Posted on 02/23/2012 11:28:49 AM PST by ColdOne
As I recall in 2006 the Republican congress had two different bills :
1) A watered down amnesty bill in the Senate, and
2) a strict enforcement bill in the house making being illegal a felony.
The Dems started pointing at some of the House bill provisions to rally Hispanics and others to turn on Republicans, The house Republicans in fear tried to remove some of those provisions but Dems were able to join with some conservatives to keep the House bill from being modified (eased) and the two completely different bills died before the election.
Then Pelosi took over the congress in 2007 and things went from bad to worse when GWB announced it was good opportunity to get an immigration bill passed. Poor Tony Snow was on Rush show and kept telling Rush to “Wait to see the final bill” We were able to get the Senate bill killed but not until after much damage to the Republican party.
This was another nail that allowed Democrats in congress to win a historic second election in 2008. Rather than a backlash against a new Democrat congress, voters were still mad at Republicans in 2008. Bush's amnesty attempts were toxic politically to Republicans. Alternatively so was the House enforcement/felony bill that Dems helped keep from being eased, as was having to kill the bill.
In 2006 Republican congress also re-authorized the voting rights act and GWB signed that Obama is using to challenge voter ID laws. That bought them NO votes in November 2006.
Republicans need a different approach to Hispanics voters, the above was a huge failure. Hispanics are a fast growing voter base but making that base grow faster in this climate will make things even worse.
I saw through Rove 10 years ago.
Your property taxes alone will sink N.J
Then GWB, Dems, and RINOs in congress (McCain, Lindsey) grabbed the enforcement momentum and turned it into meaningless "triggers" in the 2007 amnesty bill. I wish conservatives would learn this martial arts technique: use an opponent's strength against him.
One FR poster told me that the GWB amnesty was the best deal we were going to get! They almost pulled it off. But while Obama and other left wing fanatics were voting for poison pill amendments, McCain, who would have voted no on the fatal poison pill, was absent, gone to a fundraiser.
Republicans need a different approach to Hispanics voters, the above was a huge failure
It's extremely tricky. That would require considerable skill, which GOP candidates may not possess.
That all eventually hits the wall, when tax revenues plunge, leaving the welfare parasites/illegals and elite government employee class holding an empty bag.
But they can still vote, and can ask Obama (if reelected) for direct and indirect bailouts.
I thought this guy was smart. I could do it tomorrow. ENFORCE THE LAW!
Well the fact is, pandering, aiding, abetting and rewarding illegals aliens, at every level, has been going on for several decades now, costing tax payers hundreds of billions.
I wonder if common sense policies, in an effort go give law abiding tax payers relief from this lawless open border free for all, will ever be enacted.
Didn’t happen during Bush’s 8 years in office, and in fact, many millions pour in during that period. Not to mention more Muslims were allowed to enter legally *after* 911, than in the previous two decades.
I didn’t know who to attribute it to, but I found myself unable to vote for Bush in 2000. It as obvious where this mouth full of marbles was headed.
See my tagline.
You were wiser than me. In 2000 I thought that any pro-life candidate would be morally sound on every issue.
Let me guess, Did FR characters tell you that not voting for GWB was the same as voting for Gore?
You were wiser than me. In 2000 I thought that any pro-life candidate would be morally sound on every issue.
Let me guess, Did FR characters tell you that not voting for GWB was the same as voting for Gore?
Once Republicans just gave up the major issue that they had over Obama, the deficit, most political Dominos fell. How do you argue against bailouts, stimuluses, free college,government jobs, ... when you give up on the deficit as your argument? It allows Obama to take credit for handing out the goodies, while passing the blame for the cost to the other side. (Losing the House was critical for him to pull this off.) Having beat Republicans on the economy now they are going full force on social issues.
Republicans hope that gas prices will deflate the Obama bubble(as I do), but given their record it is easy to image that Obama will outwit them there too,
But the fact is the government is not fooling anyone, or even attempting to do so.
The betrayal is very upfront and publicly in your face. All while a decades long conga-line of millions defecates on and disrespects America.
Watch the politicians when they publicly cough up comments like, "Lets discuss it...Lets debate immigration"...When those tax payers capable of critical thought, for 25 *years* now, have screamed, demanded, voted, protested, demonstrated for relief, from this epic, costly, violent lawless disgrace.
After about 25 years of this mockery of our sovereignty and laws, I would imagine only those drooling in cups are "fooled" by this overt public betrayal.
75% of our property taxes go to our schools, and they are slowly filling with anchor babies - their parents aren’t part of the tax base, so the Americans get the bill.
Governor Christie instituted a cap, which will at least let those of us that are still working stay a while longer (though a lot of cops/teachers/firemen lost their jobs because of it). Without that cap we’d have been in much worse shape, but you now see a different effect. Streets aren’t repaired, and there is just a general decline in services which is adjusting down to what we could afford.
That already hit the wall, when cities laid off 1/3 of their police forces due to the property tax cap put in place by Governor Christie. Our gubmint worker masters are being pared back to something more affordable.
I think property taxes should be dramatically reduced everywhere or entirely eliminated. They have been way to high for many years and only enabled local governments to grow, become more controlling, and punitive towards the tax payers.
If ya reduce the size of government at all levels, there would be more than enough to pay for adequate policing.
I think NJ works differently than many states, in that with “home rule”, your local schools are funded by local taxes (I believe other states have more centralized funding). There is a lot of resistance to “regionalizing” (sharing) services in NJ, which is most needed with firemen - while most of the state is volunteers, there are some very expensive paid departments in former industrial areas that at this point are simply paying firemen to sleep in firehouses all day with few fires.
A friend who lived by Sacramento years ago described a lot of similar problems with California’s property taxes (and cap), which works in a similar manner to rent control: the newcomers get screwed to benefit the tenured residents who have legally-capped taxes (or rent, in the rent-control example).
Thy are not fooling you and me, but they are not only attempting to fool voters, but succeeding well enough to stay in power through GOP and Dem administrations.
After about 25 years of this mockery of our sovereignty and laws, I would imagine only those drooling in cups are "fooled" by this overt public betrayal.
One would think that the deceived would be a very small minority, but many posters here of FR, who in some ways are conservative, attacked me (and I suspect they attacked you) for opposing Bush's and McCain's amnesty plans. Remember in 2008, McCain was going to have the 4 border governors Perry, Napolitano, Richardson, and Schwartzenegger "certify" that the border was "secure?"
There are no Duncan Hunters or Tancredos running this time. Look at Gingrich's "Citizen Boards" which would cede significant power to decide immigration policy to sanctuary cities. Compare to McCain's plan in previous paragraph.
It's true that Obama is worse, but note that GWB came a lot closer to pushing amnesty through than Obama, so far. In some cases, a GOP POTUS is more dangerous than a Dem, because the Senate GOP will oppose a Dem POTUS's amnesty. Which candidate can we trust?
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