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Posted on 01/17/2012 9:37:41 AM PST by SmileRight
I have a vivid and indelible snapshot in my head of the charred, mutilitated remains of an American, dragged through the dust and finally strung up on a bridge.
Did I imagine that?
Have YOU walked in the shoes of these Marines? Have you lost friends to those rag heads they killed? Have you witnessed the brutality they have inflicted upon their own people, let alone our soldiers? Let me know when you return from multiple tours of duty in a combat zone and have faced what they faced and then we’ll talk about your faux outrage. on 1/2/12 a Petty officer from a community near my home town was killed while collecting evidence of an IED explosion. He was killed from a manually detination of an IED. He was 25, and last year received the Outstanding Sailor of the Year award. My son has lost friends in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He saw them get killed. My wife and I spent three days in May 2007 awaiting word on the 7 soldiers from the 10th Mountain Division and one Iraqi interpreter who were ambushed - five killed outright, and three taken hostage. You see, our son was a 10th Mountain soldier with that combat brigade, and we didn’t know for three days whether it might have been him. One of the three who were taken hostage has still not been found. You will NOT find any sympathy for those Taliban or Iraqi rag heads from this quarter.
The Taliban don’t need or deserve sympathy, they’re dead or soon will be. Good riddance. Eff ‘em.
But would you be proud of your son if he was one of the Marines in this video? Would you show it around to your friends and neighbors?
Or would you be ashamed of how he represented himself and his Corps by his actions in desecrating a corpse, regardless of how superficially understandable those actions were?
Are you seriously asking if I would be less proud of my son, knowing that he IS responsible for taking life while in combat in Iraq, were he to have pissed on the dead bodies? So, I should be ashamed were it that he pissed on the dead, but proud that he killed them in the first place? That is your question?
Superficial to someone who has not walked in the boots of these Marines.
The four dumb Marines (who records these things?) urinating on dead Taliban displayed what the should be considered “courageous restraint” when forced to operate under rules of engagement the enemy exploits to debilitate our troops. When attacking a stronghold or fighting an ambush, staff from remote offices deny artillery and air support critical to minimize casualties and bring victory. Engaged units cannot call illumination rounds to reveal enemy firing positions. Often troops may not chamber a round in their weapons. Now even farting around the Afghans calls for a reprimand. The action we considered reprehensible, enabled them to forget momentarily that they operate under constraints ensuring probable death or crippling for one of them within a week.
Overall the Pentagon and Administration ignore Articles 28 and 29 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which says Protected Persons within the enemy’s physical control, cannot be used to render certain points and areas immune from military operations. Instead our troops serve an effeminate political agenda, and suffer the fantasy of “courageous restraint”, which cripples their ability to win. They also perceive battlefield victories will be compromised away for negotiations with the Taliban.
The character of the Taliban can most often be discovered by consulting Article 13 of the First and Second Geneva Conventions and Article 3 of the Fourth Convention. They are not the armed forces, militias, volunteer corps, insurgents, or freedom fighters of any country or authority. They are not an organized resistance movement carrying arms openly and have no distinctive identifier. Most often they fight for control focusing on the murder and torture of people defined as Protected Persons by the Conventions. The Taliban seldom if ever follow the customs of war. There is no basis to consider these human abominations prisoners of war.
I didn’t serve in the infantry, and I tell sea stories and never war stories. However, I will say sailors of the Brown Water Navy had some interesting ways of handling their trophies, which helped to relieve the tension of realizing they had a better chance of returning home in a bag or on a stretcher than on a freedom bird. Good officers learned how to manage the behaviors, which were certain to arise, in a way sailors could be retained for combat, retain their sense of honor, and arrive at a new normal.
Isn’t this a wonderful country where defecating on the American flag can become a career enhancement, and urinating on a dead enemy can result in prison?
reprimand the soldiers and move on. Unless you have fought in a brutal war keep your mouth shut . . . completely shut!
Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.), a former Army lieutenant colonel, sends THE
WEEKLY STANDARD an email commenting on the Marines’ video [8], and has
given us permission to publish it.
“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our
Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous
indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies
dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and
condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their
bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.
“All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to
chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne
Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?
“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field
grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General
Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them
in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally
apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing
the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.
“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban,
shut your mouth, war is hell.”
If you can’t see the difference between killing an enemy in combat and desecrating a corpse, then I guess there’s not much more to discuss.
Nicely stated.
I see the hypocrisy of feigning outrage at an incident like this and being silent about the real atrocities committed by people for whom brutality is a religious requirement. So, yes, there is nothing more for us to discuss regarding this issue.
Thank you.
In May 2007 8 soldiers (7 U.S., one Iraqi interpreter) were ambushed south of Baghdad, Iraq. Five were killed outright (including the interpreter), while three were taken hostage. The U.S. soldiers were members of the 3rd BCT/10th Mountain Division. The Ambush was first reported on a Friday here in the U.S. My wife and I spent the next two days anxiously looking out our front window on our house, hoping against hope that no one would arrive with news that our son was either dead or one of the captured. When we learned that it was not him, or members of his platoon, we felt both relief and guilt. To this day only two of the three soldiers taken hostage were found - tortured to death, mutilated beyond recognition. DO NOT ask me to feel bad about the dead Taliban being pissed upon. The actions were stupid, yes. I completely agree with Col. West in his recommendations.
Who’s being silent about the atrocities of soulless jackals like the Taliban except the media? I’m certainly not.
And again, what do the actions of soulless jackals have to do with the honorable conduct of United States Marines? We’re not talking about the actions of soulless jackals in this thread, we’re talking about the actions of men who earned the title of United States Marine.
Will you at least agree with Col. West that their actions were wrong and that they should be punished?
I’m not asking you to feel bad about dead Taliban being pissed on. I’m asking you to feel bad about US Marines dishonoring themselves in front of the entire world.
So, just how did you vent that outrage at the atrocities committed by members of the Taliban, Al Queda, Iraqi insurgents, members of Hammas, The Muslim Brotherhood, the PLO, etc, etc, etc??? Have you called for their being placed on trial? Have you contacted your local Mosque and complained? Were you part of a huge mob out carrying protest signs? No? We (meaning the whole of the U.S.) sent our sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, nephews, nieces, etc, etc, into brutal conditions, in which they were often constrained by ridicules rules of engagement, to witness the death, slaughter, mayhem, and barbarity committed by a cult of death. WE at home have rarely made any noise about the barbarity of these cult worshipers. But, WE are quick to judge any member of our own who commit such atrocities as taking pictures of prisoners with underwear on their heads or pissing on dead bodies.
Are YOU going to AT LEAST agree with Col. West that if you haven't been shot at by the Taliban, then Shut UP!!!
NO! Let me emphatically state in no uncertain terms - HELL NO! I will not feel badly about the actions taken by these few Marines. I will not denigrate them for these actions. I have NOT been in their boots. I have NO right to sit in judgement when I have NOT been where they have been. No American sitting at home in the comfort of their own home, and who has not faced what these men have faced has ANY RIGHT to denigrate them. It is not up to the public to pass judgement. It is a military matter, and should be handled by the superiors of these Marines. The public need not be involved. CRAP! I am very thankful that we didn't behave this way during WWII. If we had - if we were so controlled by our emotions as created by the liberal media of today, we would have lost WWII and all been either speaking German, Japanese, or sitting in someone's home as a lamp shade. Too many people in this country need to grow a pair. War is hell, and it's no place for mamby pamby crybaby peepants.
The pilot of this plane was doing his level best to kill as many US Marines and sailors as possible:
He wound up killing no one but himself, and only managed to put a small dent in the side of the USS Missouri:
His name was Setsuo Ishino. His body was recovered from the wreckage of his airplane by the sailors he had just tried to kill, and he was buried at sea with full military honors beneath a Japanese flag improvised by the Missouri sailors.
Chaplain Roland Faulk of the USS Missouri once said "A dead Jap is no longer an enemy."
And here's another example from WW-II: 
Lt Colonel Tim Collins, of the 1st Battalion Royal Irish Regiment, addressed his troops thus:
"Wipe them out if that is what they choose. But if you are ferocious in battle, remember to be magnanimous in victory."If you harm the regiment or its history by overenthusiasm in killing or in cowardice, know it is your family who will suffer.
"You will be shunned unless your conduct is of the highest, for your deeds will follow you down through history. We will bring shame on neither our uniform or our nation."
The skull is real, a dead Jap....
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