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Is the Tea Party Losing Its Grip on the GOP?
Real Clear Politics ^ | January 30, 2012 | Erin McPike

Posted on 01/30/2012 6:38:36 PM PST by neverdem

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Newt Gingrich's fast Florida fade is the latest indication that the Tea Party is losing its grip on the GOP, with the establishment poised to triumph once again.

An official endorsement Saturday night from last year's Tea Party standout, Herman Cain; an all-but-official backing from longtime Tea Party darling Sarah Palin; and the support of an increasing number of Tea Party officials around the country have not lifted Gingrich back over Mitt Romney in the Florida polls. That weakened clout has been accompanied by the Republican establishment's full-throttle charge at Gingrich's past -- to great effect with the primary here just one day away.

It’s a stunning twist of fate for the GOP, which just 18 months ago was mired in intraparty battles that gave rise to the grass-roots movement, and which had been desperately seeking anyone but Mitt Romney in the presidential race to satisfy its hard-right turn. Still, if Romney wins here on Tuesday and goes on to clinch the nomination in the coming weeks or months, it may not settle the question of whether he has quieted the Tea Party faithful heading toward the general election.

Its various favorites have failed to take hold. Michele Bachmann was ultimately not seen as credible, Cain was forced out of the race over charges of sexual harassment, and Rick Perry couldn’t pass muster through the debates.

Though Gingrich has embraced the Tea Party -- and many of its leaders have hugged him back -- he doesn’t fit the movement’s mold. The Romney campaign knows this and has had no qualms about highlighting that fact.

From former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole, the GOP presidential nominee in 1996, to Sen. John McCain, the standard bearer in 2008, a growing number of Republican “insiders” have blasted...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Politics/Elections
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To: Once-Ler

It was only the biggest electoral swing in modern history. What a weak showing last year.


51 posted on 01/30/2012 7:43:05 PM PST by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: Jim Robinson

The GOP has lost it’s grip on the Tea Party, is more like it.

The Rattlesnake is coiled and ready to strike.

The 2 parties don’t quite get that we consider ourselves backed into a corner with time running out...

It doesn’t matter how many or few we are, it’s a matter of resolve.


52 posted on 01/30/2012 7:45:02 PM PST by One Name
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To: One Name

We Are Many! Recall Yamamoto...


53 posted on 01/30/2012 7:46:06 PM PST by IrishPennant (Did Adam and Eve have belly-buttons? I'm jes' askin'...)
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To: Once-Ler

Romneycare with mandates, gay marriage, assault rifle bans, abortion, muslim friendly,,,

it’s your new conservatism. lol


54 posted on 01/30/2012 7:46:54 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: stilloftyhenight

Thank you.


55 posted on 01/30/2012 7:48:01 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: adorno
The tea party is dead.
It was a once in a lifetime phenomenon...

Its essence, the idea and the spirit, is still vibrant.

But more stealthy now
"Joy to Thee Me---Confusion to our enemies."

56 posted on 01/30/2012 7:49:51 PM PST by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: DesertRhino
You are correct, people with power don’t make threats. They stay home in November or write in. The GOP needs a lesson in power.

Impotent people let others make decisions for them. A Obama win in November will cause both parties to move left.

Written by Common Tator

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/589263/posts?page=24#24

The two parties have been in control since 1860. They have made every rule in such a way that third parties are always counter productive. Third party efforts, if effective, always elect the cadidate they like least. The direction of our nation and its laws can be changed. But the only way that works is to take over one of the two major parties. The Republican party of Teddy Roosevelt was pretty liberal and the Democratic party of that time was pretty conservative. The Deomcrats were dominated by the South where states rights, low taxes, and very limited federal goverment was quite popular. It was the Roosevelt type liberals of the north that dominated the Republican party in the first two decades of this century. But by the mid 1920’s conservatives had taken over the Republican party too. As someone said their was not a dimes worth of difference between the two parties.

But the left under the mantle of FDR took over the Democratic party. Using party loyalty they got FDR elected president. Twenty years of FDR made the conservative Democratic party into the liberal Democratic party.

In the South the consrvative Democrats started to move to the Republican party and in new England the liberal Republicans started to move to the Democratic party.

For the first 30 years of the last century the Progressive party tried to make an impact. It Failed. It tried to move the nation to the left and it failed. FDR figured out how to do it and made the Democrats a Leftist party.

But third party people for the most part are afraid to try to move into control a major party. They don’t think they could succeed. But the fact is no movement goes from a party with one or two percent support to a party with over 50 percent support in an instant. What they do is take votes from the major party most like them, thus electing the major party least like them. The third party never gets enough votes to win. If the party least like them fails, that results in the dominance of the party most like them and it takes their voters back. That takes them out of the game completely.

But the splinter parties never learn. They keep thinking that they can go from next to nothing to over 50 percent in one election cycle. It has never happened. It never will.

What does a major party do when a splinter party takes a few million votes from them? They look at the few million the splinter party got and say we need all those plus some of the other party to win. Geting the splinter party votes will make some of our voters move to the other party. So that is not a solution. They conclude that the thing to do is to move closer to the other major parties positions. What would happens in real life if the libertarians ever get enough votes to take down a Republican, the Republicans will just move to the left as a result. They will figure getting 6 percent of the Democrat votes would be enought for a Republican victory while getting 100 percent of the libertarian votes would not.

The solution to change is what it has been for 140 years. Get in one of the existing party and change it to your liking.

Barry Goldwater tried it in the Republican party and failed. Reagan did it in the Republican party and succeeded. Back when the Demcocratic party was still dominated by Conservatives, Reagan was a Democrat. But he saw the liberals were well on theway to total control of the Democrats, so he became a Republican and took that party away from the Jerry Fords and other left leaning Republicans.

Will libertarians be astute enough to try a wining approach? Not likely. Third parties just never seem to learn.

57 posted on 01/30/2012 7:50:58 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican for Palin)
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To: adorno

“The tea party is dead.”

You’re wrong. Check out the huge conservative turnout in South Carolina. The lib Romneybots got their butts kicked.


58 posted on 01/30/2012 7:51:05 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: RobertClark

59 posted on 01/30/2012 7:51:21 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: IrishPennant

that is certainly my suspicion!


60 posted on 01/30/2012 7:57:54 PM PST by One Name
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To: Once-Ler

Wrong Mitt-bot,, what will make the GOP move further left is a Romney win. They will learn that they can do anything and the conservatives will still vote for them.
A bitter loss will make them court us.

And you dont get it,, no matter how much you stamp your feet, i don’t think it advances ANYTHING i believe in to support Mitt, a GOP establishment Ivy-league harvard liberal law school grad.
And don’t throw the supreme court at me,, i know where a Harvard grad Mass. Gov will go for appointments. He will appoint people as bad as Obama. No dice,,Mitt-bot


61 posted on 01/30/2012 7:58:09 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: neverdem

I’d say the GOP is losing its’ grip on the Tea Party. To heck with the GOP elites!


62 posted on 01/30/2012 7:58:24 PM PST by mplsconservative (Impeach Obama Now!)
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To: ilgipper
I wouldn't consider RINO Freshman Justin Amash (MI-3), Lou Barletta (PA-11), Charlie Bass (NH-2), Dan Benishek (MI-1), Chip Cravaack (MN-8), Robert Dold (IL-10), Mike Fitzpatrick (PA-8), Richard Hanna (NY-24), Nan Hayworth (NY-19) Joe Heck (NV-3), Tom Marino (PA-10), Pat Meehan (PA-7), Tom Reed (NY-29), David Rivera (FL-25), Jon Runyan (NJ-3), Steve Stivers (OH-15), or Scott Tipton (CO-3) as Tea Party pickups. I consider them anti-Obama wins.

Many of the legitimate Tea Party successes where helped by anti-Obama anger and many were just replacements of Republicans in Republican leaning districts. I'm not saying the Tea Party is irrelevant just not as powerful as most Freepers think.

63 posted on 01/30/2012 7:59:11 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican for Palin)
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To: mplsconservative

If Romney wins, my choice becomes a Liberal Harvard law grad,,, who believes in healthcare mandates, gun bans, loves muslims and abortion,
OR a Liberal Harvard law grad,,, who believes in healthcare mandates, gun bans, loves muslims and abortion,,,,

Sounds like a fine day to go 4wheeling,, or fishing.


64 posted on 01/30/2012 8:03:51 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
Wrong Mitt-bot,, what will make the GOP move further left is a Romney win. They will learn that they can do anything and the conservatives will still vote for them. A bitter loss will make them court us.

I heard that in 1992 From the Buchannan brigades. In 1994 we took the House and Senate but nominated Dole in 1996. Very similar situation to today don't you think? Dole lost...Did the party get the message in 1998 or 2000? Did the party become more conservative as they dropped the ball on Clinton's impeachment?

65 posted on 01/30/2012 8:05:30 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican for Palin)
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To: mplsconservative

If Romney wins, my choice becomes a Liberal Harvard law grad,,, who believes in healthcare mandates, gun bans, loves muslims and abortion,
OR a Liberal Harvard law grad,,, who believes in healthcare mandates, gun bans, loves muslims and abortion,,,,

Sounds like a fine day to go 4wheeling,, or fishing.


66 posted on 01/30/2012 8:05:55 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Once-Ler

The Tea Party ain’t dead. Just diluted and divided.

First of all, the Tea Party is not a Party . . . not yet.

Tea Partiers are shooting themselves where it hurts because we are giving about 50% to Newt, 30% to Mitt, and 20% to Rick.

A Party divided will not stand. Why Tea Party folks are giving 30% to Romney is beyond me other than they are desperate and think he is the only one who can beat 666.

Funny - 66.6 is about the percent of us against Romney.


67 posted on 01/30/2012 8:06:02 PM PST by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: neverdem

Add santorums numbers to Newt’s in Florida and it’s a blow out for Newt and Romney’s campaign would be over. The Tea Party is still splitting it’s vote.


68 posted on 01/30/2012 8:06:32 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: Once-Ler

The ‘proof’ of the Tea Party this election is the House.

Everyone rails about Romney now and, if they don’t get involved, they’ll rail again when the Republican Party presents them with 400 little Romneys as candidates for their House seats.

But 30 or so more TP/conservative House members would give us the Speakership.

I wish those bemoaning or praising the Tea Party would remember that before it’s too late.


69 posted on 01/30/2012 8:08:19 PM PST by mrsmith (What Tea Party nominee have you found for your House seat?)
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To: Once-Ler

But at least it ended Dole. If we do nothing more than end this Mitt crap once and for all,, thats enough for me. If he loses a general,, he’s gone for good.
He’s young enough that thats a useful thing! LOL


70 posted on 01/30/2012 8:09:39 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
Wrong Mitt-bot

I have not mentioned Romney once in this thread. I have talked about the Tea Party. Could you please try to stay on topic?

71 posted on 01/30/2012 8:10:41 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican for Palin)
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To: tet68
"What they don’t understand is that the Tea Party is just beginning to get a grip on the GOP, it’s a matter of demographics, the more young Tea party reps we put in place the sooner they will be the majority of the party."

"That day IS coming."

Now THAT is a plan! Agree

72 posted on 01/30/2012 8:14:22 PM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: adorno

The tea party is dead?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwVV3LxJViM


73 posted on 01/30/2012 8:14:27 PM PST by tsowellfan (If its between Obama and Romney, there isnt all that much difference - George Soros)
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To: Once-Ler

Yes,, but your history is filled with examples of you riding to the rescue of Miss Mitt on many many threads.
jimrob hasn’t been too friendly to that viewpoint lately,,


74 posted on 01/30/2012 8:14:31 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: adorno
The tea party is dead.

It was a once in a lifetime phenomenon, and it served its purpose in 2010, but, it’s disorganized and leaderless and basically useless.

At a time when it’s needed to the most, it’s nowhere to be found.

Are you posting on Free Republic or some alternative universe? We the People are right here where you are posting your doom and gloom. Are our words pointless to you? Do we not exist? Do you have to see some Occupy Wall Street nonsense on the MSM news to give you evidence that a movement exists? Was South Carolina even on your radar?

Lots of questions to you, I realize, but buck up for goodness sakes! If we fail in Florida, we regroup and rise to meet another day. Have faith!

75 posted on 01/30/2012 8:14:51 PM PST by mplsconservative (Impeach Obama Now!)
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To: Once-Ler
Many of the legitimate Tea Party successes where helped by anti-Obama anger

And just who were these anti-Obama voters? Tea party participants, of course.

76 posted on 01/30/2012 8:16:21 PM PST by upsdriver (We Tea Partiers need Sarah Palin for president.)
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To: DesertRhino
But at least it ended Dole. If we do nothing more than end this Mitt crap once and for all,, thats enough for me. If he loses a general,, he’s gone for good.

It reelected Clinton. Can't think of anything bad about that? try reading the FR archives and refresh your memory. Losing to Obama didn't end McCain's career. Losing a Presidential run didn't stop Ron Paul for the last 20 years.

77 posted on 01/30/2012 8:19:10 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican for Palin)
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To: neverdem

Hoping the Tea Party separates itself from the GOP and becomes its own party. The GOP does not appear to embrace conservatism. doing something akin to Ronald Reagan’s reference to not leaving the Democratic Party, the Dems left him. Well, today, I’m not leaving the GOP — it has left me, and good riddance! Should the GOP’s anointed one, Mitt Romney, get the nomination, Obama and company will make mince meat with its class warfare vendetta.


78 posted on 01/30/2012 8:20:29 PM PST by Ranger Warrior ("To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Jim Robinson

Divide and conquer. Our problem is that the Tea Partiers are not able to consolidate their votes behind one candidate. The decentralized structure of the Tea Party is it’s strength, but also its weakness. Right now Tea Party votes are split between Newt, Santorum, and Ron Paul, so Romney is winning. If Santorum would get out of the race or if his supporters would wise up, Newt’s winning would be a cinch and the Tea Party would be exercising real power that could not be ignored.

The same thing happened with McCain’s primary election in AZ in 2008. The AZ Tea Partiers were split between JD Hayworth and a nobody by the name of Jim Deakin. Between that split and McCain spending $23 million in negative ads against JD, JD didn’t have a chance in the end. Sound familiar? History is repeating itself. Wake up Tea Party and make a business decision. Vote Newt!


79 posted on 01/30/2012 8:22:16 PM PST by Bizhvywt
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To: upsdriver
And just who were these anti-Obama voters? Tea party participants, of course.

Do you believe their are no moderates that voted against Obama in 2010? Interesting.

80 posted on 01/30/2012 8:24:01 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican for Palin)
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To: DesertRhino
Yes,, but your history is filled with examples of you riding to the rescue of Miss Mitt on many many threads.

BS

81 posted on 01/30/2012 8:24:16 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican for Palin)
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To: neverdem

More like:

The GOP is losing its grip on the Tea Party.

At some point, there won’t be room for both in one party.

No sense waiting.


82 posted on 01/30/2012 8:26:40 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Escape the Rino preserve!)
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To: mrsmith

I agree. I am hoping to see more Tea Party backed winners in Congress. Change from the bottom up. Would have liked to see a Tea Party candidate emerge from Congress or from a governorship to be a real “Tea Party” candidate for president. Someone who got there with the backing of the Tea Party, and then has an actual voting record to show they walk the walk. But we just won congressional seats in 2010—we’ve only begun to fight.


83 posted on 01/30/2012 8:30:10 PM PST by Fu-fu2
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To: datura

If Newt is denied the nomination by the establishment, and they force Mittens on us, Newt should run as the Tea Party candidate third party.

What is there to lose? There is virtually no difference in the policies of Mittens or Obozo.
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Well said and very true.


84 posted on 01/30/2012 8:32:30 PM PST by Leto (Damn shame Sarah didn't run the Presidency was there for the taking)
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To: Once-Ler
Do you believe their are no moderates that voted against Obama in 2010? Interesting.

Personally, I don't give much thought to moderates. They aren't worth a pail of piss.

85 posted on 01/30/2012 8:33:57 PM PST by upsdriver (We Tea Partiers need Sarah Palin for president.)
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To: DesertRhino

My FRiend if Romney gets the nom, that is the day I officially go independent. Snake is the kindest word I can use to describe him.

I was at the rally in MN when McStain said 0bama was a good man. Thought the secret service was going to drag me out of the high school I was yelling at him so loud. I was in the majority though so I guess they gave me a pass.

This really is a turning point for this Nation. I will not go quietly. I will not conform and to h@ll with the GOPe!


86 posted on 01/30/2012 8:34:11 PM PST by mplsconservative (Impeach Obama Now!)
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To: Bizhvywt
The same thing happened with McCain’s primary election in AZ in 2008. The AZ Tea Partiers were split between JD Hayworth and a nobody by the name of Jim Deakin. Between that split and McCain spending $23 million in negative ads against JD, JD didn’t have a chance in the end.

McCain won the primary with 58% Add Hayworth's 30% and Deakin's 11.5% and it seems like people just didn't like Hayworth that much. Perhaps some conservative were turned off by Hayworth's big spending record in congress and infomercials showing how we can all suckle at the teat of the federal government for just 3 easy payments of $19.99

87 posted on 01/30/2012 8:34:21 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican for Palin)
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To: upsdriver
Personally, I don't give much thought to moderates. They aren't worth a pail of piss.

Then I suspect I won't read anything of value when you post.

88 posted on 01/30/2012 8:39:51 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican for Palin)
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To: Once-Ler
Then I suspect I won't read anything of value when you post.

Probably not. We are on different wavelengths.

89 posted on 01/30/2012 8:46:17 PM PST by upsdriver (We Tea Partiers need Sarah Palin for president.)
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To: neverdem

Dang. Another backwards headline.


90 posted on 01/30/2012 8:49:58 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Once-Ler
I'm not saying the Tea Party is irrelevant just not as powerful as most Freepers think.

Some (many?) Freepers are surprisingly gullible when it comes to assessing potency of actions or movements. They have their blind spots and come to believe their own assertions. For instance, some hold that pollsters are always wrong, even when they are right, even when it shows our guy (Newt) expanding his lead, pulling away and eventually winning as he did in SC. The polls charted that trajectory, but some Freepers take that as evidence that the polls were wrong.

Freepers can be just as delusional and in denial as our ideological opposites. It is just that the Freeper blind spots are different than those of, say, the Media or the illiberal elite.

91 posted on 01/30/2012 8:50:03 PM PST by nwrep
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To: nwrep

Thanx for your reply. I like your homepage picture of Dubya


92 posted on 01/30/2012 8:59:20 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican for Palin)
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To: Once-Ler

See what I mean? An inability to make a business decision and get rid of McCain.


93 posted on 01/30/2012 9:10:26 PM PST by Bizhvywt
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To: neverdem

It’s the source, stupid. Not you neverdem. I would never shoot the messenger. But the source of this diabolic hit piece, is extremely biased. And, the only thing clear about their politics, is that they lean far left, almighty. IMO


94 posted on 01/30/2012 9:21:40 PM PST by takenoprisoner (Constitutional Conservatism is Americanism.)
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To: Once-Ler

Bottom line is Christie and Brown were better than the alternatives. The Tea Party shows wisdom by voting for the most conservative candidate who can win. The missteps were Christine O’Donnell and Sharon Angle (less so her conservatism then her lack of charisma). If there is one thing wrong with the Tea Party, it’s the lack of money/fundraising. If they had enough money on their side to fund Newt to be better competitive with Romney, Newt would win. What this election is proving is that ideology cannot trump money, unless perhaps the Tea Party had spent more time campaigning with boots on the ground in the last couple years to win moderates over to conservatism. Time is money, so the Tea Party can counter a lack of money with volunteering and time.


95 posted on 01/30/2012 9:49:36 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: factoryrat

Does the Tea Party ever do fundraisers? Maybe it’s time they took the money issue more seriously. First you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the conservative... If the Tea Party showed up at the GOP-E’s door with a dumptruck full of money, then you’d see some major changes in their attitude. We need to rely on someone more than Sheldon Adelson.


96 posted on 01/30/2012 9:53:10 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: napscoordinator
Tea party is 40 percent of the Republican party or more so there is no forcing Romney on us. It is the Tea Partiers who are not voting for Newt.

That's not the case. Romney is not getting 60% of the vote, which means those 40% may be voting for other candidates. I know the polls say some Tea Party votes are going to Romney, but I think they're asking people if they sympathize with the Tea Party for that number, not necessarily if they're actively engaged with it. Bottom line is if the Tea Party doesn't have money to donate to candidates or run their own ads, then they aren't going to be able to compete with someone like Romney with all of Wall Street behind him. All I can think is you need to spend more time with boots on the ground on a daily basis non-stop trying to educate people on what a true conservative is, or getting them signed up on a mailing list or something.

97 posted on 01/30/2012 9:57:13 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: Once-Ler

But as someone indicated above, the key for the Tea Party is to push the limits of how conservative our candidates can be by controlling the primary process. We have a long way to go to convince people to vote conservative as opposed to just voting to throw out the bums of one party and put the other party in. But as long as we constantly have conservatives up in the primaries then we will get them in when the tide turns the way of our party instead of getting the “safe, electable” RINOs in. More fundamental change might involve actually changing voters’ minds, which is something that probably takes marketing and money.


98 posted on 01/30/2012 10:07:34 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: Leto

I’d like to see Newt as a third party candidate, but what are his chances if he can’t even defeat Mitt in a Republican primary? I guess it’d be worth it just to see him debate Obama.


99 posted on 01/30/2012 10:16:08 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: McGavin999
Without the tea party the GOP would be smaller then the Green Party.

I don't think the GOP realizes that it needs the Tea Party movement more than the Tea Party movement needs it. Romney and the establishment Republicans are doing everything they can to scorch the earth, and all they are doing is ensuring their defeat.

They will not defeat the Conservatives, because even if God forbid, Romney gets the nomination, they still will not be able to win without the Tea Party movement.
100 posted on 01/30/2012 11:21:58 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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