Obama argues against appearing at eligibility hearing (says GA has NO role in eligibility)

World Net Daily ^ | January 18, 2012 | Bob Unruh

[Seizethecarp]

Barack Obama has outlined a defense strategy for a multitude of state-level challenges to his candidacy on the 2012 presidential ballot in a Georgia case that is scheduled to come before a judge later this month – simply explain that states have nothing to do with the eligibility of presidential candidates.

“Presidential electors and Congress, not the state of Georgia, hold the constitutional responsibility for determining the qualifications of presidential candidates,” Obama’s lawyer argues in a motion to quash a subpoena for him to appear at the hearings Jan. 26.

“The election of President Obama by the presidential electors, confirmed by Congress, makes the documents and testimony sought by plaintiff irrelevant,” the lawyer said.

Hearing have been scheduled for that date for three separate issues to be handled. They all are raised by Georgia residents who are challenging Obama’s name on the 2012 ballot for various reasons, which they are allowed to do under state law.

It is states, usually through the office of secretary of state, that run elections, not the federal government. The national election is simply a compilation of the results of the individual elections within states.

[tacticalogic]

Taitz has brought only one of the three separated cases that will each have their own hearing on Jan 26.

From Alinsky's Rules for Radicals:

Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

Ever notice how any discussion of an eligibility challenge suddenly becomes a discussion about Orly Taitz?

[Seizethecarp]

“Therefore, the religious aspect is not an issue (whether the “marriage” was legal), and the plain language “born of a Citizen mother and Citizen father”) eliminates “single parenthood”, formerly known as “slut”, “trollop”, “tramp”, etc.”

Whether a child has a legal father is not exclusively a religious question under established international law going back to the time of the founders.

It is a fact IIRC that absent a marriage of the mother, the child gets only the citizenship of the mother.

The explicit language of the 1948 BNA which does NOT grant UK citizenship to bastards is NOT based on religious marriage but legal marriage.

BHO Sr’s legal tribal marriage to Kezia in Kenya (a NON-Muslim marriage, BTW...all the children of that marriage were NOT raised Muslim.. but one converted as an adult) was publicly affirmed by BHO Sr. in his letters to Tom Mboya in the Stanford archive and effectively considered to be legally valid marriage by the US INS in file notations when they booted BHO Sr.

[kidd]

“Presidential electors and Congress, not the state of Georgia, hold the constitutional responsibility for determining the qualifications of presidential candidates,” Obama’s lawyer argues in a motion to quash a subpoena for him to appear at the hearings Jan. 26.

This is a remarkably incompetant argument, if that is all that was offered. Georgia has every right to certify its electors and has every right to determine who can and cannot be on the ballot.

[DiogenesLamp]

But if that is the case, the fact that he was a bastard should have been made known to the American people prior to the election, and is in fact an attempt to defraud.

Apart from that, you are referring to his "legal" father. I do not recognize such legal hair splitting as legitimate. As far as I'm concerned, the father cannot be ignored, and the only father that matters is his real biological father.

If Obama's father is an American, (such as Frank Davis) then I will regard him as a "natural born citizen." If his biological father is the Kenyan (which I tend to doubt) then as far as i'm concerned he is NOT a "natural born citizen." ("Legal" father has nothing to do with "natural" father.)

Regardless, the man should not have been permitted to cover up the facts of his birth, and should have been required to be forthcoming prior to the election. The public had a right to know if he was really a bastard or not, and the successful effort to obfuscate this fact is a major fraud and ought to be punishable by prison.

[SvenMagnussen]

Obama Has Lost!

You cannot refuse to testify in a civil suit without consequence. We're all too important and we're all too busy to bother attending a hearing where we are named as a Defendant. Tough luck!

The 5th Amendment gives a criminal defendant the right to refuse to testify against himself, but a civil suit defendant does not have that right.

If Obama does not show in Georgia to testify under oath, then Plaintiffs will receive a Default Judgment. If Obama were to show up in Georgia, then he would have to answer questions under oath that would incriminate him.

1) Where were born?
2) Have you ever been told by your parents or grandparents you were a citizen of Indonesia, Kenya or Great Britain?
3) Have you ever been issued a passport from Indonesia, Kenya or Great Britain?
4) Did you attend Occidental College as a foreign national?
5) Do you have a Certificate of Naturalization on file with the USCIS?

Obama's only option is to claim lack of jurisdiction in the State of Georgia and appeal. Elections cost money. Georgia taxpayers have a right to confirm candidates on the ballot are eligible.

[MichaelCorleone]

No problem; Barry will just dispatch the boys from Chicago to Georgia and put the head of a horse in a few beds tonight...

[Seizethecarp]

“Apart from that, you are referring to his “legal” father. I do not recognize such legal hair splitting as legitimate. As far as I'm concerned, the father cannot be ignored, and the only father that matters is his real biological father.”

Prior to the advent of DNA, in human history the identification of the biological father depended on the sometimes highly suspect claims if the mother...augmented hopefully by resemblance in many cases, of course.

From colonial times up until very recently it is ONLY the LEGAL father that matters in determining citizenship of the baby.

Your own personal opinion or mine cannot overturn well established international law going back to the founding.

Minor v. Happersett distinguishes between NBC birth and birth to aliens, but if there is no LEGAL alien parent there can be no alien citizenship or legal citizenship conflict.

As has been frequently mentioned there is not even a marriage document for Obama’s parents, bigamous or not and Stanley Ann's representations as to who the did is are suspect and do not in any way bind the UK.

[edge919]

I am not a lawyer, but if it is such a legit document -they put on coffee mugs, then what is the problem submitting it to a court. It seems to be the only conclusion. Avoid having it scrutinized and fraud.

This same question occurred to me. Obama supposably has TWO hard copies of his alleged birth certificate. The lawyer should have submitted one of those copies WITH the motino to quash. If they were worried about getting it back, then they simply submit it with a SASE. The motion says it was widely available, except in this instance, they don't want to make it availabel at all. Wasn't that the reason Obama asked for TWO copies??

[Beckwith]

Did you mention conspiracies?

•  On February 22, 2006, an associate attorney in a Chicago-based firm whose partner served on the finance committee for then Sen. Barack Obama wrote a paper that advocated for the elimination of the U.S. Constitution's "natural-born" citizen requirement, calling the requirement "stupid" and asserting it was discriminatory, outdated and undemocratic.
      

•  On November 27, 2007, US congressman Eni Faleomavaega (D - Samoa) checked into the Sheraton in Jakarta, Indonesia. In a meeting with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, Faleomavaega asked to travel to Obama's childhood school. According to Southest Asian sources, "officials" who accompanied Faleomavaega were interested in acquiring any and all documentation or photographs of a young Barry Soetoro for America's "national archives" and they were offering cash, lots of it. In a "show of faith," Barack Obama's childhood school was one of the very first beneficiaries of this outpouring receiving thousands of dollars to upgrade the school and for the purchase of computer equipment. The challenge of course was securing Indonesian government records potentially damaging to Barack Obama's candidacy for the U. S. presidency as well as other records pertaining to a young Barry Soetoro and his family.

•  On February 28, 2008, Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduced a bill to the Senate for consideration. That bill was known as "S. 2678: Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act." The bill was co-sponsored by Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ), and Sen. Thomas Coburn (R-OK). The bill attempted to change Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States with reference to the requirements of being a "natural born citizen."

•  On March 21, 2008 Obama’s top terrorism and intelligence adviser, John O. Brennan, headed a firm that was cited in March for breaching sensitive files in the State Department’s passport office. Sources who tracked the investigation say that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to "cauterize" the records of potentially embarrassing information. "They looked at the McCain and Clinton files as well to create confusion," one knowledgeable source said. "But this was basically an attempt to cauterize the Obama file." At the time of the breach, Brennan was working as an unpaid adviser to the Obama campaign. The passport files include "personally identifiable information such as the applicant’s name, gender, social security number, date and place of birth, and passport number," according to the inspector general report. The files may contain additional information including "original copies of the associated documents," the report added. Such documents include birth certificates, naturalization certificates, or oaths of allegiance for U.S.-born persons who adopted the citizenship of a foreign country as minors. The State Department Office of Inspector General (OIG) issued a 104-page report on the breach. Although it is stamped "Sensitive but Unclassified," the report was heavily redacted in the version released to the public, with page after page blacked out entirely."

•   On April 10, 2008, Sens. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduced a resolution expressing the sense of the U.S. Senate that presidential candidate Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) was a "natural born" Citizen, as specified in the Constitution and eligible to run for president. Sen. McCaskill knew Obama was not a U.S. Citizen, that’s why she introduced this bill -- dressing it up to look like it was in Sen. John McCain's cause -- and achieving the goal of compromising the Republican candidate, who was, in fact, ineligible.

•   On June 12, 2008, the Daily Kos posted the now-infamous image of Obama's first counterfeit birth document, the "Certification of Live Birth" along with a cover story.

•  On July 22, 2008, a birth announcement was discovered in the Honolulu public library. The microfilm of a notice placed in the Sunday Advertiser, "Births, Marriages, Death" section, dated August 13, 1961, read, "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4." It does not list the hospital or the doctor in attendance. The problem is, Thelma Jones Lefforge owned and occupied the house at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway until she conveniently died 10 days before the birth announcement showed up. The "Obamas" never lived there, as attested to by the neighbor. As a matter of fact, there is no evidence that they ever lived together anywhere, at any time.

•  On August 21, 2008, the Annenberg Public Policy Center website, FactCheck.org, published a web page entitled, "Born in the U.S.A. -- The truth about Obama's birth certificate." The article states that FactCheck.org staffers had seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate, which it wasn't. They further concluded that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship, while knowing the issue was eligibility, not citizenship -- which it doesn't.

•  On August 27, 2008, the Democratic Party of Hawaii, the Democratic National Committee, the Chair of the Party convention, the Secretary of the Party, and probably many, many more, knowingly and wantonly defrauded the American electoral system and more than 300 million American citizens by filing fraudulent "Official Certification of Nomination" papers for Barack Obama and Joe Biden in all 50 states.

•  On October 23, 2008, in accordance with the existing Hawaiian Law Revised Statutes 11-113, and, as a result of mediation by Kevin B. Cronin, Senior Elections Officer, candidate Obama was officially approved for placement on the state’s ballot even though the state party's vetting authority refused to certify the legal qualifications of candidate Obama, because his nominating papers omitted the phrase, "...are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution," and read instead, "...legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the national Democratic Parties."

•  On October 24, 2008, Hawaii's Republican Governor, Linda Lingle, a senior member of John McCain's election committee, placed Obama's birth certificate under seal, and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.

•  On April 3, 2009 Jack Maskell, the Legislative Attorney, American Law Division of the Congressional Research Service, wrote a memorandum, "Qualifications for the Office of the President of the United States and Legal Challenges to the Eligibility of a Candidate," that improperly states the origins, evolution and Supreme Court case-law related to the Constitution's "natural born" citizen requirement, but the document provides cover for members of the U. S. Congress, who refuse to address the issue of Obama's eligibility to serve as POTUS.

•  On June 17, 2009, the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands which had stated on their website that the Hawaiian "Certification of Live Birth" (COLB) the Obama Campaign posted on the Internet as proof of Obama's eligibility would NOT be accepted for eligibility for some Hawaiian state government programs (page 1, page 2, page 3), changed the language of their website to read, "The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth." 
         
•   On July 21, 2009, Trevor Potter and other lawyers for Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign said that they did look into the Obama citizenship rumors and found them without merit.
   
• On April 27, 2011, in the final act of this conspiracy, Team Obama posted an electronic image of a document that they claimed was Barack Obama's original, long-form birth certificate. It isn't. The electronic image was produced and manipulated using Adobe software products and states right in the registrar's certification that it is an abstract of a text record -- right above the taunting "smiley face."
   
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[SvenMagnussen]

Obama should Testify or Resign

Clinton v. Jones, 520 U.S. 681 (1997), was a US SCOTUS opinion establishing that a sitting President of the United States has no immunity from civil law litigation against him, for acts done before taking office and unrelated to the office.

[Beckwith]

What's on the Internet is not a document — Squeeky, girl reporter explains it beautifully:

http://theobamafile.com/_oddsnends/ThisIsNotAPipe.htm

[edge919]

At the same time Obama and his lawyers were drafting a motion to quash, claiming he’s too busy to be bothered with going to Georgia to show a birth certificate, Obama was actually producing a video for Betty White’s 90th birthday, demanding that she shows him HER long-form birth certificate. What an idiot!

[surfer]

This is ALL about the establishment PROTECTING THE ESTABLISHMENT...

Long ago we stopped having a government that represents US.

[opentalk]

Thanks, from your link:

...NO, I repeat, NO qualified, independent forensic document examiner has ever been allowed to examine the REAL document that these Internet images represent....

..But, Obama will never, ever allow that to happen, because it's a counterfeit document.

[DiogenesLamp]

Prior to the advent of DNA, in human history the identification of the biological father depended on the sometimes highly suspect claims if the mother...augmented hopefully by resemblance in many cases, of course.

From colonial times up until very recently it is ONLY the LEGAL father that matters in determining citizenship of the baby.

Your own personal opinion or mine cannot overturn well established international law going back to the founding.

Minor v. Happersett distinguishes between NBC birth and birth to aliens, but if there is no LEGAL alien parent there can be no alien citizenship or legal citizenship conflict.

This is one of my longstanding criticism of our legal system; an unthinking adherence to precedence and ritual rather than just getting at the truth. It is my opinion that this sort of nonsense needs to be excised from our system of justice. The "exclusionary rule" is another example of this mindless dogma in action.

Now that we HAVE the ability, we should USE it. If DNA is good enough to establish guilt or innocence in criminal trials, it ought to be good enough to establish the truth in cases such as this.

[DiogenesLamp]

What's on the Internet is not a document — Squeeky, girl reporter explains it beautifully:

Wow. That clueless waif finally got something right.

[edge919]

Yes, Obama suspposedly has TWO copies of his birth certificate. If they are real, all he had to do was send one with his motion to quash the subpoena.

[Envisioning]

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[LostPassword]

I’d almost like to see Obama win by 1 electoral vote, then have 2 of his electors determine he’s not qualified and switch their vote and use his own argument as justification “Presidential electors and congress ... hold the constitutional responsibility for determining the qualifications”

He’s also arguing that Congress has the responsibility. I’d love to see that if he does somehow win.

[opentalk]

Obama's constant mocking and bringing up his BC, is a tactic to perpetuate his lie and suggest how crazy and silly it is to question. Case closed

One of the creepiest things about this group is how good they are at manipulation, lies, and creating fake perceptions of what the truth is.

..don't believe your lying eyes, gut instinct or common sense.