Posted on 02/19/2012 4:53:22 PM PST by Andy from Chapel Hill
57% of Republicans are Protestant and 23% are Catholic, if I read the data at Pew Research correctly.
Today, after church (Presbyterian, but thinking about joining an unaffilated church), a group of us older and more conservative men began discussing the lack of enthusiasm among the Republican base for any of the current candidates. One fellow said "I am not Catholic because I do not agree with the Catholic Church's teachings and I am not Mormon because I do not want to be a Mormon". Others generally agreed and said that the candidate's religion mattered a lot.
Is the talk about a contested convention and the possibility of candidates like Palin, Jeb Bush, etc. really a front for a movement toward a Protestant candidate?
I know I will be flamed for asking this question, but please consider it as a question that the base is considering.
Disclosure: Among the group, I like Newt the best, but in a contested convention, I would prefer someone new paired with Paul Ryan as VP (Ryan is a Catholic).
Therefore, accept one another, just as Christ also accepted us to the glory of God.
Romans 15:7
I’m Jewish and I don’t care about the candidate’s religion. I want him to be a constitutional conservative. To be one, I think you have to believe in the one true omnipotent Gd. I really like Santorum.
Maybe not with the Presidential race, but the conservative Protestants I speak with admire the stand the Catholic Church has taken in the culture wars as their own churches have been either silenced or co-oped-ed.
“Quite the opposite, since the majority of Catholics seem to vote Democrat”
Very few REAL Catholics (ones that regularly attend Mass, and actually know something about their faith), vote democrat. Most vote for pro-life Catholics and most pro-life Catholics tend to be in the Republican Party.
“To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant”.
~ Cardinal John Henry Newman
Famous 19th Century convert from Protestantism
“Quite the opposite, since the majority of Catholics seem to vote Democrat”
Very few REAL Catholics (ones that regularly attend Mass, and actually know something about their faith), vote democrat. Most vote for pro-life candidates and most pro-life politicians tend to be in the Republican Party.
“To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant”.
~ Cardinal John Henry Newman
Famous 19th Century convert from Protestantism
What is ironic is that to tell people they are judgmental IS to judge them.
What people are doing is recommending for us not to judge by the word of God,... but dispense with any discernment, just like they do it.... Some even threaten and curse those who test because they cannot deal with the Scriptural proof presented to them. ....The facts more often than not are; those who say not to judge are incredibly more judgmental then those they accuse of judging.
So many have been indoctrinated into the constraint of don’t say anything against another no matter how far off they are. Let God will deal with them. If this were true, then why are we given all the commands in Scripture to judge? Why all the warnings that deception and falsehood will permeate the Church in the end and we are to be on guard? We are told to deal with it and not allow it to continue.
Jesus commended those who judged to arrive at the truth, “I know that you cannot tolerate wicked men, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false” (Revelation 2:2). All the apostles approved judging those who claimed leadership positions.
Let Us Reason Ministries
I believe that President Hussein's former church (Jeremiah Wright's) was a United Church of Christ. not a Church of Christ. The UCC is quite different from the Churches of Christ.
<40% Roman Catholics vs. 41% Non-R.C. see abortion as "morally acceptable"; Sex between unmarried couples: 67% vs. 57%; Baby out of wedlock: 61% vs. 52%; Homosexual relations: 54% vs. 45%; Gambling: 72% vs. 59% http://www.gallup.com/poll/117154/Catholics-Similar-Mainstream-Abortion-Stem-Cells.aspx
Committed Roman Catholics (church attendance weekly or almost) versus Non-R.C. faithful church goers (see the below as as morally acceptable): Abortion: 24% R.C. vs. 19% Non-R.C.; Sex between unmarried couples: 53% vs. 30%; Baby out of wedlock: 48% vs. 29%; Homosexual relations: 44% vs. 21%; Gambling: 67% vs. 40%; Divorce: 63 vs. 46% ^
26 percent of Catholics polled strongly agree with the Church's unequivoval position on abortion Catholic World Report; 1997 survey of 1,000 Catholic Americans by Roper Center for Public Opinion Research at the University of Connecticut
46 percent of Catholics who say they attend mass weekly accept Church teaching on abortion; 43 percent accept the all-male priesthood; and 30 percent see contraception as morally wrong. ^
31% of faithful Catholics (those who attend church weekly) say abortion should be legal either in "many" or in "all" cases. 2004, The Gallup Organization Gallup Survey for Catholics Speak Out: 802 Catholics, May 1992, MOE ± 4% ^
30% of Roman Catholic priests described themselves as Liberal, 28% as Conservative, and 37% as Moderate in their Religious ideology. 53 percent responded that they thought it always was a sin for unmarried people to have sexual relations; 32 percent that is often was, and 9 percent seldom/never. Los Angeles Times (extensive) nationwide survey (2002). Arthur Jones, 2002 National Catholic Reporter. Gale Group. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_2_39/ai_94129129/pg_2
http://www.peacebyjesus.com/RC-Stats_vs._Evang.html
Thanks Daniel...great post to save!
I actually do not know much about Santorum, but am seeing more.
In principle i am not against a person bringing their beliefs into the fray, but one needs to do more than simply state what their church believes, but they need to contrast Bible-based morality with the ethos of the liberals. And make a case for why the principles of the precepts of the Bible are superior to the ever morphing morality of the latter. I’ll give them some help: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/RevealingStatistics.html
Context. “Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. “ (Romans 15:5-6)
Rather than a body without bones (doctrine), which accepts fellowships with whoever claims to be a brother - though initially this may be expected to a degree - the context of real fellowship is according to the doctrine of Godliness. Which actually requires disfellowshipping impenitent and practitioners of known willful sin.
“But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. “ (1 Corinthians 5:11) ,
As well as heretical deviations.
“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. “ (Romans 16:17)
Well, the Republican Establishment certainly wants one, although they would settle for Jeb Bush, whose family is very WASPish.
Reagan was an evangelical who knew how to talk to Catholics, because his father and brother were Catholics. Santorum is what is sometimes called an evangelical Catholics, in part because he has been influenced by evangelical converts to Catholicism, such as Scott Hahn, who are very heavy int the Scriptures. But also by the pope. Read the pope’s “Jesus of Nazareth,” in two volumes so far, and it is one long meditation on Christ as seen in the Gospels. Once upon a time, the Church really did not trust lay Catholics to read the Bible. but that began to change under Pius XII in 1942. In my first Bible, that pope provided for a plenary indulgence for reading the Bible fifteen minutes a day.
How about Islam, you ok with that? If you are you are an idiot.
Your reference is to that who ARE Christians not to those who lay claim to being a Christian....even in Chrit’s day there were those who used Chrit’s name and yet were not of them..so you’ve taken that scripture out of context...read further back and get a grasp of the context....and who Jesus was speaking to.
Conclusion of the majority: Tolerable if Christian in general, but a Muslim candidate is a different story.
He has also exposed, to anyone looking, exactly how insane the left is in this country! It matters little, the stupid don’t know they are stupid and the insane don’t know they are insane.
He has also exposed, to anyone looking, exactly how insane the left is in this country! It matters little, the stupid don’t know they are stupid and the insane don’t know they are insane.
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