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As Reforms Flag in Greece, Europe Aims to Limit Damage ("I am Shocked" moment)
New York Times ^ | January 15, 2012 | Rachel Donadio and Niki Kitsantonis

Posted on 01/16/2012 6:57:41 AM PST by C19fan

As Greece and its lenders prepare for another week of tense negotiations, European officials now say that the task is less to help the country through its troubles than to avoid the sort of uncontrolled default that many experts fear could threaten the global financial system.

Officials from the so-called troika of foreign lenders to Greece — the European Central Bank, European Union and International Monetary Fund — have come to believe that the country has neither the ability nor the will to carry out the broad economic reforms it has promised in exchange for aid, people familiar with the talks say, and they say they are even prepared to withhold the next installment of aid in March.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Germany; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: eucrisis; euro; europeanunion; germany; greece; imf; unitedkingdom
Wow! Euros surprised that a country that has shown an inability to govern itself and meet its obligations for almost the past 200 years, since independence from the Ottoman Turks, is showing the same behavior now. Just remember one of the reasons the Italians seem to be getting their act together is the Northern Italy is very commercially minded. Its the Southern half that gives on the stereotypes of incompetent Italians.
1 posted on 01/16/2012 6:57:49 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

At some point, they other Europeans will let Greece fall over the cliff before they, too, are pulled in...........


2 posted on 01/16/2012 7:00:06 AM PST by Red Badger (If you are unemployed long enough, you are no longer unemployed.)
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To: C19fan

Just a pet peeve. It’s not Greece, or even the Greek economy. It is the Greek and European GOVERNMENTS that are responsible for all of this.


3 posted on 01/16/2012 7:01:20 AM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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4 posted on 01/16/2012 7:08:53 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: C19fan

No, more like the Euros are trying to save themselves from thier own stupidity ... they lent Greece money knowing full well that Greece couldn’t repay it, and they continue to loan money that is all but guaranteed to be defaulted on.

Contrary to popular opinion, this is not a PIIGS problem, it is an EU/Euro problem - it is built into the system and each and every member nation KNEW from day one that not ONE of the countries involved could every honestly live up to the conditions imposed.

At the time, it seemed the borrowing could go on forever, and, for a while, everyone was happy - *espeically* the banks and central banks! Now that the party is over, these same interests decry the system they themselves set up. Banks are getting over a trillion Euros from the Central Banks in order to cover thier bad loans - IOW, ALL taxpayers (yes, you too) are being forced into financial slavery in order to bail out banks.

Rail all you want against some mythological greek inability to self rule. Ignoring the real causes however will not fix the problem.


5 posted on 01/16/2012 7:18:26 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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Thanks C19fan.


6 posted on 01/16/2012 7:25:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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"the country has neither the ability nor the will"

Of course they don't, they can't devalue their currency" because they all knowingly committed to the "Crisis Currency" (Euro). Even the Euro supporters admitted there would be a future crisis, but felt it would pull them closer together at the end.

There is a tendency to think that the phrase "Don't let a crisis go to waste" refers to an unplanned for event, but that is, to be brief, complete BS.

7 posted on 01/16/2012 7:41:41 AM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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But but,,,, Greece has plenty of money! They must, if they intend to provide welfare to pedophiles and kleptomaniacs.


8 posted on 01/16/2012 8:13:42 AM PST by CPO retired
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When Greeks have no money to pay their taxes....they turn in their car license plates....

Those that don't have cars ....abandon their donkeys....

Those without donkeys abandon their children....

Those without any of the above wait at empty pharmacy stores in the hope of a few suicide pills....

Prayers for the abandoned children.

9 posted on 01/16/2012 8:36:08 AM PST by spokeshave (Ron Paul finally lit a match after dousing himself with gasoline)
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To: C19fan

These socialist countries have just made more “progress” than Germany. They have every aspect of their survival tied into government. I read last week that Greece had a shortage of asprain because the government could not buy it!

They have to totally reinvent themselves and their governance in order to survive. They are way beyond what “cuts” can accomplish. The US is the same.


10 posted on 01/16/2012 9:04:26 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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