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Poll: Republicans in Congress at risk (The establishment is destroying the party)
The Hill ^ | January 13th

Posted on 01/15/2012 5:12:43 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing

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To: wardaddy
has killed our enthusiasm

As well as killing a lot of Republican senators and congressmen in 2006.

61 posted on 01/15/2012 8:34:32 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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62 posted on 01/15/2012 8:36:01 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; ...
RE :”Democrats have taken the lead in a generic congressional ballot for the first time since being washed out of office by Republicans in the 2010 election, according to a Democracy Corps survey released Friday.

Yes this is real
In 2010 I kept asking, are you sure you want Republicans to take the house from Pelosi? She is the lightning rod now. Do you want to lose that? The answer was always 'yes'. In fact many posts here in 2010 were saying that Obama would easily lose 2012 and may not even run. Well, welcome to reality.

Republicans won and took power without a real plan and without real leadership and they ignored the fact that bad economic times mean that voters want the Federal government to do something for them, or look like they are trying.

So as Obama put on the “Alls I want is jobs and what's good for the American people” act., Republicans acted like 2011 (the wasted year) was still 2010 and Pelosi was still in charge,

Here is a clue Republicans in congress : explain why you are better than Democrats AND SHOW THEM. Don't just assume you will win automatically.

63 posted on 01/15/2012 8:54:11 PM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: Fee
[Not according to Rasmussen who has been keeping good pulse on this issue. GOP is leading by 5 or 6 pts.]

Correct. Democracy Corps is run by James Carville and funded by George Soros. It is a disinformation outfit.

64 posted on 01/15/2012 8:58:05 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Iron Munro

” The two year long campaign season is taking a toll. “

There are those so mad that there is now an audible, defiant intention to vote for Ron Paul, as a protest to the cram down procedure being orchestrated—the Romney procedure. I have heard that from TWO people this weekend, which makes me wonder who all will do the same, but aren’t going to be caught dead saying so. Hmmmmmm.


65 posted on 01/15/2012 9:00:27 PM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. NEWT 2012/ Ron Paul is already Third Party, inside OUR Party.)
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To: Antoninus

“.....if the Stupid Party establishment can’t get Romney, they’ll be happy with another 4 years of Obama. Anything but an actual conservative. That’s what’s going on here. “ <<<

POST OF THE DAY. And so simply said, as the fact it is.

Boehner, McConnel and that House Whip guy-what’shisname- simply want entrenched power, and they will take it in any size, shape or form, even under the “new” socialist/Marxist regime. None have uttered a convincing conservative word about anything, EVER. Conservatives are held with contempt, as Rush has said.


66 posted on 01/15/2012 9:13:21 PM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. NEWT 2012/ Ron Paul is already Third Party, inside OUR Party.)
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To: FastCoyote

” I have resisted the calls for a third party in the past, but I am right on the edge now. “ <<<

No need to resist. Paul IS running Third Party. He’s just running it inside the Republican Party.


67 posted on 01/15/2012 9:16:14 PM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. NEWT 2012/ Ron Paul is already Third Party, inside OUR Party.)
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To: RitaOK
There are those so mad that there is now an audible, defiant intention to vote for Ron Paul, as a protest to the cram down procedure being orchestrated—the Romney procedure. I have heard that from TWO people this weekend, which makes me wonder who all will do the same, but aren’t going to be caught dead saying so. Hmmmmmm.

I am close to that point, myself. And I'm not shy about saying so. Romney will never get my vote. If he's the nominee, I'm going rogue.
68 posted on 01/15/2012 9:25:16 PM PST by Antoninus (Mitt Romney -- attempting to execute a hostile take-over of the Republican Party.)
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To: rbg81; Halfmanhalfamazing
Frankly, I think the American electorate is part of the problem. People say they want action on the deficit, but when you actually get down to the specifics, they punish the people trying to solve it.

Wrong.

Ya miss the big picture.

Only those connected to government or benefit off the "business as usual government", don't want change. They have a rather large conflict of interest here and there are millions of them.

I can assure you, the majority of private sector, middle class America want's big change.

69 posted on 01/15/2012 10:08:24 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: sickoflibs; AuH2ORepublican; randita; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; Clintonfatigued; GOPsterinMA

For the first time? There have been several polls that have showed the rats in the lead on the generic ballot over the past year. I never thought it mattered much. At least not unless it’s some kind of huge lead. We have 435 separate races. In 1996 the democrats managed to win the overall popular vote for the House but Republicans took 228 seats. And I don’t think Republicans ever lead the generic polls in 1994, might be wrong.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/generic_congressional_vote-2170.html#polls

Remember in 2010 we (or they) didn’t win a lot of democratic seats, we took back Republican-leaning seats lost to fake moderate/conservative democrats in 2006 and 2008 and won a few other conservative seats that were long democrat held. I don’t see those seats reverting. Maybe in a horrible RINO President’s midterm election but not now.

The district boundaries favor a GOP majority. In my opinion the only way the democrats win the House is a big Obama win with sufficient coattails.

I think the GOP will end up with both Houses even if he wins. In fact I put Obama’s own odds of winning much higher than Reid and Pelosi’s.

There are a lot of 1948 parallels with this race but I don’t think democrats storming back into the Congressional majority will be one of them.

I agree though, we talked about this last week, you being correct and your opponents being scum is not enough to win, you have to win in the trenches.


70 posted on 01/15/2012 10:35:38 PM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

From a January 18, 2010 Democracy Corps poll:


The deterioration of Democrat House candidates showed up clearly in Democracy Corps’ generic congressional ballot question. Likely voters favored the Democrat candidate by a margin of 47 percent to 43 percent in August. Now the generic Democrat trails by 46 percent to 45 percent. Those figures are consistent with results in other recent surveys. According the Real Clear Politics average, Republican congressional candidates have an edge of about 2 percent in current polling.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/01/18/carville-poll-only-13-of-voters-support-barack-obamas-national-health-care-plan/#ixzz1jbKGeXqX



71 posted on 01/15/2012 10:56:03 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I've been saying since 2008 that the establishment would rather see progressives get elected than conservatives, and here it is. Romney is their guy, and they'll do whatever it takes to get him nominated, they'll smear anybody they can.

What would be your reaction if Santorum or Gingrich were nominated and Obama cleaned his clock anyway?

72 posted on 01/15/2012 10:58:02 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I am Catholic, and if none of my choices are 100% ProLife, I have no obligation to vote and, hence, you will not find my vote on any list for Romney nor Obama nor Paul. I pray Santorum wins this nomination...if God gets enough prayer He will intercede here...if not, we deserve destruction.
73 posted on 01/16/2012 3:04:16 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
The Rove-Romney-RINO-GOP ONLY cares about Romney.
Did it matter the SAME CROWD threw the Election in 2008?

Not so far. But it will. WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY
or ANY PARTY THAT PICKS HIM.

Let us remember that the SAME Team Romney and RNME attacked
Gov. Palin on the EVE of Election 2008 to throw the election.

FLASHBACK:

The McCain/Palin ticket was up ++4 to 10 pts
in some polls, days prior to Election 2008.
So rather than helping the GOP, Romney and
TeamROMNEY and the RNME (Republican National Media Establishment)
decided …to attack Gov. Palin to throw Election2008.

Romney, and the Van der Sloot RNME RINOs for Obama in 2008

Late in October, The American Spectator's The Prowler revealed:
"Former Mitt Romney presidential campaign staffers…
have been involved in spreading anti-Palin spin to reporters, seeking to diminish her standing after the election.
'Sarah Palin is a lightweight, she won't be the first, not even the third, person people will think of when it comes to 2012,'
says one former Romney aide…
'The only serious candidate ready to challenge to lead the Republican Party is Mitt Romney.
"Some former Romney aides were behind the recent leaks to media, including CNN, that Governor Sarah Palin was a 'diva' and was going off message intentionally."


The Palmetto Scoop reported: "One of the first stories to hit the national airwaves was
the claim of a major internal strife between close McCain aides and the folks handling his running mate Sarah Palin."
"I’m told by very good sources that this was indeed the case and that a rift had developed, but it was between Palin’s people and the staffers brought on from the failed presidential campaign of former Gov. Mitt Romney, not McCain aides."
"The sources said nearly 80 percent of Romney’s former staff was absorbed by McCain and these individuals were responsible for what amounts to a premeditated, last-minute sabotage of Palin."
… aides loyal to Romney inside the McCain campaign, said The Scoop, reportedly saw
that Palin would be a serious contender for the Republican nomination in 2012 or 2016, which made her a threat to another presidential quest by Romney.


"These staffers are now out trying to finish her off ….hoping it would ingratiate themselves with Mitt Romney."


"Who's the Palin Leaker from the McCain Campaign?
National Review Online The publication of a Vanity Fair profile of Sarah Palin
appears to have opened old wounds in the McCain campaign.
... the source of the “Diva” leak was Nicolle Wallace’s husband."


"Peeking Out From the McCain Wreckage: Mitt Romney"

"Someone's got to say it: IS MITT ROMNEY RESPONSIBLE FOR OBAMA'S VICTORY?"

"Vanity: Team Romney Sabotaged Palin and Continuing to Do So?"

"Romney Supporters Trashing Palin"

"Romney advisors sniping at Palin?"



74 posted on 01/16/2012 4:05:01 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: dragnet2

Wrong. Ya miss the big picture.


Actually, I think its you who is missing the big (bigger?) picture.

About half of American households these daze receieve some type of Government benefits. [I have to count myself among them as I’m retired military.] Beyond that, a lot of others are sypathetic to big Government entitlement spending, especially Union and women folk.

As for me, I’m reconciled to the fact that my military retirement benefits will slowly wither away. Its already happening to our healthcare benefit. But I’ve done well enough professionally/financially that I can withstand it. Even so, it burns me too see the Government extending (expanding) benefits to those who have done zero (or less) for this country see while military retirees (veterans) get screwed. I’m especially talking about illegals. Why? Because there are a lot of them and only a relative few of us.


75 posted on 01/16/2012 5:23:00 AM PST by rbg81
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Welcome to the United Soviet States of America..where the Pravda State Media “vet” the candidates to the pleasure and needs of the RinoCrat UniParty.

This “election” will be a non-election...featuring the state approved “candidates”-whose only distinction is whether they are black or white.


76 posted on 01/16/2012 5:25:23 AM PST by mo
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To: Smnz

You said:

=============WHO are they? NAME THEM!!==============

There are thousands of them, but here are a few of their names:

William Kristol
Charlie Black
John Feehery
Scott Reed
Vin Weber

I get these names from this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2792217/posts

And don’t forget one more name:

Karl Rove

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2622377/posts

Look at his snarky comment regarding tea partiers reading the road to serfdom.

As far as politicians go, you’ve got the bush’s, mccain, lindsey graham, romney, huntsman, boehner, mcconnell.... the best one is trent lott, who said this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2596173/posts
http://lonelyconservative.com/2010/07/ill-take-a-jim-demint-disciple-over-a-trent-lott-disciple-any-day/

“We don’t need a lot of Jim DeMint disciples,” Lott said in an interview. “As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt them.”

It kind of goes without being said that Jim Demint is *NOT* a member of the establishment. The republicans hate Demint’s guts, and they’d piss on him like those marines did to that taliban fighter.


77 posted on 01/16/2012 5:27:04 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Zhang Fei

-————————What would be your reaction if Santorum or Gingrich were nominated and Obama cleaned his clock anyway?-——————

I believe that’s a strong possibility, as I eluded to at post 1. If the establishment loses and Romney is not the candidate, the republicans *WILL* help the media defeat the conservative. It’s in their blood.


78 posted on 01/16/2012 5:30:46 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Impy; AuH2ORepublican; randita; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; Clintonfatigued; GOPsterinMA; ...
RE :”I think the GOP will end up with both Houses even if he wins. In fact I put Obama’s own odds of winning much higher than Reid and Pelosi’s. There are a lot of 1948 parallels with this race but I don’t think democrats storming back into the Congressional majority will be one of them.

How about Boehner loses some seats but still keeps a slim majority and McConnell picks up a slight un-governable majority in the Senate like Democrats have now? Then Republicans look like they own congress but still can't get anything done. If Obama wins re-election that is perfect for him, as with Clinton after 1994. If a Republican beats Obama it could be like Bush presidency with him feeling forced to compromise to get anything done to get re-elected.

Congressional Republicans should have been looking ahead to past the election, like a plan for "How can we look good to voters and make Obama look bad". Instead obama appears to be the only one playing that game. I remember one post here ~ year ago where one new House Republican said he didn't care if he won re-election. Now that should be obvious to everyone how shortsighted that thinking was.

79 posted on 01/16/2012 5:31:26 AM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

That’s why when the establishment RINO orgs call for donations, I tell them to pound sand.


80 posted on 01/16/2012 7:16:54 AM PST by fwdude
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