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Five Ways Conservatives Will Have to Sell Their Souls if Romney Wins
Townhall.com ^ | January 17, 2012 | John Hawkins

Posted on 01/17/2012 4:35:34 AM PST by Kaslin

If you were trying to come up with the atrocious candidate imaginable to go toe-to-toe with Barack Obama in 2012, you couldn't do much worse than Mitt Romney. He was an unpopular, moderate Governor who has lost 2 out of the 3 major elections he's run in and whose signature issue, Romneycare, was an enormous failure. Moreover, he's so uninspiring that he makes Bob Dole look like Ronald Reagan and that's before you consider that his incessant flip-flopping that makes it impossible to really know where he stands on any issue.

Romney's candidacy also runs counter to almost every political trend in the book right now. He's the antithesis of everything the Tea Party stands for. A moderate, establishment endorsed, principle free, Rockefeller Republican. On the other hand, he's like a bad guy straight out of central casting for the Occupy Wall Street crowd. A conscience free 1 percenter who makes $10,000 bets and lectures the public about how corporations are people while hordes of poor and middle class Americans that he fired trail in his wake telling tales of woe about how Romney made their lives into a living hell.

At one time, I thought both Gingrich and Perry were more electable than Romney. I have, however, reassessed and now believe Gingrich, Perry, Santorum, and even Huntsman, who just left the race, are ALL more electable than Mitt. It's also worth noting that all of those candidates, including Huntsman, are more conservative than Romney. It's mind boggling to consider the fact that if Romney wins, the conservative base will have chosen the guy behind Romneycare over the man behind the Contract with America, America's premier social conservative, and the best job creating governor in America, all of whom would also be more electable.

Here we are in what may be, forgive me for the cliche, the most important election of our lifetimes and the GOP may end up choosing a candidate who's one part Charlie Crist and one part John Kerry as our nominee. If that's the case, conservatives should certainly vote for him over Obama. After all, Mitt Romney will probably often do the wrong thing if he becomes President, but Barack Obama will almost always fail the country. So Romney would definitely be the lesser of two evils.

Yet and still, conservatives will probably have to pay a big price if Romney becomes the nominee. Barring an unforeseen miracle, we're not going to see someone who was a 3rd rate, unpopular, moderate governor become a great, popular, and conservative President. The idea that Republicans in Congress will keep Romney in line isn't born out by anything that has happened in the last decade. During the Bush years, time and time again, conservatives in Congress abandoned their principles to follow Bush's lead. It has been much the same under Obama. Many Democrats were willing to take votes that ended their careers because they felt compelled to stick by Barack. Mitt would have little to fear from the Tea Party or the rest of the conservative base either. After all, his thinking will be, if grassroots conservatives still had any sway in the Republican party, he wouldn't be the nominee. What are they going to do after he gets the nomination? Vote for Obama? Same goes if he gets elected. No matter how Nixonian Mitt turns out to be, conservatives will still view our own Massachusetts version of Arnold Schwarzenegger as preferable to whatever socialist the Democrats run against him in 2016.

However, we cannot forget that to the majority of the American people, a Republican President IS the conservative movement. His successes are its successes, his failures are its failures, and his policies are its policies. So, if the conservative movement pricks its collective finger and signs on with Mitt Romney, it should be aware of what its signing on for.

1) Mitt Romney is the bailout king of American politics: Just about the only thing that the Tea Partiers and Occupy Wall Street agree on is that they really hated the bailouts. Yet, Mitt Romney is the bailout king of American politics. You could fairly argue that he took a bailout when he was at Bain, he supported TARP, he's now comparing what he did at Bain to what Obama did at GM and Chrysler, and he has noted in a debate that he's open to future bailouts. This isn't even the "compassionate conservatism" that the base detested under Bush, it's "moderate corporatism." Is that what conservatives will have to defend if Mitt Romney is the nominee? Are we supposed to be rallying behind bailouts now?

2) He's not a flip-flopper, we swear: John Kerry's campaign in 2004 was hurt badly by the charge that he was a flip-flopper. Mitt Romney is also a flip-flopper -- a far worse one than Kerry ever was. Even amongst conservatives, saying this about Romney is about as controversial as saying that the sun is hot, water is wet, or Barack Obama is a terrible President. Yet, Mitt Romney's line is that "I've been as consistent as human beings can be." Are conservatives going to have to argue that a guy whose positions are so liquid that you really don't know where he stands on anything is actually consistent? It's ludicrous, its patently untrue, and conservatives know it.

3) Undermining capitalism to help Mitt Romney: I support capitalism because I believe it creates more prosperity, for more people, than any other system mankind has ever come up with. That doesn't mean capitalism is flawless. After all, if capitalism had no flaws, socialism wouldn't exist. What socialists don't get is that capitalism, even with its flaws, is the best, most efficient, most effective way to help everyone -- including the poorest Americans.

On the other hand, what some conservatives seem to be starting to lose sight of in their efforts to defend Mitt Romney is that not everything that creates a profit is moral, good, admirable, or even politically palatable. We'd never run a candidate who got rich running a chain of strip clubs, closing all his factories and sending his jobs of China, or by being the world's most effective spammer. We can all see the issues there.

Along similar lines, it's not particularly admirable to buy a company, load it up with debt, strip it of its assets, run it into the ground, and walk away with a tidy profit while the business goes under and thousands of poor and middle class Americans lose their jobs. Listening to conservatives talk about what a glorious thing it is when regular Americans get fired is more than a little bit disconcerting, particularly since when it was Bain's turn to face that same kind of "creative destruction," they had millions of dollars in debt forgiven by the FDIC in what could fairly be termed a bailout. The same goes Bain making more than 15 million dollars on GS Technologies when "a federal government insurance agency had to pony up $44 million to bail out the company’s underfunded pension plan." That's a prime example of the sort of "capitalism on the way up and socialism on the way down" that most Americans, including Tea Partiers, hated about TARP. Now, we're going to be asked to defend that as one of the wonders of the free enterprise system because Mitt Romney may be the nominee?

4) Read Mitt's lips; He wants a VAT: Like Barack Obama, Mitt Romney is open to the same sort of value added tax that has helped drive the tax rates of Western European nations into the stratosphere.

What about his reform principles? Mr. Romney talks only in general terms. “Moving to a consumption-based system is something which is very attractive to me philosophically, but I’ve not been able to sufficiently model it out to jump on board a consumption-based tax. A flat tax, a true flat tax is also attractive to me. What I like—I mean, I like the simplification of a flat tax. I also like removing the distortion in our tax code for certain classes of investment. And the advantage of a flat tax is getting rid of some of those distortions.”

Since Mr. Romney mentioned a consumption tax, would he rule out a value-added tax?

He says he doesn’t “like the idea” of layering a VAT onto the current income tax system. But he adds that, philosophically speaking, a VAT might work as a replacement for some part of the tax code, “particularly at the corporate level,” as Paul Ryan proposed several years ago. What he doesn’t do is rule a VAT out.

Amid such generalities, it’s hard not to conclude that the candidate is trying to avoid offering any details that might become a political target. And he all but admits as much. “I happen to also recognize,” he says, “that if you go out with a tax proposal which conforms to your philosophy but it hasn’t been thoroughly analyzed, vetted, put through models and calculated in detail, that you’re gonna get hit by the demagogues in the general election.”

You could make a case for a VAT as a REPLACEMENT for the income tax, but as an ADDITION to the current tax code, it would be a disaster that would lead to ever increasing tax rates. If there's one thing that Republican Party has stood for over the last few years, it has been low taxes. So, what happens when Mitt Romney introduces a VAT tax, just like the one Barack Obama wants to implement? How did that work out for George H. W. Bush? How do you like the idea of seeing Republicans implement a tool that will allow the left to simultaneously drive our taxes into the stratosphere and then turn around and blame businesses because the price of all their products are going up?

5) Why support Romneycare and oppose Obamacare? Obamacare is nothing but Romneycare on a larger scale. "Even Mitt’s consultants on Romneycare, like Jonathan Gruber, have admitted that Obamacare is just Romneycare writ large,"

The truth is that the Affordable Care Act is essentially based on what we accomplished in Massachusetts. It’s the same basic structure applied nationally.

So, if Mitt's the nominee, we go into the election with a nominee who fundamentally agrees with all the principles behind Obamacare and is opposing it (Ehr...we hope) for the sake of politics. Are we going to have to pretend that Romneycare is a success or worse, that Mitt Romney really has some big ideological problem with a healthcare plan that's probably almost identical to what he would have come up with if he'd been President?

This is not an academic discussion. Mitt Romney can still be stopped in South Carolina and "(b)etween now and March 3rd, the last event before Super Tuesday, only 15.20% of all delegates to the Republican National Convention will be selected and the vast majority will be proportional." Mitt Romney is the least conservative candidate remaining in the field and isn't particularly electable either. If you don't want to spend the better part of the next year trying to drag this sad sack of Mitt across the finish line so he can disapoint us for the next four years, then stand up, speak out, and stop letting the mainstream media and a bunch of Beltway conservatives tell you that the race has to be over with just 1.8% of the delegates needed for a victory awarded. The Tea Party didn't rise up, fight Barack Obama, and help the GOP have its best year in half a century just to see the Republican party ideologically dragged all the way back to the pre-Reagan years as a reward. If the establishment manages to grease the wheels for Mitt to such a degree that it turns out he's unstoppable, then it's still better to go down brawling instead of supporting a candidate you know is a mediocrity because you think he's "probably going to win". Given the type of man he is, whether Mitt wins or loses the nomination and wins or loses the presidency, you're unlikely to look back at fighting like hell to get another nominee with anything other than pride.


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1 posted on 01/17/2012 4:35:39 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
I will not vote for mitt if he wins... and it will not be my fault... blame preibus, boehner, mcconnell, rove and all of the other blue blood, royal republican elite. PS... they hate us more than they dislike the dims.

LLS

2 posted on 01/17/2012 4:44:11 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Recession: You have no job* Depression: I have no job* Recovery: obama has no job!)
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To: Kaslin

AMERICANS WILL NOT VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT PUTS FASCIST ROMNEY,
the VULTURE RINO, ON ITS TICKET

"As U.S. real output grew 13 percent between 2002 and 2006, Massachusetts trailed at 9 percent.
* Manufacturing employment fell 7 percent nationwide those years, but sank 14 percent under Romney, placing Massachusetts 48th among the states.
* Between fall 2003 and autumn 2006, U.S. job growth averaged 5.4 percent, nearly three times Massachusetts' anemic 1.9 percent pace.
* While 8 million Americans over age 16 found work between 2002 and 2006, the number of employed Massachusetts residents actually declined by 8,500 during those years.
"Massachusetts was the only state to have failed to post any gain in its pool of employed residents," professors Sum and McLaughlin concluded.
In an April 2003 meeting with the Massachusetts congressional delegation in Washington, Romney failed to endorse President Bush's $726 billion tax-cut proposal."

[Cato Institute annual Fiscal Policy Report Card - America's Governors, 2004.]


Alex Beam: “In truth, Ronald Reagan
and Mitt Romney have as much in common
as Cardinal O’Malley and Conan O’Brien.
Deservedly or not, Reagan earned a reputation for constancy.
Once he turned against communism, he opposed it big-time.
…. And our former governor? Inconstancy, thy name is Mitt!
A woman’s right to choose? Yes! No! Yes!
Are we in Massachusetts? Yes! Are we in Iowa? No!
Are we on TV? Whatever!”

3 posted on 01/17/2012 4:47:28 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kaslin

I will not vote for Mitt.


4 posted on 01/17/2012 4:48:14 AM PST by Bobalu (Newt is just the a-hole we need at a time like this)
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To: Kaslin
I will go out on a limb here:

Mitt Romney will be stunningly bruised (politically speaking) in South Carolina this Saturday.

This thing is going to go against a lot of expectations and lots of talking heads will have rotten egg all over their faces. Establishment types. Usual beltway insider toadies. Shameless sycophants. Reprehensible camp-followers. Hangers on. Losers. The whole lot of them. They will have to kiss tail once their pretty boy stumbles and falls. A few of them will defect and become "Republicans for Obama" in the General. Screw em. More of us then THEM.

5 posted on 01/17/2012 4:48:35 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (The top leading CONSERVATIVE as of today in terms of 2012 GOP convention delegates, is RICK SANTORUM)
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To: Kaslin

Bump.


6 posted on 01/17/2012 4:48:46 AM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: Kaslin

Anyone but Obama is a step forward.


7 posted on 01/17/2012 4:52:22 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I pray your prediction holds true.


8 posted on 01/17/2012 4:52:30 AM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: Kaslin

Get ready Mr. Hawkins cause “so called” conservative radio personalities are gonna be coming after you and labeling you anti-captialist for going after their buddy Mitt and Bain Captial.

How dare you take on crony captialism and crony captialist like Bain Captial and Mitt. Mitt and Bain are their “holy” grail.


9 posted on 01/17/2012 4:53:09 AM PST by swampfox101 (A)
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To: Kaslin

Maybe but if NOOT wins we will have to sell the Farm. . . .


10 posted on 01/17/2012 4:54:52 AM PST by DeaconRed (Cold War Veteran. . . . US Army Security Agency 1964-1968)
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To: Vaduz

Tell me the political difference between Obama and Romney.


11 posted on 01/17/2012 4:58:05 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Kaslin
2) He's not a flip-flopper, we swear:

: )

Romney's not a flip flopper, he simply takes all positions on an issue.

13 posted on 01/17/2012 4:59:41 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Romney isn’i a socialist anti American.


14 posted on 01/17/2012 5:02:33 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I will go out on a limb and say that Romney wins no matter how much many of us want him trounced in the primaries and he will go on to lose the general election in a squeaker.(Watch for GOP to implode afterwords) I suspect the number of Repubs who will actually not vote for Romney in the general election are alot fewer than some of us want to admit, unfortunately. I will vote 3rd party for President for the 1st time in my life.


15 posted on 01/17/2012 5:04:35 AM PST by MachIV
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To: Kaslin

I don’t have to sell anything. FUMR! FUGOP-E!


16 posted on 01/17/2012 5:04:40 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Caipirabob

As the author says, he is a far worse flip flopper then John Kerry


17 posted on 01/17/2012 5:06:03 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Vaduz
Romney IS a socialist. Romneycare, bailouts, Tarp. He's a big government pig that raised taxes and fees in Massachusetts. He did not run for a second term because he knew he'd lose. In a liberal state.

He's pro-abortion and appointed to liberal judges that belong to homosexual rights groups.

Tell where Romney differs ideologically with Obama.

18 posted on 01/17/2012 5:06:15 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Kaslin

Romney will not beat obama. Of course, that is why the Republican Party want him as the nominee.


19 posted on 01/17/2012 5:06:59 AM PST by sport
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To: upchuck

Me too.

Romney sucks.


20 posted on 01/17/2012 5:08:36 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Kaslin

I won’t have to turn myself inside for Romney, I’m not voting for him. Now or ever.


21 posted on 01/17/2012 5:11:54 AM PST by Vor Lady (Everyone should read The Importance of the Electoral College by Geo. Grant)
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To: LibLieSlayer

“they hate us more than they dislike the dims.”

Not only that, but I can smell the fear coming from the criminal fascist syndicate occupying Washington. That’s good.


22 posted on 01/17/2012 5:13:31 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Kaslin

All, I can say is, "Good luck RINOs and Establishment Republicans with your candidate. You financially support him. You vote for him. Ann Coulter, Chris Cristie, Peggy Noonan, National Review, etc. As for me? Homie don't play dat."

23 posted on 01/17/2012 5:14:32 AM PST by Obadiah (If U don't believe you can win, then there is no point in getting out of bed at the end of the day.)
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To: sergeantdave

Good grief, Charlie Brown!!!
ANY conservative..........
Any CONSERVATIVE conservative will be able to defeat Barry O.
All they need is the ability to speak the english language and string one sentence after another in a conherent manner.

This bit about RINORomney being the ‘ONLY ONE’ comes out of the South end of the nothbound bull.

He’s the RINO choice, is all.
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24 posted on 01/17/2012 5:19:19 AM PST by Flintlock (Photo ID for all voting. Let our dead rest in peace.)
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To: Kaslin
The author is operating under the false assumption that I, as a conservative, will vote for Romney, if he is the nominee. If Romney makes it, the best I can hope for is a solid Republican House and Senate.
25 posted on 01/17/2012 5:21:48 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Kaslin
I will not vote for Romney....I can't, in good conscience.

I too blame Rove-(& now I've added John Bolton) and great quantities of folks on Fox news, and many more.

They are trying to decide for us who our next president should be.....

...I pray God will intercede....hear the many prayers calling for mercy .....and heal our land and grant us a righteous leader.

26 posted on 01/17/2012 5:27:14 AM PST by Guenevere (....We press on.....)
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To: Vaduz

“Anyone but Obama is a step forward.”

Nope. some of them are merely a slower backward step.


27 posted on 01/17/2012 5:27:52 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Obadiah

Haha..


28 posted on 01/17/2012 5:29:13 AM PST by goseminoles
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To: Kaslin
"He was an unpopular, moderate Governor "
moderate my a$$.......... this guy is a rabid socialist leftist nanny state big government gun grabbing global warming nincompoop......
29 posted on 01/17/2012 5:34:20 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Guenevere

No one, and I don’t care who it is, is going to tell me who to vote for


30 posted on 01/17/2012 5:37:42 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: sergeantdave

Indeed it is.

LLS


31 posted on 01/17/2012 5:40:14 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Recession: You have no job* Depression: I have no job* Recovery: obama has no job!)
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To: sport
Of course, that is why the Republican Party want him as the nominee.

Huh? What a ridiculous presumption

32 posted on 01/17/2012 5:41:32 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Romney keeps making the excuse that he had to govern liberally because he presided over the Democratic Mass house and senate.

Well, Newt worked with CLINTOON - and yet still managed to pull out conservative victories.

Perhaps it was because, uh, he was truly conservative???


33 posted on 01/17/2012 5:58:25 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: LibsRJerks

Excellent point and it proved that Mitt is not a conservative


34 posted on 01/17/2012 6:00:10 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Count me among those who will not vote for Romney in the general.
My vote for McCain had at least a thin sugar coating: he’d served his country with a service many men would not have survived; he was credibly pro-life; and there was Palin on the ticket.
On the pro-life issue alone, Romney is completely unacceptable. I do not believe his conversion and conscience won’t allow me to support him.
I know what it means for America if Obama gets another four years, but after the volcanic catastrophe he would bring, the ash may be excellent fertilizer for future plantings.
So let the hard times roll.


35 posted on 01/17/2012 6:00:50 AM PST by Lady Lucky (A tea party in name only is worse than no tea party at all.)
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To: Kaslin

Make that proves


36 posted on 01/17/2012 6:00:50 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Truth. I support a third party run under a real conservative than the GOP liberal Romney. Its McCain and even Bush yet again and conservatives know it.


37 posted on 01/17/2012 6:01:01 AM PST by kindred (wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ ...)
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To: Kaslin

I keep posting this message: Both parties are driving us toward socialism it’s just that one party is driving a little faster than the other. If obama is reelected the fault lands squarely at the feet of the GOP for not supporting a true conservative. I will not vote for a RINO and if obama is reelected because of a third party then I’m ready to rip off the band-aid and have this revolution. I can fight for my children’s freedoms. If I help elect a RINO then my children will have to fight for their own freedoms. I’d rather do that for them.


38 posted on 01/17/2012 6:06:20 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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if obama is reelected because of a third party then I’m ready to rip off the band-aid and have this revolution Civil War.

Fixed. No charge.

39 posted on 01/17/2012 6:11:02 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Kaslin



Say Miss Thang? WE AIN'T BUYIN!!
40 posted on 01/17/2012 6:17:42 AM PST by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: Kaslin

I won’t vote for Mitt, even if it means Hussein gets re-elected. We’re skrewd either way. Might as well just get it over with.


41 posted on 01/17/2012 6:23:41 AM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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I’ll vote for anyone running against Obama.

If it’s Mitt, I’ll just work harder to elect a Congress that will oppose him until we can replace him in the next primary if he doesn’t sign their bills.

It’s too important to stop Obama now, and the executive isn’t the only branch of government.


42 posted on 01/17/2012 6:27:55 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

“Tell me the political difference between Obama and Romney.”
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Well, let’s see, Romney supports the Marxist cause more convincingly, needs less teleprompting, smiles much more, stutters and stumbles less, has much better hair and teeth etc., no facial moles, he is just better looking altogether. Come to think of it if the rats were smart they would ditch Obama and nominate Romney, he is even a natural born citizen.


43 posted on 01/17/2012 6:28:39 AM PST by RipSawyer (This does not end well!)
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To: RipSawyer
he is even a natural born citizen.

His father was born in Mexico.

44 posted on 01/17/2012 6:34:44 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: crosshairs
Who says Romney will be the nominee, the pundits and the lame stream media?

Pfft to them, they can not tell me who to vote for

45 posted on 01/17/2012 6:41:41 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I’m with you. I will not vote for rumnuts.


46 posted on 01/17/2012 6:49:25 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: DJ MacWoW

My son and daughter were born in Germany as American citizens. Do you think George W. Romney could have run for president in 1966 if he had been a naturalized citizen?


47 posted on 01/17/2012 6:51:04 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Lady Lucky

Well said.


48 posted on 01/17/2012 6:53:55 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Kaslin

“sad sack of Mitt”

****

Best description of Romney I’ve seen.


49 posted on 01/17/2012 6:55:27 AM PST by peyton randolph (Sad sack of Mitt = Obama)
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To: Kaslin
No. There were questions about McCain and he was born on an Army base.

Romney's family were living in Mexico because they were Mormons and they fled the US because of polygamy laws.

50 posted on 01/17/2012 6:55:53 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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