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Newt and the Associated Press utterly ZOT Obama's born-alive abortion record
Just Facts ^ | February 24, 2012 | James D. Agresti

Posted on 02/24/2012 11:23:02 AM PST by NEOhio

In a fact check of Wednesday's Republican presidential debate on CNN, Associated Press reporters Calvin Woodward and Tom Raum take Newt Gingrich to task for stating:

"If we’re going to have a debate about who the extremist is on these issues, it is President Obama, who as a state senator voted to protect doctors who killed babies who survived the abortion."

Citing the above statement in a list of what they call "head-scratching claims," Woodward and Raum challenge it as follows:

"THE FACTS: As an Illinois state senator, Obama voted against legislation promoted by anti-abortion activists that would have conferred protection to fetuses showing any signs of life after an abortion, even if doctors did not believe the fetus was viable. Obama pointed to an existing Illinois law requiring doctors to protect fetuses they believed were likely to survive after an abortion, and said he was concerned the proposed new law was so broad it could interfere with routine abortions. Obama said he would have supported federal legislation President George W. Bush signed in 2002 that would protect a viable fetus but reaffirmed a woman’s right to an abortion."

These assertions miss the truth in three key respects, which are covered in Just Facts' research on abortion in the sections dealing with live births and terminology.

(Excerpt) Read more at justfactsdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; bornalive; infanticide; newt; obama; troll; zot
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A factual summary of Obama's votes on bills relating to abortion survivors
1 posted on 02/24/2012 11:23:06 AM PST by NEOhio
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To: NEOhio

Double-speak and double negatives aside, how is this explanation even a teeny, teeny bit different from what Newt said?


2 posted on 02/24/2012 11:27:15 AM PST by Mach9
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To: NEOhio
VIDEO: EXPLOSIVE recording of BARACK OBAMA supporting INFANTICIDE
3 posted on 02/24/2012 11:27:19 AM PST by tsowellfan (If its between Obama and Romney, there isnt all that much difference - George Soros)
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To: NEOhio

And from Doug Ross:

Fact Checking National Journal’s “Fact Check”: Yes, Obama Voted to Legalize Infanticide. Not Once, But Twice.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2012/02/fact-checking-national-journals-fact.html


4 posted on 02/24/2012 11:29:32 AM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: NEOhio; darkwing104; 50mm; Old Sarge; 230FMJ; A.Hun; abigailsmybaby; AFPhys; Aircop_2006; ...
Zero is the most pro-baby-killing president in history.

Speaking of history, you have an interesting one for posting, Zero-loving troll.


5 posted on 02/24/2012 11:29:54 AM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: NEOhio

Something smells here...


6 posted on 02/24/2012 11:30:11 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: 50mm

I haven’t been IBTZ in a while.


7 posted on 02/24/2012 11:31:42 AM PST by Mr.Unique (EVERYBODY is a RINO. Except me.)
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To: NEOhio

Aww.. somebody insulted Barry BigEars, and here comes someone to defend him!
Attaboy!


8 posted on 02/24/2012 11:32:46 AM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Mach9
It isn't. I had to read to several times to see if I was missing something. Obama did vote against the antiabortionist (pro-lifers). Double speak is right.
9 posted on 02/24/2012 11:33:04 AM PST by annieokie
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To: NEOhio

Hmmmmmmmmm... I thought Barack Obama was the key sponsor of the Illinois bill to kill born alive newborns but still finish the abortion job?

Something smells here... I bet if I do some looking, I’ll find these guys aren’t telling the truth.


10 posted on 02/24/2012 11:34:10 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: NEOhio
Hmmmm, took a little 3 year hiatus from posting, eh?

So it seems you agree with this article and don't think Obama supports infanticide....

I say, IBTZ!

11 posted on 02/24/2012 11:36:02 AM PST by CAluvdubya
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To: NEOhio; 50mm; Vendome; reaganaut; Lazmataz; Servant of the Cross; mkjessup; Old Sarge; ...

Look what we have here boys!! An Obuggery loving troll!

IBTZ!! Calling all Kitties!!


13 posted on 02/24/2012 11:36:14 AM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: NEOhio

It is unfair for the article to give Newt and the AP equal culpability on the matter.

The AP’s “fact check” is a bold lie. It uses purposeful distortions (calling a born child a “fetus”), ignores facts (Obama voted to kill legislation that Obama claimed he voted for), and parrots Obama’s distorted position on the matter

Newt’s so-called “distortion” of
killing = leaving nonviable newborns to suffer and die without care
is a matter of what can be explained under the time constraints of a debate.


14 posted on 02/24/2012 11:36:31 AM PST by kidd
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To: NEOhio
Can almost hear the wheezing.
15 posted on 02/24/2012 11:37:25 AM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: NEOhio; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; EternalVigilance; ...
Well, well troll.

You have made exactly three posts on FR in three years and ALL OF THEM have been defending Zero's abortion record.

IBTZ!

16 posted on 02/24/2012 11:37:29 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: NEOhio

Are you going to try to defend yourself, you Zero-butt-kissing libtard?


17 posted on 02/24/2012 11:37:53 AM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: NEOhio
3 years and 3 posts. One of them is this crap. MMMMM. Very Interesting.

IBTZ


19 posted on 02/24/2012 11:38:51 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: NEOhio

20 posted on 02/24/2012 11:39:52 AM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: NEOhio

You’re still here...but not for long.

How is a child outside of the womb a “fetus”?

Hmmm?

IBTZ!!!


21 posted on 02/24/2012 11:40:13 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: NEOhio

How are you enjoying your Zero-induced 40% unemployment up there in NE Ohio, libtard?


22 posted on 02/24/2012 11:41:37 AM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: NEOhio

23 posted on 02/24/2012 11:42:13 AM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Mach9

Newt said that Obama voted to “protect doctors who killed babies who survived the abortion.” The preexisting law already prohibited this. The law Obama voted against required doctors to provide palliative care to such babies even if they had no chance of long-term survival. That’s the difference.


24 posted on 02/24/2012 11:42:21 AM PST by NEOhio
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To: NEOhio

Wow, this is the first response you’ve ever posted.
You previously posted and ran.


25 posted on 02/24/2012 11:43:15 AM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: 50mm
How are you enjoying your Zero-induced 40% unemployment up there in NE Ohio, libtard?

That's exactly why the Obama-loving libtards are wanting to make 2012 a social issue election. They simply cannot defend this economy.

26 posted on 02/24/2012 11:43:36 AM PST by tsowellfan (If its between Obama and Romney, there isnt all that much difference - George Soros)
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To: NEOhio

Do you know what palliative care is? It’s keeping the child as comfortable as possible....warmth, holding, etc as opposed to throwing in the soiled laundry which was being done.

The man is inhumane, evil!!!


27 posted on 02/24/2012 11:45:23 AM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: NEOhio

You’re lucky, mods a little slow on the draw today.


28 posted on 02/24/2012 11:45:51 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: NEOhio

IBTZ


29 posted on 02/24/2012 11:46:23 AM PST by Dstorm (Palin 2012)
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To: NEOhio

I wouldn’t bother doing any work on my profile page if I were you.


30 posted on 02/24/2012 11:46:23 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NEOhio

Is that your deodorant falling or did you step in something?


31 posted on 02/24/2012 11:46:35 AM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. President Newt Gingrich--"Our beloved republic deserves nothing less.")
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To: NEOhio

The fact is that the Federal bill Obama says he would have supported is essentially identical to the state bill he opposed, which was simply to provide protection to infants born alive after a failed abortion. Even Hillary! supported the Federal bill. Obama opposed protecting infants born alive. IOW, he supported legal infanticide.

But what do you expect from a person with absolutely no moral compass?


32 posted on 02/24/2012 11:48:06 AM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: NEOhio

33 posted on 02/24/2012 11:48:58 AM PST by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: NEOhio
Darn, missed again.

IATZ!

34 posted on 02/24/2012 11:49:07 AM PST by houeto (Mitt Romney - A Whiter Shade of FAIL)
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To: NEOhio

You hid here for four years just so you could defend infanticide?


35 posted on 02/24/2012 11:49:32 AM PST by McGruff (Go Newtclear!)
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To: NEOhio
Ha ha ha ha!

I went to Justfactsdaily to check out the OP's facts. On the sidebar, there is a column for "Global Warming: Just the Facts."

If you can believe it, they are actually using Michael Mann's hockey stick graph as evidence for global warming!!!!!!!

Ha ha ha ha ha!

IBTZ, you lying putz!

36 posted on 02/24/2012 11:52:01 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: NEOhio

No. Read it again.

“Obama pointed to an existing Illinois law requiring doctors to protect fetuses they believed were likely to survive after an abortion, and said he was concerned the proposed new law was so broad it could interfere with routine abortions.” He wanted the abortion to through even if it happened to be botched by a doc who managed to birth a live baby.

“Obama said he WOULD HAVE supported federal legislation President George W. Bush signed in 2002 that would protect a viable fetus but reaffirmed a woman’s right to an abortion.” But that was NOT the law in front of him.


39 posted on 02/24/2012 11:56:35 AM PST by Mach9
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To: Tzar

bingo.

Gianna Jessen’s speech in Australia should be required viewing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPF1FhCMPuQ

Both Parts.


40 posted on 02/24/2012 12:01:26 PM PST by reagandemocrat (Roe v Wade = Dred Scott)
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To: Admin Moderator

Nice title change. :-O


41 posted on 02/24/2012 12:04:14 PM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

That is a very cool pic

Guess I’m IATZ


42 posted on 02/24/2012 12:04:23 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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This is not a troll attack! The article is, on the whole, quite factual and negative about Obama's pro-infanticide policies

In sum, Obama voted against three bills stating that anyone “born alive at any stage of development” is considered a “person” under Illinois state law including those born as a result of “abortion.” He did this in the face of sworn testimony from Illinois nurses who witnessed aborted newborns living and being neglected for up to eight hours after birth. These are the straightforward and unadorned facts of the matte.

43 posted on 02/24/2012 12:04:28 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: NEOhio
The law Obama voted against required doctors to provide palliative care to such babies even if they had no chance of long-term survival. That’s the difference.

The title - Newt and the Associated Press distort Obama’s born-alive abortion record

The difference is the distortion. It's the other way around. The author here by his headline and writings was to distort the issue. To make Gingrich look bad and by obscuring the facts to make Obama look good.

44 posted on 02/24/2012 12:04:49 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: NEOhio
Difference my a**.

Here's Jill Stanek with LINKS to the bills and 0bama's actions and actual commments at the time. Newt has defined 0 dead on.

45 posted on 02/24/2012 12:05:09 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Fractal Trader

Newt said that Obama voted to “protect doctors who killed babies who survived the abortion.” The preexisting law already prohibited this. The law Obama voted against required doctors to provide palliative care to such babies even if they had no chance of long-term survival. That’s the difference.

24 posted on February 24, 2012 2:42:21 PM EST by NEOhio


46 posted on 02/24/2012 12:07:08 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NEOhio

47 posted on 02/24/2012 12:08:02 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Too funny. Go, kitty. he/she’s mad about all of the lies being spread in his backyard.


48 posted on 02/24/2012 12:12:02 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: NEOhio

Yeah, it is factual but leaves a whole lot out of his record and is therefore, by omission, an out right lie which seeks to deceive through further obfuscation of the factual history of the won.

GFY


49 posted on 02/24/2012 12:15:07 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: NEOhio

Your attempt to defend murdering the most innocent of the human race is even more insidous than those who defended the practice of slavery. I find it amazing that the same party that tries to equate homosexuals with the history of slavery are also the ones that defend murdering completely innocent human beings.

Moral equivelancy at its best....


50 posted on 02/24/2012 12:16:44 PM PST by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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