the rank-and-file to support him he betrayed the SA on the Night of the Long Knives (executing Rohm, for instance) only to replace them with the SS which was fully under his control.

I think the German template has to be understood because we see so many parallels. And back when Lt Col Lakin was being court-martialed I said that if the military claimed power independent of the Authorization to Use Force (which stipulates that only the Commander-in-Chief has the authority to decide to use force in the war on terror), it would mean that the law is “irrelevant” to the lawfulness of orders. It would separate the military from the law, and the military would be lawless - ruled merely by men and not by any semblance of law.

We are in very, very serious times.

To see what happens to those within the military who resist the will of an entrenched dictator, see “Valkyrie”.

I see a dictator as similar to a computer trojan. The pop-up pretending to be McAfee says your computer is infected and you must click on the “Fix” box. Once you make the mistake of clicking the box, the trojan has complete control to make your computer do whatever it wants and you have no way of knowing what it’s doing or stopping it. From that point on you can’t trust anything. That’s exactly what happened with Hitler. Once his cabinet was lawfully given permission to legislate without the Reichstag, Hitler had the power to lawfully do whatever he wanted, and he took over all the systems.

The point at which to stop a trojan or a dictator is when they are seeking the authorizations - which is always made to look like a small but necessary thing in order to effectively respond to a current problem. We see Obama making those moves right now. And we’ve already seen that the military leadership has no will to resist his lawlessness.

And why should they? It is he who put them in the positions of power, just like he put into power the US Attorneys (such as the AZ US attorney who is guilty of trying to cover up Fast and Furious’ lawless war on Mexico and the US), AG Holder, DHS head Napolitano, SCOTUS injustices Sotomayor and Kagan, etc. The election of November 2008 gave him the power to totally take over the execution branch of the government. He gets to put whatever .exe files he wants into this system, and we’ve seen the crap he puts in and how they take over everything.

He didn’t need an “Enabling Act of 1933” in order to sidestep Congress; he simply appointed “czars”. And now he’s on this big kick of saying he will do what he wants, with or without Congress, so he’s blatantly defying the Constitution without fear - because he knows Congress only has the power to impeach and the Senate stooges will never convict him.

If anybody in Congress tries suing him, Obama already knows he has the courts by the jugular, as evidenced by even the “conservative” justices (I believe Chief Justice John Roberts) being willing to pretend that a usurper in the White House isn’t a serious enough issue to warrant a hearing.

To be truthful, at this point I believe Congress has to reclaim its own sole authority to decide to use military force. That’s the only way to keep Obama from using the military to complete his own coup. The Libya escapade might well have been Obama’s testing of the waters, to see how far Congress was willing to let him go. They failed that test so now Obama knows he can do whatever he darn well pleases with the military.

125 posted on 01/14/2012 8:14:05 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: riri

I have a copy on the way - I put it on my wish list when I heard about it on GBTV.

A few weeks back Glenn had someone on who was talking about how the Nazis walled off the Jews “for their protection”. I’m going to see if I can find the video for was quite informative how they lied to the people to get them to load themselves up like cattle to “evacuate” their homes. By the time they realized they were lied to, the Nazis were marching them into the death camps.

Several months ago, Glenn also discussed a propaganda film that Hitler had made (”Hitler gives a town to the Jews”).

DUh-bama’s moves are eerily similar...and “average Joe” needs to OPEN THEIR EYES!

126 posted on 01/14/2012 12:01:31 PM PST by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: butterdezillion
From the description, the book dispells the myth that the German people didn't know about what the Nazi regime was doing to their fellow citizens.

I'm just getting started on another book...

In the Garden of Beasts: Love, Terror, and an American Family in Hitler's Berlin by Erik Larson

127 posted on 01/14/2012 12:17:30 PM PST by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: FReepers

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128 posted on 01/14/2012 2:14:54 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: RasterMaster

Yes, that is exactly where I heard of the book also.

129 posted on 01/14/2012 4:08:02 PM PST by riri
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To: truthkeeper
Chris Edwards of Cato Institute - Merging Wasteful Agencies Won't Shrink Government
130 posted on 01/14/2012 5:35:08 PM PST by yup2394871293
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To: truthkeeper
Cato: Cabinet Level Corporate Welfare (SBA)
131 posted on 01/14/2012 5:38:24 PM PST by yup2394871293
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To: truthkeeper

PRogressives are establishing the premise that government now doesn’t work because the Republicans won the House of Representatives and are now using their power to be “obstructionist”.

And, even though Congress had a low approval rating before the Republican majority, they’re establishing another premise that the low approval rating is because of the Republican majority.

Absolutely freaking amazing.

(Brilliant intellectual Independents + absolutely brilliant Progressives + hardcore base + phantom voters =
President Obama in 2013, 55% to 45%.)


132 posted on 01/15/2012 5:46:29 AM PST by ripley
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To: Road Glide

Exactly so. Lincoln would not let the South go in peace, and neither will Obama.

133 posted on 01/15/2012 5:06:12 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: truthkeeper

Next thing he will ask for is streamlining of the Executive Branch, Judicial Branch and the Legislative Branch!

134 posted on 01/15/2012 9:08:55 PM PST by Ancient Drive (DRINK COFFEE! - Do Stupid Things Faster with More Energy!)
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To: Jim Noble

—If Obama announced the suspension of elections, the White House would be surrounded by tanks in 5 minutes.—

Today, yes. We are not the country we were just a few months ago. We will not be the same country a few months from now that we are today. Things are changing VERY fast.

135 posted on 01/16/2012 4:25:13 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: All

Remember Zelaya and his support of his refusal to step down?

In Russia, President Obama Explains His Support for Ousted President of Honduras

(I can’t wait to see those ‘get a law degree from home’ Harvard transcripts)

His calls for Mubarak to step down?

Guess who posted this in October ‘11? Wade Rathke:

“An International Dialogue in Egypt
“September 25, 2011 to September 30, 2011
“Our fall 2011 International Dialogue will be located in Egypt where we will meet with labor and community organizers and other activists in Cairo. There are exciting changes and developments that are currently taking place in Egypt with elections coming soon to determine leadership transitions in what has been an autocratic regime, now challenged by the Muslim Brotherhood and succession and democracy issues. The trip is still in the planning stages, and we will post updates as soon as we have them.
“We plan to travel with approximately 15-20 participants, and we will strive to have a mix of both community and labor organizers/leaders from a variety of community organizations and unions. We look for participants to meet in Cairo, pay their own travel and visa costs in addition to a program fee. The Organizers Forum will pay for food, lodging, and ground transportation. And, yes, though we are only planning to spend time in one city on this dialogue, we will see the Pyramids!

“If you are interested in applying to attend this dialogue, we invite you to apply by sending an email of interest to Wade Rathke Organizers’ Forum. Please respond as early as possible and certainly no later than July 1 because there are a limited number of spaces.”

Obama Calls Ben Ali a Dictator in the last State of the Union Address, Is Egypt Next ?

Remember, Ben Ali was Obama’s buddy before that:

Side: Tunisia – Refurbishment of Twelve SH-60F Multi-Mission Helicopters

WASHINGTON, July 2, 2010 – The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress June 30 of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Tunisia for the refurbishment of 12 SH-60F Multi-Mission Utility Helicopters, being provided as Excess Defense Articles, and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $282 million.

The Government of Tunisia has requested a possible sale for the refurbishment of twelve SH-60F Multi-Mission Utility Helicopters being provided as Excess Defense Articles (grant EDA notification is being submitted separately), 29 T700-GE-401C engines (24 installed and 5 spares), inspections, spare and repairs parts, support equipment, personnel training and training equipment, publications and technical data, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $282 million.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country that has been and continues to be an important force for economic and military progress in North Africa.

I remember Susan Rice lying her *ss off about arming Libyan ‘Rebels’, not to mention we had boots on the ground way before Obama’s ‘30 day/weeks’ Libya lie.

Assad and others being asked to step down as well.

I also remember his SOTU stating the US stands with Tunisia when this all started.

I remember what he did in Libya... without congressional approval.

I remember his silence on Iran... because we shouldn’t get involved in other countries ‘business’.

Did you miss how much money has been promised to the Middle East re: the Arab spring (caliphate)?

OK, i’m finished.

136 posted on 01/16/2012 7:12:37 AM PST by AliVeritas (Pray. God's will be done. Abortion leaves two victims, the mother and the child.)
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To: All

Good Morning everyone! I don’t think it was mentioned here but last night on either Fox Biz or Fox, a gentleman said Romney ran on this in 2008. In fact we know he advocates it now. I think it is a good thing in the right hands.

Obama and dems have known for sometime Romney was the chosen one by the old guard RINO’s. So my guess is they are looking closely at all Romney speeches,legislation and politics to find those they have in common (romneycare)or come out with new gimmicks that are similar.Show that Obama and Romney are the same so why change.

Obama placing SBA to administration level cannot be good.Anti business Obama would destroy anything being done ever. He would place his two socialists, Browner and Solis in control and their goal would be a smaller economy and Agenda 21. Pelosi would head the committee for sure since Agenda 21 is her baby.

Obama also knows after his unconstitutional power grabs, he knows this will be another battle. He will be creating as many as he can this year. I can hear him now, do nothing republicans won’t give me the same power they gave Reagan.(Insert some sort of racism, maybe because I am different) How can I govern like their hero Reagan when they oppose me at every level.

And my last thing, the old guard ARE NOT doing anything and when they do it is signing onto NDAA or SOPA. We need a clean sweep with new blood that knows we will get rid of them too when they abuse their powers. It’s a new age and we are no longer in the dark with social media’s and the best researchers around to find truth.

137 posted on 01/16/2012 8:58:33 AM PST by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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I was gonna tweak that speech to make it sound like Obaama and see how many people would recognize it.


138 posted on 01/16/2012 9:35:07 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Nuts! I wa sjust too tired when I posted that to do the same but I did think to do it. It is sooooo spooky the similarities.

139 posted on 01/16/2012 9:48:48 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Bizhvywt

One year ago, almost to the exact DATE!

Timely **bump***

140 posted on 01/15/2013 10:20:17 AM PST by trillabodilla (Jesus Saves)
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