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Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops
CNET ^ | January 23, 2012 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 01/24/2012 12:06:01 AM PST by LibWhacker

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Hmm, you can't prosecute someone for forgetting something. It's easy to forget a seldom used passphrase as I know from personal experience.
1 posted on 01/24/2012 12:06:10 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

You don’t have a right to prevent the government from spying on you.


2 posted on 01/24/2012 12:08:26 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: LibWhacker

Sounds like the Brits and King George have come back after two hundred odd years. “Into the hoosegow until you remember where you put that key!”


3 posted on 01/24/2012 12:10:45 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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But do you have to furnish them the wherewithal to spy?

I could see the creation of “chameleon” PGP systems that when brought up with one passphrase have all the naughty bits, but when brought up with another one have naughty bits permanently erased.


4 posted on 01/24/2012 12:12:20 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The surveillance net on America is quite staggering.


5 posted on 01/24/2012 12:14:11 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: LibWhacker

well, what are they gonna do if you decline to comply? torture the passwords out of you?


6 posted on 01/24/2012 12:16:30 AM PST by RC one (the majority of republicans agree, anyone but Romney.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That’s a cool idea. I like that.


7 posted on 01/24/2012 12:17:31 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: RC one

Charge you with contempt of court. You could spend a long time in jail. Personally, I’m a law-abiding guy and have nothing to hide. But if I weren’t, I wouldn’t refuse outright. I’d just say I forgot the passphrase. They can’t punish you for that.


8 posted on 01/24/2012 12:20:36 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I mean the wherewithal to spy, in particular, on YOU.

This is Big Brother again, and you must not turn off the monitor in your house.


9 posted on 01/24/2012 12:22:09 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: LibWhacker

simple solution: 2 passwords

one to unlock... one to wipe

seriously though, so much for not incriminating yourself


10 posted on 01/24/2012 12:25:58 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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Fricosu doesn’t sound in particular like any angel, but this sounds like overkill in this case. She submitted forged documents — who cares if she made them on the laptop or farmed it out to China? Nail her on the forged documents she submitted.


11 posted on 01/24/2012 12:30:05 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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Well, you would want to wipe to innocuous looking state, and also so that the result cannot be distinguished from the result of decrypting to your own state. That way they can’t have any legal basis to look and say “this was a phony pass, now we will restore from our backups and you have to do it right this time.”


12 posted on 01/24/2012 12:32:21 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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This will lead to the development of phoney "frying" passwords.

The cops take your laptop, you give them a password.

Instead of the real data getting decrypted, it either gets scrambled or rendered innocuous.

13 posted on 01/24/2012 12:44:38 AM PST by SlargTarg
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I could see the creation of “chameleon” PGP systems that when brought up with one passphrase have all the naughty bits, but when brought up with another one have naughty bits permanently erased.

Beat me to it.

14 posted on 01/24/2012 12:45:04 AM PST by SlargTarg
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well, what are they gonna do if you decline to comply? torture the passwords out of you?

Deem you a terroist. Send you to Gitmo. Waterboard you.

15 posted on 01/24/2012 12:45:51 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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Just a portion of the pass phrase awould enable most cracking algorithms a 98% chance to succeed....


16 posted on 01/24/2012 12:47:20 AM PST by databoss
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Now its the Sh*ts and King George Soros, along with his donkey eared court fool..


17 posted on 01/24/2012 12:47:20 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: LibWhacker

Just a portion of the pass phrase awould enable most cracking algorithms a 98% chance to succeed....


18 posted on 01/24/2012 12:47:43 AM PST by databoss
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Siege heil!

Jawol, comrade, you MUST comply!

‘F any court that rules against our clearly elucidated constitutional rights.
The tendency to support LE even when they are WRONG is NOT conservative, it is short sighted, and smacks of cowardice.

I thought Gov. Org. already forced the PGP programmers to give them a master key?


19 posted on 01/24/2012 12:47:54 AM PST by Loyal Sedition
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Here is a business idea.

Someone sets up a company called Foreign Encryption Services (FES) in a foreign country like Russia, out of reach of the US courts. Anyone who wants to avoid turning their data over just needs to sign a license to FES that will exclusively and completely and irrevocably sell all of the content of their hard drives, clouds, phones, personal computers etc etc to FES. For $20 a month, FES will lease access to that content and the drives/cloud/phone etc back to you, encrypted. FES will provide you a key only if you certify that you are not facing any civil or criminal penalty. If you should be indicted, or sued, or compelled in any way by any court to turn over data, you are in violation of our agreement and FES will cease to provide you encryption keys and block your access to the data.

So even if the court compelled you, you couldn’t do it because 1) it isn’t yours (it belongs to FES) and 2) to give it would be to force a breach of contract with FES and 3) you don’t have they key to unlock it even if you did own it and didn’t face civil penalties for turning it over.

I sure don’t want to create ideas that will help criminals and pedophiles, and I understand the need for law and order, but in this day and age where data and ideas can be licensed, where stuff can be stored remotely and accessed remotely etc, the court is behind the times. This can be prevented by those who want to prevent it.


20 posted on 01/24/2012 12:56:40 AM PST by monkeyshine
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