Posted on 01/19/2012 7:23:55 AM PST by Seizethecarp
Barack Obama has outlined a defense strategy for a multitude of state-level challenges to his candidacy on the 2012 presidential ballot in a Georgia case that is scheduled to come before a judge later this month – simply explain that states have nothing to do with the eligibility of presidential candidates.
“Presidential electors and Congress, not the state of Georgia, hold the constitutional responsibility for determining the qualifications of presidential candidates,” Obama’s lawyer argues in a motion to quash a subpoena for him to appear at the hearings Jan. 26.
“The election of President Obama by the presidential electors, confirmed by Congress, makes the documents and testimony sought by plaintiff irrelevant,” the lawyer said.
Hearing have been scheduled for that date for three separate issues to be handled. They all are raised by Georgia residents who are challenging Obama’s name on the 2012 ballot for various reasons, which they are allowed to do under state law.
It is states, usually through the office of secretary of state, that run elections, not the federal government. The national election is simply a compilation of the results of the individual elections within states.
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DL, after dealing directly with the HDOH there is NOTHING that I put past them. Nothing. I could talk far longer than anybody has the patience to listen, about the illegalities committed by the Hawaii Department of Health. That’s why I got involved with this issue in the first place - because it is not about Obama at all, but about rampant lawlessness within our own government.
Schneider v Rusk respects that natural-born citizens are distinct from other types of citizenship. This doesn’t promote whatever point of view you have at all.
I know that what Obama posted online is not what the HDOH sent him, unless the HDOH is documentably disobeying the law.
I probably shouldn’t say more than that at this point, but I can assure you that if the HDOH is lawfully certifying their vital records copies (regardless of whether it is an original BC or a supplemental BC lawfully created after an adoption), they know that Obama posted something different than what they sent him - and have deceitfully acted as if he posted what they sent.
A) It’s very refreshing to see a motion written by an attorney other than Orly ... one who understands how to approach the court and how to cite relevant caselaw, although ...
B) I’m not completely sure I follow the reasoning in No. 6, where the plaintiffs ask to relieves the SOS of the statutory burden of proof. If I understand the process, the SOS still makes the final decision. Maybe this helps establish the foundation for suing the SOS if he or she doesn’t follow the eligibility determination of this hearing?
Animal control “Disposes” them.
They’ll say the judge was favoring those racist Georgians who still want to overturn the legitimate 2008 election results, and Obama doesn’t want to waste Air Force One fuel (or precious time golfing - er, trying to put people to work) to dignify that blatantly racist attack by loony conspiracy theorists.
Or maybe he’ll just decide to bomb France or something. Get the news off this subject.
This is a badass notice. I like Hatfield’s inclusion of the term “denizenship” and he comprehensively addresses areas where Obama may have used different forms of identifications and proof of citizenship or denizenship (although I kind of like the term ‘inhabitant’ for Obama too).
Obama should have to stake his qualifications and defend them.
The SOS is not an advocate for the president or Democrat party or citizens of Hawaii.
He is an advocate for the rule of Georgia state Law, thus, the people of Georgia. He must have all birth records that exist in order to make an informed decision. If he doesn't get them, his decision is not an informed decision, and therefore Obama has not qualified until then.
Hiding records invalidates a candidate.
The SOS must make a guess to qualify Obama if he has no access to view all existing original documents.
If the Judge delivers the SOS a legal opinion that states NBC status is not definitive because defendant refuses to honor Georgia Sate law as to provide such known and qualifying documents, the SOS is a tight box. I'm certain that plaintiff will show that qualifying documents are being hidden. So the reasoning is is that they do not want the SOS to be forced to assume facts from hidden documents and or advocate for the defendant. The evidence either provided or denied by Defendant is entirely up to the defendant.
BP1... not being a lawyer, what precisely do these filings mean? Just dotting the I’s and crossing the T’s?
Unless he really wasn't her son. There is a story going around that Obama is really the offspring of his grandpa Stanley and a Honolulu Hotel Street hooker. Obama even detailed in his book when he was about 10 he used to go to a bar down on Hotel Street to have a soda with his gramps. Some have speculated Stanley took Barry down so that his real mom could see him. Stanley Ann wanted a baby and made him hers when he came home from the hospital. Another interesting thing that supports the claim is Obama's mama enrolled in the University of Washington two weeks after he was born and began classes. Why didn't she stay in Honolulu and enroll at the U of H? Why did she leave Hawaii, her parents, and her husband Barrack Obama Sr. only two weeks after he was born? This stuff might seem farfetched to some, but it makes more sense the more you think about it. It gives some ideas on many of the questions surrounding Obama.
If Barry's LFBC was forged, we have no “legal father” in evidence.
Even if a 1961 HI or Kenyan BC were to be found and certified showing BHO Sr. as the claimed father, that would NOT make Barry “legally legitimate” if BHO Sr’s marriage was bigamous due to his marriage to Kezia being lawful under the Kenya Marriage Act.
BHO Sr. Being the “legal father” of Barry does NOT make Barry a UK subject dual citizen under the 1948 BNA if Barry is a legal bastard due to his father's bigamy, if proved.
As yourself whether Barry would throw his father under the bus by declaring himself to be a legal bastard to claim legal unitary US citizenship from his legally single mom if it would save his presidency and tip SCOTUS in his favor.
BHO Sr. has already been revealed to have been declared to be suspected sexual predator and bigamist by the US INS...a revelation suspiciously timed to give legal cover to Barry, if necessary, should legal claims get serious that he is not NBC due to his own claim to being a “claimed” US subject at birth.
Barry can un-claim that claim to have been a UK subject at birth at any time and just say “I had no idea I was born a legal bastard even if BHO Sr. was my legal father! It turns out that under the 1948 BNA I am was NOT a UK subject at birth and only a US citizen through my mother.”
It is crucial that Barry's claim to be an NBC be challenged given his claim that he was a UK subject at birth, but IMO, Barry has had an escape available by admitting he was a bastard all along, and he knows it.
Not being born in HI and actually being born in Kenya would be a disqualifying NBC fact that Barry can't defeat, if proved. So IMO where he is born remains crucial and his NBC status is squishy.
My only problem is that they’re asking the judge to set aside the law in terms of shifting the burden of proof. I’m not sure this makes a strong argument for that. If there’s any weakness in the argument, then there’s a potential problem in getting the desired outcome.
Pick up the phone and call the lawyers listed in the motion at post 147.
He's joked about getting hit in the head with a rock, and this is the moment he started his journey toward becoming president. This is probably related to other stories that indicate he was being bullied.
For his protection, he had to escape Indonesia, but he was an adopted Indonesian citizen. I believe they contacted his father in order to assert his Kenyan citizenship. His father probably established Kenyan documents, such as a passport, in order to take custody from his Indonesian father. He most likely added Obama Jr. to his Kenyan passport.
Rahm Emanual probably went to Kenya to obtain and destroy the Kenyan passport records. Not a BC.
Great minds think alike. Either that means I’m as great as you, or it means you’re as stupid as me. lol. =)
We’ll see what happens, and pray like crazy that the Lord hasn’t given up on this country yet.
I hope the judge finds it to be persuasive!
I’ll take a stab at explaining the filings. I think part of this may be in response to Obama’s motion to quash the subpoenas. The plaintiffs are trying to get the court to agree that the clear and full burden of proof is on Obama, the candidate, to prove he is eligible for office. The attorney is citing relevant Georgia caselaws, as well as explaining why it makes sense to do this. The plaintiff’s other filing is a bit of strong-arming to say that, “No, Obama, you can’t get out of this subpoena to show up at the hearing, and you need be prepared, so gather all these listed documents to prove you are a natural-born citizen or not.”
Your argument is specious.
There exists, in the neighborhood in Hawaii which Barry Soetoro lived after moving there from Indonesia, a name scrawled into the cement of a sidewalk as it dried.
The name: King Obama.
Your speculative statements about Frank Davis are based on an autobiography BHO2 didn’t even write.
Something carved into concrete is kind of tough to dispute.
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Given the lack of submission of actual documents into evidence IMO it is very premature to describe any scenario as “the ONLY sensible explanation.”
IMO it is more probable that the same Obama/Axelrod Chicago counterfeiting operation that produced the forged SFBC also produced the forged LFBC...and they might have even done it (created the pdf) on a PC or Mac in the White House basement.
My suspicion is that having created the forgery in a desperate response to the Trump onslaught they embarked on an elaborate charade of flying Obama’s personal lawyer out to HI supposedly to collect a certified copy but actually only to create the impression that that is what happened or perhaps even to get an HI DOH seal on the forgery. Then when the lawyer returns with the document, Bauer, on his last day as Barry's White House counsel (taxpayer funded) before suddenly resigning to gain attorney client privilege as once again being Barry's personal attorney, Bauer REFUSED to allow Barry to hold the alleged “original” HI LFBC in his own hands. Stinks to high heaven!
Regarding corruption of public officials I recall that the past FIVE IL governors are in federal prison and HI is reported by some to be even more corrupt than IL...and we know what a corrupt communist clown Abercrombie is...and that his initial HI DOH director appointment was terminated suddenly just when proof of Barry's HI birth couldn't be found...and than after the new director arrived...it was found!
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