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MIT suggests new physical model for condensed matter
Arxiv.org and Vortex-L ^ | Feb 8 2012 | David Ledin

Posted on 02/09/2012 8:49:53 PM PST by Kevmo


[Vo]: MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter

The Vorts have some great comments about this theory.

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg63015.html
David ledin Tue, 07 Feb 2012 07:40:12 -0800
MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter to explain many
observations of anomalies in condensed matter systems. they named
Fleischmann , Pons and Piantelli but not rossi .

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.4377.pdf



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http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg63024.html
Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint Tue, 07 Feb 2012 10:07:44 -0800
The key phrase in the abstract is:
"In the resulting model, there appears a new term in which nuclear
transitions
are coupled to lattice vibrations."

I wonder if Hagelstein has been reading Znidarsic's work?
:-)

-m



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Rich Murray Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:00:43 -0800
A scientific layman's quick assessment:

a gifted theoretical physicist and colleague have been working
steadily for years with experimenters --

they carefully studied and rejected many theoretical dead ends for
various anomalous phenomena --

finally they started to apply standard theoretical routes, while
starting fresh with a comprehensive overview that held the nuclear
level and the electronic level together on an equal basis --

finding new subtleties that indicate transactions between nuclear and
electronic levels that so far seem may turn out to fit the puzzling
experimental data --

publishing results quickly in many papers, thus inviting public
critical examination by their peers --

thus, all the hallmarks of mature scientific breakthrough...




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Rich Murray Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:20:12 -0800
more and more, faster and faster, capable professionals will explore
this breakthrough, while we amateurs will be left yipping in the
yard...

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Rich Murray wrote:

>> A scientific layman's quick assessment:
...
>> thus, all the hallmarks of mature scientific breakthrough...
>
> And your point is . . .?



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Axil Axil Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:09:05 -0800
Regarding (emphasis added):



These experimental results, and many others, have motivated us to explore
new models that might be relevant. A major issue that we have been
interested in is the *possibility of coherent energy exchange between
quantum systems with mismatched **characteristic energies*, which we
considered to be the biggest theoretical problem associated with the
anomalies. Coherent energy exchange between mismatched quantum systems
occurs in high harmonic generation [22], so we know that it is
possible in principle.
However, there seems to be no analog to Corkum’s mechanism [23],[24] present
in the condensed matter system. A lesser version of the effect is known
within the multiphoton regime of the spin-boson model, which is used to
model basic linear interactions of two-level systems with an oscillator
[25],[26],[27]. We found that if the two-level system is augmented with
loss, the coherent energy exchange rate is increased dramatically. This is
due to the fact that destructive interference limits the rate at

which coherent energy exchange occurs in the spin-boson model, so
augmenting the

model with a mechanism that removes this destructive interference would be
expected
to improve coherent energy exchange rates [28],[29],[30],[31].

Coherence transfer between systems is indeed absolutely required.

The answer to this one is clear. Rossi has told us what does this job for
him.

“no analog to Corkum’s mechanism”...micro cavities that do this job.

Micro-cavities allows protons (one quantum system) to be made coherent in
the lattice via coherent lattice photons (another quantum system).

Put some protons in a micro-cavity and shake until coherent.

Rossi’s powder does this job. In the heavy water experiments,
micro-cavities have done the same job in that system but not as intensely
as it is done by the Rossi’s powder or Piantelli’s rough surface coating.

The are many new quantum mechanical experiments done recently that show how
quantum wells transfer coherence between quantum particle types of all
kinds.

I just saw one where a photon can spin a tinny quantum wheel...light to
mechanical energy.



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Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:40:13 -0800
Axil wrote:

"There are many new quantum mechanical experiments done recently that show
how quantum wells transfer coherence between quantum particle types of all
kinds. I just saw one where a photon can spin a tiny quantum wheel...light
to mechanical energy."



Here's the reference:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v482/n7383/full/nature10787.html



Yes, there have been several developments in the last few months about
coupling between different energy types. I think the pieces of the puzzle
will be coming together this year.

-Mark


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1 posted on 02/09/2012 8:50:08 PM PST by Kevmo
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2 posted on 02/09/2012 8:51:09 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Kevmo

hahaha!

I thought the title read: “Mitt suggests new physical model for condensed matter”


3 posted on 02/09/2012 9:01:51 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


4 posted on 02/09/2012 9:03:56 PM PST by Track9
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To: Kevmo

I know about condensed matter.

5 posted on 02/09/2012 9:10:00 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Romney just makes me tired all over.)
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To: All; y'all; et al
abstract of the theory:


Including nuclear degrees of freedom in a lattice Hamiltonian

P L Hagelstein1, I U Chaudhary2

1 Research Laboratory of Electronics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
Cambridge, MA 02139,USA
E-mail: plh@mit.edu
2 Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University of Engineering and
Technology, Lahore, Pakistan

E-mail: irfanc@mit.edu


Abstract.

Motivated by many observations of anomalies in condensed matter systems, we
consider a new fundamental Hamiltonian in which condensed matter and nuclear
systems are described initially on the same footing. Since it may be possible that
the lattice will respond to the mass change associated with a excited nuclear state, we
adopt a relativistic description throughout based on a many-particle Dirac formalism.
This approach has not been used in the past, perhaps due to the difficulty in separating
the center of mass and relative degrees of freedom of the nuclear system, or perhaps due
to an absence of applications for such a model. We recently found a way to separate
the center of mass and relative contributions to the Hamiltonian for the many-particle
Dirac model, which leads to somewhat different expressions for the kinematic mass,
Newton mass, and deBroglie mass of the many-particle Dirac composite. It is not clear
at this time whether such a difference is reflected in experiment. This separation allows
us to reduce the condensed matter and nuclear Hamiltonian into a more manageable
form. In the resulting model, there appears a new term in which nuclear transitions
are coupled to lattice vibrations.




6 posted on 02/09/2012 9:13:00 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Track9

Hmmmm,

Condensed matter, coherent light, oscillation, resonant frenquency, regenerative feedback.

Galt energy? :-)


7 posted on 02/09/2012 9:30:47 PM PST by DonnerT (After all is said and done, it is God's Will that will be done.)
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To: Kevmo

Association Time:

Kevmo is to cold fusion as

Willie Greene is to ........


8 posted on 02/09/2012 9:35:49 PM PST by super7man
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To: Kevmo

Could someone please translate this? It is a bunch of nonsense to me.


9 posted on 02/09/2012 9:42:42 PM PST by garjog (If not Newt, who?)
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To: garjog

Basically the theoretical physicists are groping for ways to show that vibration energy couples to the metal matrix in Nickel or Palladium, causing the Lattice Assisted Nuclear Reactions and excess heat.


10 posted on 02/09/2012 9:48:30 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: glock rocks

REAL friends PING their friends to threads!!!

:)


11 posted on 02/09/2012 9:54:03 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it....)
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To: garjog

It’s all about resonance, my boy, all about resonance. You want to be with it in the future, get resonance in the planar present using energy from the linear past.


12 posted on 02/09/2012 9:58:53 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Kevmo

bfl


13 posted on 02/09/2012 10:31:03 PM PST by reed13
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bttt


14 posted on 02/09/2012 10:33:32 PM PST by Milhous
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To: Kevmo
Did somebody mention Mit?


15 posted on 02/09/2012 10:42:54 PM PST by Dogbert41 ("...or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. " -Jesus)
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To: Kevmo
I was ready to believe until I got to this part.
Put some protons in a micro-cavity and shake until coherent.

Rossi’s powder does this job. In the heavy water experiments, micro-cavities have done the same job in that system but not as intensely as it is done by the Rossi’s powder or Piantelli’s rough surface coating.


16 posted on 02/09/2012 10:59:06 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
Basically the theoretical physicists are groping...

You may want to stop confusing people with your fancy scientific jargon.

17 posted on 02/09/2012 11:03:20 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: garjog
Sure. The claim is being made that the nucleus of excited (unstable) atoms can transfer energy to the lattice (the regular frame work the metal) by the change of some of the atom's mass into energy that is coherent (same wave length, etc.) as vibrations in the lattice.
Since the wave length isn't the same for each excess energy is produced as heat as the atomic nucleus becomes more stable.
But moving to a more stable state should produce a gamma ray which is why gamma rays were sought as proof that actual nuclear reactions were taking place.

The problem has been showing the two systems, lattice and nucleus, together can produce more energy than either or both separately operating.

That's my rather broad understanding of what is being claimed. I welcome any corrections.

18 posted on 02/09/2012 11:28:42 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: garjog
Could someone please translate this? It is a bunch of nonsense to me.

Yeah, that's the point: it is nonsense.

19 posted on 02/10/2012 12:33:09 AM PST by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: Moonman62
Rossi’s powder does this job.
It's probably a mistake to try to develop a theory based on the work of a con man.
20 posted on 02/10/2012 4:10:11 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
Cold fusion hocus pocus Abracadabra open sesame. SSDD

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"I don't know, therefore, cold fusion."
21 posted on 02/10/2012 4:32:56 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 ! We should take off and Newt washington from orbit.)
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To: mamelukesabre

>>“Mitt suggests new physical model for condensed matter”

Well, his MAss experiments do bring a manure spreader in a wind tunnel to mind.


22 posted on 02/10/2012 5:28:19 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Kevmo
>>groping for ways to show that vibration energy couples to the metal matrix


23 posted on 02/10/2012 5:33:49 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: garjog

——Could someone please translate this?——

I have alerted Dr Sheldon Cooper to the thread and hope he will give us his theoretical insight in language we can understand


24 posted on 02/10/2012 5:36:03 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Kevmo
Keanu Reeves - Vindicated!

Kidding aside, interesting article. This is the kind of theoretical work that is required in this field.

25 posted on 02/10/2012 5:48:50 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: bert

If Doctor Sheldon Cooper sees this thread, I hope he will feel inspired to answer the serious questions people have instead of dismissing us. I would appreciate even a reference to another thread or website where such serious discussion is taking place. There have been a couple comments above that are decent, but there is a lot of fluff here too.


26 posted on 02/10/2012 6:06:15 AM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: AFPhys

I applaud you efforts and your ability to use the resource of Free Republic to discuss a subject of interest to you and widely separated Freeper associates


27 posted on 02/10/2012 6:12:10 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Kevmo

This was all explained years ago by noted physicists Captain & Tennille in their paper MUSKRAT LOVE.


28 posted on 02/10/2012 7:22:48 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: garjog
Could someone please translate this? It is a bunch of nonsense to me.

Friend, I think you mean "What is the practical application?" because if there is not, it is time to take another Rip Van Winkle nap and see if the hypothesis survived. I studied quantum mechanics and wave mechanics over 40 years ago, and did some spectroscopy on "lattice" effects of point defects of "rigidized" materials, but that doesn't quite get me to the point of the "Run, Spot, run" level of barely grasping what this paper even hints at. Then, there were no microprocessors, no laser-read bar codes, no LEDs, no catalytic converters, no EPA, etc. Look where we are now!

What one might ponder on is that we have no concept of what a pure, truly pure, solid element might do; let alone how one only slightly doped might behave. But people are trying.

Where are you coming from? What will it take to bridge the gap between what you and I understand to what the writers are saying, in their own concise and clear lingo? Some here at FR do.

29 posted on 02/10/2012 8:24:04 AM PST by imardmd1 (Is emm cee squared really only aitch cee over lambda?)
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To: Kevmo

“metal matrix in Nickel or Palladium, causing the Lattice Assisted Nuclear Reactions and excess heat.”

That’s it! It is all so clear now! Wow. How did I miss that!

It is similar to the Turbo Encabulator effect. Can’t believe I missed this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7G7xOG2Ag&feature=related


30 posted on 02/10/2012 8:09:12 PM PST by garjog (If not Newt, who?)
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To: Moonman62

This will be my standard post to moonboy that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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31 posted on 02/10/2012 8:16:15 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: garjog; Lurker

Lurkers will take note that when we try to explain things at a lower level it is more often than not a way for some jerk to just yank our chain. That’s often why some of us are reluctant to bother any more. You can thank guys like garjog for this state of events.


32 posted on 02/10/2012 9:11:57 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Track9; AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; KevinDavis; ...

Thanks Track9.


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33 posted on 02/11/2012 6:10:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: LomanBill
>>>>> groping for ways to show that vibration energy couples to the metal matrix <<<<<

Guitars have also proven that the String Theory is correct. When Eric Clapton or BB King plays they go to another dimension -- all due to the results from their 'string vibrations' :-)

An aside: I've never tried Ernie Ball Slinkys. For about 25 years now I've been using nothing but D'Addario strings. When it's time to change the factory strings on my guitars, D'Addarios go on.

34 posted on 02/11/2012 7:45:13 AM PST by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: Condor51

In the matrix of humorous connotations, the volume of “Slinky” simply outweighs “D’Addario”.

Observe that binding MITt Romney with “Slinky” produces a humorous tone with warm and fuzzy qualities; Mitt Romney->D’Addarios, not so much.


35 posted on 02/11/2012 8:28:52 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill; Condor51

>>Mitt Romney->D’Addarios, not so much.

Except maybe when played on a device produced by the Joseph Smith’s Ity Bity Deseret Amplifier and Magic Underwear factory in Salt Lake City... with knobs that go up to 11 instead of 10!

{Bzzzzzzz} It’s the bee hive state, get it? {badumpump}


36 posted on 02/11/2012 8:39:55 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill
*** >>Mitt Romney->D’Addarios, not so much. ... Except maybe when played on a device produced by the Joseph Smith’s Ity Bity Deseret Amplifier and Magic Underwear factory in Salt Lake City... with knobs that go up to 11 instead of 10! ***

LOL. But it depends if that 'Ity Bity Deseret Amplifier' is a good ole rockin' Tube Amp, or Solid State ;-)

I'm actually looking at new Guitar Amps now and I found one make and model that goes up to 13 on the Knobs. The company even jokes about it not stopping at 10 in their ad. But since I'm 98% sure I'll go with a Fender Mustang© Amp I didn't pay much attention to the brand. But when I saw that '13' I really did LOL.

37 posted on 02/11/2012 10:08:21 AM PST by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: Moonman62

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/02/20/bloomberg_articlesLZNZ0D07SXKX01-LZO0R.DTL ~ find a hole ~ make a hole in a silicon base and stick a single atom in there and wire it up. Yup, all sorts of things are possible ~ now is that a micro-cavity? I’m still digesting the discussion of how they wire this prototype up ~ some strange stuff ~


38 posted on 02/20/2012 8:54:39 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: garjog

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/02/20/bloomberg_articlesLZNZ0D07SXKX01-LZO0R.DTL ~ try that with this one. Bet you can’t.


39 posted on 02/20/2012 8:57:31 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Yes, I read that about a single atom transistor. Cool. Maybe we will see AI in our life time?


40 posted on 02/21/2012 12:12:10 PM PST by garjog
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