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Ron Paul Tells CNN’s Piers Morgan Only “Honest Rape” Warrants An Abortion. (Honest Rape?)
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Posted on 02/05/2012 6:59:20 PM PST by mnehring

Edited on 02/05/2012 7:06:55 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

During an appearance on CNN’s Piers Morgan, GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul was asked whether as a man with daughters and granddaughters, Rep. Paul (R-TX) thinks that abortion is warranted if a woman has been impregnated by a rapist.

“If it’s an honest rape,” Paul replied, “that individual should go immediately to the emergency room, I would give them a shot of estrogen.” He claimed, however, that if a woman is “seven months pregnant” and says that she was raped, “It’s a little bit of a different story.” Source


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: abortion; moralabsolutes; prolife; rape; rino; ronpaul
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I guess there was one last shark for Paul to jump.
1 posted on 02/05/2012 6:59:33 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

I think its pretty obvious what he meant. I think its pretty obvious he’s right.


2 posted on 02/05/2012 7:03:17 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mnehring

3 posted on 02/05/2012 7:03:25 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: Coleus; EternalVigilance

Ping,
Paul even describes how he would perform the abortion in the case of ‘honest rape’.


4 posted on 02/05/2012 7:04:50 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Ron alter Paul is a freaking moron.
Ron alterPaul is delusional, I am beginning to think he needs to be put away.


5 posted on 02/05/2012 7:04:50 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: mamelukesabre

You are as moronic as alterPaul.


6 posted on 02/05/2012 7:05:41 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: mnehring

How things evolved:

First there was “rape”.
Then there was “rape rape”.
Now we have “honest rape”.

What terminology will they think of next?


7 posted on 02/05/2012 7:06:05 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: mnehring

Not surprising. His pro-life credentials were shaky, at best.


8 posted on 02/05/2012 7:06:18 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: mamelukesabre

Irregardless, this demonstrates alterPaul is NOT pro-life.
alterPaul is a fracking fraud.


9 posted on 02/05/2012 7:07:39 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: mamelukesabre

So you support executing children for the crimes of the father??

Sick


10 posted on 02/05/2012 7:07:51 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

The way this is going, the PC police will call it “Permission Challenged Intercourse”


11 posted on 02/05/2012 7:09:30 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

I am beginning to not like Ron Paul. He has no chance to win.


13 posted on 02/05/2012 7:14:47 PM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: mnehring

I am beginning to not like Ron Paul. He has no chance to win.


14 posted on 02/05/2012 7:15:06 PM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: surroundedbyblue

“Not surprising. His pro-life credentials were shaky, at best.”

Yup.

“Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)

Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)

Rated 56% by the NRLC, indicating a mixed record on abortion. (Dec 2006)”

snip http://www.issues2000.org/Ron_Paul.htm#Abortion

Why is Ron Paul against a parent deciding what’s right for their minor child?


15 posted on 02/05/2012 7:16:19 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: mnehring

It’s obvious what he mean’t. I can understand taking offense because well, it’s Wrong Paul....but I believe that the majority of American voters would agree with his sentiment.


16 posted on 02/05/2012 7:16:19 PM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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To: mamelukesabre

Oh, I absolutely understand what he meant.

If there’s an exemption for rape (and I think there should be), it should be rape and not someone just claiming rape after sex with a boyfriend that resulted in a pregnancy.

People will abuse anything.


17 posted on 02/05/2012 7:16:19 PM PST by altura
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To: mnehring

Don’t know what “honest rape” is and I’d bet the human being Ron Paul says it’s all right to abort doesn’t either.

Pathetic!


18 posted on 02/05/2012 7:17:08 PM PST by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: svcw

Irregardless?


19 posted on 02/05/2012 7:17:48 PM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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To: mamelukesabre

Abortion is wrong because it kills an innocent baby, NOT because it lets the woman off the hook (being punished by pregnancy).


21 posted on 02/05/2012 7:18:07 PM PST by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: surroundedbyblue
NOTE: the pro-abortion after rape folks use a slightly different argument. They claim that any child is also party to the crime as a trespasser.

So what you have to do to avoid letting them go off on that particular high dudgeon rant is flip to "darned shame we don't execute the rapists".

That short circuits their argument and puts them into a totally different sticky wicket many of them aren't able to deal with.

Most Leftwingtards will give up in exaspiration, turn their backs on you and probably call you a name.

Those just this side of pro-life (but still actually pro-abortion), who think they are conservative, might take up the argument of executing rapists.

That's just a guide to debates.

Now, executing the chillun' for the crimes of the father? You and I know what these pukes are proposing ~ but it's best to use the old "a soft word turneth away wrath" option first ~ even if we do propose killing the rapist. It's one of the few instances where killing someone can be considered the "soft word".

22 posted on 02/05/2012 7:19:10 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: surroundedbyblue; mamelukesabre

Do you support the nine to ten month imprisonment of a rape victim to ensure that her rapists seed is brought to term?


23 posted on 02/05/2012 7:20:19 PM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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To: Christie at the beach

Sorry for the double post.


24 posted on 02/05/2012 7:21:27 PM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: mamelukesabre

So then you are fine with the morning after pill? It is the same thing, just in pill form. What Paul describes is the older way, probably how he did it when he was an OBGYN. Now, they just give them an RU486 pill.


25 posted on 02/05/2012 7:21:59 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mamelukesabre

mamelukesabre: “I think its pretty obvious what he meant. I think its pretty obvious he’s right.”

Agreed. I’m sick of the way people demonize everyone who isn’t their candidate. Ron Paul says some things I agree with and some things I disagree with. It’s dishonest to try and warp what he says into something it’s not. Seriously. I despise the way people parse everything a candidate says in order to demonize them. Why do some people feel the need to destroy everyone who isn’t their candidate?


26 posted on 02/05/2012 7:23:12 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Anyone can do it. Good is more work but worth it!)
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To: Grunthor
Do you support the nine to ten month imprisonment of a rape victim to ensure that her rapists seed is brought to term?

So, you don't want them 'punished with a child'? Where have I heard that line before?

27 posted on 02/05/2012 7:24:03 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Grunthor
Since DNA is so incredibly definitive, would you support us in simply moving from ID'ing the rapist to his immediate execution in a sort of foreshortened due process?

You could do this at home with nothing more than a couple of wires appropriately placed and a 210 plug.

Or, would you demand we use licensed medical practitioners who inject various drugs?

28 posted on 02/05/2012 7:24:09 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: svcw
You know what he means and if you don't you probably wouldn't be able to follow the explanation. And I am not a Ron Paul supporter. This board use to be rich with good honest political discussion. Now it's just a bunch of name calling and people trying to get a zinger in or act like they are some sort of bad ass. Start using your brain and argue your point. Prove your idea has merit. Don't just resort to name calling. Over what issues should Ron Paul be put away. Prove you have some intellect by providing documented proof that is so damning that a court should establish guardianship over his actions. I haven't really heard him say anything that George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, or Madison hasn't said or inferred in the past. If Ron Paul is delusional then are they as well?
29 posted on 02/05/2012 7:25:45 PM PST by lynn4303
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To: mnehring

Right and who is going to determine what is an ‘honest’ rape. A shot of estrogen? This guy’s off his nut.


30 posted on 02/05/2012 7:26:10 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: mnehring

Honestly ....He’s kuh rayyyyy zeeeee.


31 posted on 02/05/2012 7:26:44 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: surroundedbyblue
So you support executing children for the crimes of the father??

What effect would the killing of an adulteress have upon any unborn child that might exist as a consequence of such adultery? Do you think such effect would be intentional or unintentional? I see nothing in Mosaic law that would suggest that an adulteress should be allowed to live long enough to bear her child; indeed, I would expect that giving adulterer the satisfaction of having spawned someone who would outlive him would have been considered a bad thing.

32 posted on 02/05/2012 7:27:01 PM PST by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: mnehring
"Why go with 'Honest Rape' when you can have 'DISHONEST RAPE' ?!?

If you want 'DISHONEST' it's 'DISHONEST JOHN!', 1-800-DISHONEST!


ps: RON PAUL! RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL!!!!!

33 posted on 02/05/2012 7:27:01 PM PST by mkjessup
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To: mnehring

Honestly ....He’s kuh rayyyyy zeeeee.


34 posted on 02/05/2012 7:27:16 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: mnehring; muawiyah

“Do you support the nine to ten month imprisonment of a rape victim to ensure that her rapists seed is brought to term?”

It really is a yes or no question.


35 posted on 02/05/2012 7:27:16 PM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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To: Grunthor

Who said anything about imprisonment??

My position is abortion is wrong even in cases of rape. Those why support the rape exception are not pro-life & are woefully misguided if they think they are.


36 posted on 02/05/2012 7:27:42 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: mamelukesabre; All

An “Honest” Rape is when a woman is violated against her will. Not when some girl gives it up for her boyfriend and then screams rapes, or some “wife” comes home from a business trip, after banging her boss in the hotel, and tells her husband he raped her. Due to the line of work I’m in, I know scenarios like these happen all the time.


37 posted on 02/05/2012 7:27:42 PM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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To: CitizenUSA
Ron Paul simply demonized himself. He knows the majority of people now believe that abortion is murder or should be.

If he had the sense God gave a goose he'd kept his mouth shut on the issue.

38 posted on 02/05/2012 7:27:51 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
It is not the fault of Congressman Paul (nor even of Ms. Goldberg) that our society has expanded the application of the word "rape" from the heinous crime it originally described to include consensual sexual intercourse when one party is deemed by virtue of a legal convention, or in some cases a legal fiction, to have been 'incapable of giving consent', or in the feverswamps of the academic left to seemingly include sexual intercourse the woman later comes to regret, or by the most lunatic of feminists to include all heterosexual intercourse.

(Incidentally, Ms. Goldberg was wrong: Polanski's actions not only satisfied the definition of rape on the basis of his victim's age, but on the basis of the classical definition, since she said "no" until he plied her with quaaludes until she said neither yes nor no, and thus was "rape rape" to use her way of distinguishing the traditionally understood heinous crime from its expanded redefinition.)

39 posted on 02/05/2012 7:27:59 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: surroundedbyblue

“Who said anything about imprisonment??”

How do you expect to force rape victims to carry their attackers seed to term with it?


40 posted on 02/05/2012 7:30:37 PM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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To: svcw

Love your tagline, but, just as an FYI; there is no such word as “irregardless”. If you think about it, if there was such a word, it would mean the same thing as the standard word, “regardless”. Just sayin’......


41 posted on 02/05/2012 7:30:54 PM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

“Who said anything about imprisonment??”

How do you expect to force rape victims to carry their attackers seed to term withOUT it?


42 posted on 02/05/2012 7:30:54 PM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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To: Grunthor
Your imagination is remarkably limited isn't it.

Look, it's very simple. If you want to outlaw abortion and allow for an abortion/incest exception, you have to wrap up your dealings with the rapist before you can do the abortion.

I hope you understand that.

We might need to bring him back several times to do various tests just to make sure we have not got a false positive, or that he's got a twin, or triplet, or whatever. It could take months before we get to the point where he can be positively identified and then executed.

So, what if we made a mistake, and it's not his kid in there ~ our prohibition on abortion would apply. He might get off eh! Everybody walks away alive. However, if rape is a crime worth killing somebody, then we must logically kill the rapist first!

43 posted on 02/05/2012 7:32:59 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: mamelukesabre
I think that Ron Paul is a clown ,and his statement about "honest rape " is stupid

but I have no problem with a woman getting treatment

44 posted on 02/05/2012 7:37:53 PM PST by Charlespg
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To: mnehring

Honest rape? So that leads to an honest abortion? We can all feel better that everything is honest now.


45 posted on 02/05/2012 7:38:47 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: Grunthor

Although I feel your question is simply antagonistic I will answer it.

Women deserve loving support after abortion. Instead, many feel pressured to abort their child. There are countless stories relaying this same theme over & over: the victim is made to feel she shouldn’t want such a child, that it is expected of her to abort, and that the victim then becomes, in her mind, a murder. These women typically feel even more isolated following the abortion & don’t seek help because they perceive that something is wrong with them for feeling bad about killing their child. Tragic.

Large numbers of women who abort after rape report that coping with the rape was far easier than dealing with the abortion.

You really should seek to educate yourself on this. These children have a right to live just as much as you do. Who exactly do you think you are to say otherwise?


46 posted on 02/05/2012 7:40:10 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: Charlespg

So abortion is treatment??


47 posted on 02/05/2012 7:41:37 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: mnehring

Sorry, but rape is not the baby’s fault. It is wrong to kill a baby in any circumstances. Rape is a terrible thing, but it won’t make the mother feel any better to get raped and then to kill her own baby. Most mothers who abort their children, even if they have been brainwashed by libs and think it’s OK, feel terribly depressed about it afterwards.

The best solution is to have the child and if the mother decides that she cannot bring the child up, then to adopt it out.

Ron Paul is a moral idiot.


48 posted on 02/05/2012 7:43:18 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Grunthor

wasting your time arguing with zealots. If my wife were raped there’s no way she’d keep that baby. (we have 3 kids). You can be pro life and still understand a woman not wanting to carry a child conceived through a violent rape.


49 posted on 02/05/2012 7:43:26 PM PST by strider44
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