Posted on 01/27/2012 12:18:49 PM PST by mitchell001
Does the thought of Mitt Romney, a devout Mormon and Mormon leader, becoming President scare you? After reading this testimonial of an ex-Mormon ((http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_packham/why.html)), I am scared of Mitt Romney becoming President. Remember when Barack Obama was seeking the nomination in 2008, his 20 year attendance at Jerimiah Wright's church where radical preaching took place was glossed over by the American public and the press. I say we do not make the same mistake with Mitt Romney and his leadership role in the Mormon Church. In the GOP nominating process, let's explore Mitt's Mormon beliefs. Am I totally off base? Please read the link on the ex-Mormon above!
Does the thought of a Mormon US President scare you?
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We have a Mormon US President right now...
It is good to keep reminding the uninformed of that! Barry was baptized in abstentia in a mormon temple ceremony. [I liked your sentence about ‘boys being baptised for folks on lists’. Very few non-LDSinc know stuff like that.]
>Romney’s proper title is Bishop Romney. He is a senior cleric in the Mormon tradition<
And Obama will not play the religion card, wiping the floor with the Good Bishop?
These RINO’s are smoking crack if they believe nominating Romney will give them the White House come November.
and a big problem that the Mormons have with Barry being a Mormon because they sealed him to his mother the dead dunked Stanley Ann Dunham is that the only way she could lose her standing as a baptised, and fully endowed temple worthy Mormon is to be excommunicated
and the dead cant be excommunicated
after all who could ever prove she had done something so unMormon since 2008 that her name would be strickened from the rolls ??
Plus shes not 110 yet...
and she hasnt submitted her resignation..
and that sealing between Mom and son is forever as the Mormons are into “forever families”
Thus a bona fide Mormon presidemnt...
a black one to boot..
:)
BTW Joey Smith and the early Mormons never allowed for the undoing of any dead dunking conversions...
Brigham Young must be rolling over in his grave..
I hate it when Spell Check lets the wrong word through just because it is a word. The second "m" in "Mormon" is a typo, if you're willing to pretend that the occupant of our White House is eligible for the job he is mishandling.
Im not pretending anything...
This is the belief of Mormon bishop and high priest Willird Mitt Romney...
We have a Mormon US President right now...
Bring’um Young is, as a friend once said of a criminal child abuser, ‘too busy screaming in toasty agony to roll over in a cold grave ...’
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
nice visual image...
If you want the voting rate, simply look at the breakdowns for the 2010, 2008, 2004, 2000, etc. elections and see what percentage of the people in those states that are highly LDS voted for the Republican candidates, down the line (not unanimously, and with a few pointed exceptions ... like Harry Reid)...use Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and Nevade (States with the higest percentage of LDS populations) and you will see that those states, particularly Utah and Idaho are among the highest, if not the highest, per captia/percentage voters for conservative candidates in the nation.
That’s easy to research and not in dispute.
With respect to life-style...here’s a whole slew of them, easily found by simply researching LDS or Mormon demographics:
- Utah spends much less of its budget on public welfare than other states. “On average, other states spend 22.4 percent of their budgets on public welfare; Utah spends 14 percent.” Utah also has the lowest Utah has the lowest child poverty rate in the county. [Source: Maria Titze, in Deseret News, 28 April 2000.]
The 2000 Self magazine ranked Provo, Utah as the number 1 healthiest city in the country for women. The article said that the Mormon influence is the reason women in Provo experience such low incidents of cancer, smoking, drinking, violence, depression, etc. [Source: MSNBC]
- In a ranking of “Family Values”, based on marriage rate, divorce rate, suicide rate, AIDS rate data from the World Almanac of the U.S.A. Utah was ranked 4th highest in the nation (with statistics most indicative of traditional family values). The states that ranked higher by this cumulative score were Iowa, Idaho, and South Dakota.
- According to IRS tax returns, Utahns rank first among all U.S. states in the proportion of income given to charity by the wealthy (households with annual gross income of more than $200,000).
- Longstanding Latter-day Saint emphasis on secular education and learning, in addition to religious education, can be seen in federal education statistics. The American Legislative Exchange Council’s (ALEC) Report Card on Education reported that Utah was ranked 7th academically in the nation, despite the fact that the state spent less money (49th in expenditures per pupil) than most other states. [Source: Center for Education Reform, 1001 Connecticut Avenue NW, Suite 204, Washington, D.C.]
- Utah is ranked 2nd in proportion of the population who are high school graduates. 85.1% of Utah’s adult population are high school graduates. (Alaska is ranked 1st, with 86.6. Nationally the figure is 75.2%.) [Source: 1990 Census, U.S. Bureau of the Census, published in Statistical Abstract of the United States 1997 (117th Edition), U.S. Dept. of Commerce, pg. 161.]
- National demographic studies indicate that couples in which both partners are Latter-day Saints (and who marry in a Latter-day Saint temple) have the lowest divorce rate among all U.S. social and religious groups studied. “The divorce rates for Latter-day Saints who marry in the temple are 5.4 percent for men and 6.5 percent for women. source: William Lobdell, Holy Matrimony: In an Era of Divorce Mormon Temple Weddings are Built to Last in Los Angeles Times, 8 April 2000
- The following statistics show where Utah (0ver 75% LDS) scores high in a number of areas, including family, health, crime and education. These statistics cover the entire state. In 2000, Utah was one of only three states to receive a straight-A score in a national report card based on a number of criteria (1).
Families:
Utah ranked highest in the number of married-couple families, with an average of 63.2 percent. (2)
Utah ranked highest in the number of family households, with 76.3 percent. (2)
Utah ranked highest in the number of persons per family, with an average of 3.57. (2)
Utah ranked third for the fewest number of single-headed households with children, with 7.7 percent. (2)
Education in Utah
Utah ranked fourth for the highest population of persons age 25 and over with a high school degree at minimum, totaling 91 percent. (3)
Utah ranked 11th for the highest population of persons age 25 and over with a bachelor’s degree or higher, totaling 27.9 percent. (3)
Utah ranked fifth for the highest percentage of ninth-grade students who graduated within four years, increasing from 77.8 percent in 1999 to 82.3 percent in 2000. (4)
Health in Utah
Utah ranked first for the lowest prevalence of smoking, with 14 percent. (4)
Utah ranked first for the lowest risk for heart disease, and was 20 percent below the national average. (4)
Utah ranked first for the lowest number of cancer cases, with 239.5 cases per 100,000. (4)
Utah ranked first for the lowest number of work days missed within a 30-day period due to illness, averaging under three days per month missed. (4)
Utah ranked second for the lowest overall death rate, with only 5.6 deaths per 1,000. (3)
Utah ranked second for lowest number of heart-disease mortalities, and was the most improved state since 1990. (4)
Utah ranked third for best overall health in 2000, maintaining its high standing in this category during the past decade. (4)
Utah ranked fourth for the lowest infant mortality, and fifth in the nation for lowest total mortality. (4)
Crime in Utah
Utah ranked 12th for the lowest crime rate. (3)
Utah’s index crime rate (murder, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny, motor vehicle theft and arson) decreased 12.6 percent. (5)
Utah’s violent crime rate (murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault) decreased 8.8 percent. (5)
Utah’s violent crime rate was less than half the national rate and represented a 21-year low. (5)
Utah’s property crimes (burglary, larceny, motor vehicle theft and arson) decreased 12.8 percent. (5)
Utah’s property crimesrate was less than half the national rate and represented a 21-year low. (5)
Utah’s burglary rate decreased 8.3 percent. (5)
Utah’s rate was 33 percent lower than the national rate and represented a 21-year low. (5)
Utah’s larceny rate decreased 12.9 percent compared to 1999, and 30.4 percent compared to 1995. This represented a 21-year low. (5)
Utah’s murder rate decreased 3.7 percent compared to 1999, and was nearly one-third of the national rate. This represented a 21-year low. (5)
Utah’s aggravated assault rate decreased 15.1 percent. This represented a 21-year low. (5)
Utah’s arson rate decreased 18.3 percent. (5)
Utah’s rate was less than half the national rate and represented a 21-year low. (5)
Utah’s robbery rate decreased 18.4 percent. (5)
Utah’s motor vehicle theft rate decreased 20.1 percent. (5)
Utah’s rate was 71 percent lower than the national rate. (5)
Utah’s adult arrests for violent crimes decreased 16.3. (5)
Utah’s adult arrests for property crimes decreased 13 percent. (5)
Other Utah Statistics
Utah ranked highest in charitable giving. (1)
Utah was the fourth fastest-growing state, with a 29.6-percent population increase during the past decade. (3*)
Utah’s growth rate more than doubled the nation’s growth rate of 13.2 percent. (3*)
Utah supports 1,000 churches representing 67 religious denominations. (3**)
Sources:
(1) The Corporation for Enterprise Development, “Development Report Card for the States 2000,” www.drc.cfed.org
(2) Utah Government (citing the 2000 Census), www.utah.gov
(3) Economic Development Corporation of Utah (citing the “2001 Economic Report to the Governor”), www.edcutah.org
(3*) Economic Development Corporation of Utah (citing the 2000 Census), www.edcutah.org
(3**) Economic Development Corporation of Utah, www.edcutah.org
(4) United Health Group, “United Health Group State Health Ranking: 2000 Edition,” http://www.unitedhealthgroup.com
(5) Utah Commission on Criminal and Juvenile Justice, “2000 Crime Statistics,” www.justice.state.ut.us
(6) Deseret News 2001-2002
If one spent more time, they could find a lot more. I am sure there are negatvie ones as well...which one owul expect in demographics with millions of adherants. But that was a sampling.
Anyhow, it was not my intent to debate it. These things as regards, health, family values, pregnancy rates, disease, conservative values, have been lonk known and spoken about with respect to the LDS faith. trying to paint a picture of LDS being worse than Obama, liars, decievers...taught to do so by their church...just do not hold, either by the vast majority of experiences people in the church have, or the statistical data which is out there.
Now, some folks do have bad experiences. There are bad apples and I grieve for that and wish that folks would not run across them or have their attitudes and felings hurt, devasted or so negatively impacted.
Whenever that happens, it is wrong.
But the claims made on this thread are simply over the top when it comes to LDS people being tauhgt in church to lie, planning some kind of takeover of the US government, are leftists and liberals by nature of their membershiop in the Church, being just like fundamental Islam which many Americans, inclding many fine LDS personnel are fighting, being wounded and injured and dieing to defeat. It is an insult to their service and the inclinations, beliefs and lives of most active LDS members.
With that, I’ve given my input here...people can make whatever they will of it. It is sincere, reasoned and the truth and I hope folks can rise above these type of claims and feelings and work together with most LDS members who are their allies in the effort to protect our constitutional republic...who believe strongly in their Savior, Jesus Christ, and who want America to adhere to and follow the foundational republican values and morals as set forth in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
Sorry, Jeff..you will see this statement turned into a lie by the lock-step mormon support and voting for Romney all over the US in the weeks and possibly months to come.
I commend you for saying you do not support him, but hundreds of thousands of your fellow mormons do, not because he is right, but because he is mormon.
How any mormon can support Romney in the face of his vicious, slandering attacks both in the last election and recently and at the same time call himself a conservative is incredible...read "not credible". I think you would best serve the country by preaching at these identity voters about their ignorance of his character rather than preach at those of us who recognize what he is and what he will do.
I feel for you as the days go by and if he is the nominee, you will see the mormon church held up before the nation for what it really is. It will not be pretty.
Where does all this information come from?
Jeff, you forgot to include that Utah has the most white collar crime, the most ponzi schemes and the most bankruptcies per capita.
All is not well in Zion and far too many Mormons will vote for a liberal just because he is a Mormon than vote for a conservative who isn’t. the 94% of LDS who voted for Romney last primary speaks volumes.
Exactly. Well spoken.
Almost all of what is passed off as anti-Mormon bigotry on Free Republic is in reality nothing more than people providing annotated facts (and in some cases personal experiences of ex-Mormons) concerning Mormonism ... and the vast majority of their data is taken directly from LDS sources and historical records. Saints are offered an opportunity to rebut the replies and apologies are offered along with retractions if the information provided is not correct.
I've had several Mormons who worked with or for me in the past and we've had relaxed and upbeat discussions. They all lied through their teeth about practices, beliefs and the whole structure of the LDS. Good workers and employees. But when you have to lie about your beliefs, what does that say?
One of the problems with multiple wives is multiple mothers-in-law. These things do have a way of working out...
Read post 169...the sources are listed throughout that post. You don’t have to have links to source something. The sources are in there and listed...all you have to do is read them.
And, BTW, I know literally hundreds of LDS all around me who are not voting for Romney.
What do you make of the 300,000+ citizens thousand who already have voted for him, the vast majority not LDS? In fact a large number of people who call themselves conservative are voting for him...meaning probably many batpists, evangelicals, methodists, etc.
They believe he is a better candidate than Obama...irrespective of what you say...and having enough business experience to warrant their vote in these times. I believe his past stances on the issues are sufficient for me NOT to vote for him through the primaries.
...and I have stated this numerous times and it has nothing to do with his religion. Other people, including a whole lot of non-LDS (as was the case 4 years ago) voted and are voting for the guy. We have to stop by educating them about the issues and not trying to us religion withj rediculopus statements like his is the anti-cChrist and has a plan to take over the US government, but based on his track record and positions as an idividual...which is what I try and do.
Did I somehow miss the DATA about PROZAC® and/or White Collar Crime in UTAH?
I gotta hand it to you Jeff; you are the BEST at Faith Building stories!
Jeff, still no link but its ok. I am not going to get a swinging contest over these statistics, except I have links that state other information.
So lets get down to this question, why do the ever so conservative lds vote at a rate of 94% for Romney the very liberal guy, and a majority vote for the very liberal guy?
lds do not vote conservative other wise federal office holders who are liberal would not be supported.
You statistics do not jive with who lds vote.
Jeff, it was Joseph Smith that compared himself to islam. It is the SLC lds that have been partnering with islam for decades.
All of this information has been given to you, and others on FR many times.
It is Joseph Smith who wanted to over throw the US Constitution, all that information has been supplied to you and others on FR many times.
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