Posted on 02/08/2012 3:37:31 PM PST by red flanker
Rick Santorum backed Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey in 2004. It was a tough race with Toomey mounting a credible, well-financed challenge.
Toomey’s candidacy, by his own estimation, was one of the precursors to the Tea Party movement:
The “battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party” between big spending moderates and committed conservatives that was evident in 2004 may have inspired subsequent Tea Party efforts, Toomey suggested. Despite losing out on key endorsements from leading Republican figures in 2004, Toomey believes his primary campaign created a strong foundation for conservative activism that translated into victory in 2010.
Santorum not only backed Specter, he cut a commercial for him.
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He's establishment. He's a conservative of convenient who talks up marriage and life as cover for his record.
You know, Clinton was my governor before being elected president. I wrote that he’d have a constant stream of women in and out of the oval office and was ridiculed in print! Santorum was right not to want to go forward with impeachment for this. To be honest, nearly all the democratic presidents, and a couple republican ones had also had dalliances going on. That was not a reason to impeach. We SHOULD have tried to impeach on articles of treason, for selling the Chinese our submarine intelligence and other things, lots of them. But letters to our Congressmen/women were not returned. Some were taking up the issue, but it was not making traction where it needed to be. Anyway, the point is that his infidelity and his lying about it were not really impeachable things, just contempt of court issues. Anytime republicans take issue with democrats on character issues, it never ends pretty for the republicans. They then went after several republicans who then resigned or were asked to step down, and though most of them were later exonerated, it was not publicly. The republicans were making a circus out of the whole affair. I’m glad that someone had the sense to stop it. It should’ve been handled in a private manner, not open public hearings. I was living overseas by then and it was embarrassing. The world was not shocked by his behavior...they had read enough about him to know what he was going to do, but they felt that we republicans had handled the issue poorly.
The Christian manner of dealing with this type of thing is to talk to the person privately. If that does not work, you take your clergy, or his, and talk with the person. IF that does not help, you then denounce the person publicly. Bill Clinton did not run as a conservative, you remember. He made no pretenses of being a conservative. Before him, you had Barney Franks affair with an intern and running a gay brothel from his home, with no penalties. To me, that was a breach of trust because of the abuse of the young intern, and if the public pays rent for the Congressman’s house, then that was criminal use. He should’ve been thrown out. So, this was small potatoes in relation to that. I realize you must hate Santorum, but had you been in his shoes, you might have done the same thing. To save the republicans from the total disaster of making a fool of themselves, and they were well on the way to it.
I will take a politician like Toomey any day over any democrat counterpart. In real world we must live in, no one is pure as white snow. We must look at overall effect. Even Sarah Palin endorsed McCain in his senate bid against a much more conservative candidate.
Wango-Tango! Home Run!! Bravo, encore!!!
Not again...Analysis that is quite a stretch, to say the least.
Santorum would not have won his previous races without Specter’s strong backing, especially the 49-47 victory over Worford in 1994. It would have required a lack of integrity on the part of Santorum to have not returned the favor when Specter found his own self in a pinch. Specter had also been a staunch and outspoken opponent of such health care schemes in the past.
And while it is possible, there is no guarantee that Toomey would have been able to defeat Hoeffel in the general election, as Kerry carried the state at the top of the ticket. Odds are probably against. Hoeffel would have certainly been right there voting for Obamacare had he been in the Senate rather than Toomey or Specter.
Let’s stick with reality when it comes to analysis...that isn’t asking too much.
No, I don’t hate Santorum. I have read your post twice now, and copied it to read again later.
I do think your word “circus” - from what I have read so far - is really spot on...
I could go into a long boring discourse about what I really don’t like about Sanctimonium is the way he abrogates the work of Christ with his so-called quality character so much better than Newt’s, and the fact a few days ago in CO, he told a group of evangelicals, “God called me to do this.”
But it’s late and I’m tired, though I am going to chew on your post a bit more when I get some time... I just think all of them should be put in a major time-out until they grow up...
Rick Santorum, megalomaniac mental case.
Pond scum lawyer is being bankrolled by Romney supporters (stalking horse) and voted to force workers to belong to unions and pay dues against their will, then lost by 17% in his reelection because he endorsed Specter over Toomey.
Specter then voted for Obamacare.
Then he endorses that degenerate Romney in 2008, and his family in Italy are all communists.
Yeah, a real “conservative”
HE’LL STAY IN THE RACE LONG ENOUGH TO ENSURE THE MORMON BISHOPS CORONATION AND THEN CUT A DEAL WITH THE CULTIST.
I guess winning Missouri is easy when Gingrich isn’t even on the ballot.
He should go back to chasing ambulances.
Important point. The congressmen certainly knew about those things, they knew about the corruption and treason, but for whatever reason they weren't allowed to go after those things. So they went after him on what was by comparison extremely small potatoes.
For something that mattered hardly at all, we got Ken Starr and endless investigations (that went no where). For something that really did matter, we got a supposed investigation bottled up in the Justice Department, that was quietly shelved after GW became president.
So, whats up with that?
Clinton met with the head of the Chinese military industries more often than he met with Monica, and the DNC had to return millions of Chinese dollars, but the GOP grandees didn't think that was worth impeachment or even a hearing.
Specter was actually up in 2010, not 2008. Senators serve 6 year terms.
However, noteworthy is the fact at that the time of Santorum’s endorsement, Specter had a strong history of opposing such health care schemes, and is regarded as one of the key architects in illustrating how horrific government run healthcare was back in the debate over Hillarycare. He directed his staff to make a complete list of all of the boards, commissions, etc. that would have created a bureaucratic nightmare and they in turn used it to create a chart for him - Senator Bob Dole used the chart in his response to Clinton’s State of the Union address and he referred to it as his ‘best friend’. The chart helped to illustrate to the public how awful this kind of healthcare scheme is.
Here’s a video of Specter from 1994 on the floor of the Senate discussing the chart:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73WIYWWiAlA&feature=related
Well, couldn't somebody just reopen that investigation...
Integrity vs morality, maybe integrity vs honesty, how about integrity vs actual beliefs - is there a place where I can look that up for politicians?
Since when does returning a favor rank even close to anything else that most profess to be actual - you know decent traits for politicians?
Ah, the cut and paste nonsense returns, with a few added inaccuracies. Gingrich was on the ballot in the other two contests from the same day which you conveniently left out.
Here it is in Herman German... Nine! Nine! Nine!!!
And here I thought you were getting too tired to reply anymore today... Pfffffft!!!
Yet another hit piece, you need to get over it Red.
That’s not a response to what I said. Try sticking to the facts rather than emotion.
IT’S WORTH REMINDING EVERYONE HOW THIS MONSTROSITY BECAME THE LAW OF THE LAND, AND WHO IS MOST RESPONSIBLE.
IF YOU DON’T WANT TO WADE THROUGH THE WHOLE THING JUST READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH:
Evil, or just Stupid?
October/November 2009 and ObamaCare was stalled in the House, the main sticking point being government funded abortions. There were enough Dems opposed to abortion that refused to vote for the ObamaCare if it contained any abortion language that it would not pass.
Representative Stupak (D) MI introduced his amendment that prohibited any government money from ObamaCare bill being used to fund abortions. This essentially would end all abortions, as no medical procedures outside the ObamaCare System can be done. No going to a doctor and paying him directly for anything. Thus, with his amendment, ALL abortions would be illegal.
This amendment to the House bill, if it passed, would give the above ‘Pro-Life’ Democrats a green light to vote for the ObamaCare bill.
Not enough Democrats supported the Stupak Amendment for it to pass. Many Democrats were vociferously opposed to it. It could only pass with Republican votes.
National Right to Life favored the Stupak Amendment, and insisted that Republicans vote for it. Further, they threatened any Republican who didn’t vote for it with their active opposition to that Republican during the 2010 fall election.
The Republicans caved, even those who could see the eventual outcome, right down to the last man. One hundred percent voted for the Stupak Amendment, along with a bunch of Dems who were opposed to abortions. Stupak handily passed.
Nobody believed the Amendment would stick; eventually it would/will be overridden in some fashion and Government funded abortion would become part of ObamaCare. Abortion is the Prime Sacrament of the Left, and will not be denied government funding, let alone be made illegal.
With a green light, the ’Pro-Life’ Dems could vote for ObamaCare, and although many hard-line Leftists were angry, enough of them also could see the end game, and agreed to vote pass ObamaCare.
A couple days later ObamaCare passed the House.
Everyone knew how this would play out, and it did. Rush spoke about it on his show.
I am of the opinion even National Right to Life knew it would play out this way. I’m not aware of anyone who thought otherwise. That leaves us with two opinions of their leadership;
The NRTL is Stupid Strategy;
1. They are so locked into their ‘stop abortion at all costs’ viewpoint that they can’t operate with a strategy that goes beyond 24 hours. Liberals like to say that ‘conservatives are stupid and easily lead’, this situation is circumstantial proof that Leftists are right from time to time. This is the NRTL Stupid Strategy.
OR
The NRTL is Evil Strategy;
2. They were in cahoots with the Pro-Abort crowd on this, and were complicit in getting ObamaCare passed in the House, ObamaCare which will include a monthly premium from all of us to fund abortions. This would be the NRTL Evil Strategy.
Either way, too stupid, or just evil, they are unfit to lead the movement to reduce or end abortions. Their thuggish actions have brought us to the brink of the enslavement of 300 million Americans, ending of the most advanced medical care in the entire history of the world, and will lead, ironically, to Chinese style government mandated and government funded abortions.
I am unaware of any other organization which has played such a pivotal role against Americans and babies in the ObamaCare fight as National Right to Life has.
Don’t tell me, let me guess, you support Tricky Ricky Sanctimonium - I can always spot you judgmental rigid humorless holier-than-thou types a mile away...
Actually, some of the interesting thoughtful posts here (not any of yours to be sure) have rejuvenated me...
I think you need a nap, though.
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