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Wong Kim Ark dissent agreed with majority; NBC is separate from the 14th amendment
Vanity ^ | 02-29-2012 | edge919

Posted on 02/29/2012 2:58:09 PM PST by edge919

Contrary to uninformed opinion, the ruling in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (WKA) did NOT make natural-born citizens of everyone who was born in the U.S. One of the best ways to understand this is by reading the dissent, which defined natural-born citizens (NBC) directly from Vattel's Law of Nations.

Before the Revolution, the view of the publicists had been thus put by Vattel:

The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

Justice Fuller tells us where Justice Waite got his "common-law" definition of NBC in the Minor v. Happersett decision. Fuller says, "prior to the Revolution" and Waite said "with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar." The latter definition was quoted in full by the majority in the WKA decision, and the holding of the decision affirmed that Virginia Minor was found to be a citizen by BOTH place of birth and by having citizen parents, even though the Minor case did not say so directly:

Chief Justice Waite said: "Allegiance and protection are, in this connection" (that is, in relation to citizenship),

reciprocal obligations. The one is a compensation for the other: allegiance for protection, and protection for allegiance. . . . At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of [p680] parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further, and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction, without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class, there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.

Minor v. Happersett (1874), 21 Wall. 162, 166-168. The decision in that case was that a woman born of citizen parents within the United States was a citizen of the United States, although not entitled to vote, the right to the elective franchise not being essential to citizenship.

The question that cannot be answered by Obots and Obama apologists, at least not honestly, is why the court included the citizenship of Minor's parents if not for how it is used to specifically define NBC. This is the last point in the majority opinion where the term "natural-born citizens" is used. The opinion continues for another 25 pages, where the majority deftly switches to a discreet term of citizenship based solely on the 14th amendment.

The foregoing considerations and authorities irresistibly lead us to these conclusions: the Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes.

Notice that this definition is based ONLY on the 14th amendment, and it does NOT say that it covers the children born in the country of citizens, but instead, only of "resident aliens" minus the exclusions pertaining to the subject clause. Lest there be any doubt, the dissent AGREED with this definition, even using the same term "citizenship by birth."

In other words, the Fourteenth Amendment does not exclude from citizenship by birth children born in the United States of parents permanently located therein, and who might themselves become citizens ...

The parents permanently located here who might become citizens are "resident aliens," which was the term used by the majority. Fuller is saying the children of resident aliens are NOT excluded from becoming citizens by the 14th amendment, which means he AGREED with the majority's citizenship by birth definition. He used the same term exclusively while arguing that NBC was defined by Vattel. The majority cited Minor for the definition of NBC and noted that the 14th amendment does NOT define NBC. But, if there's doubt, look back a little in the dissent:

I think it follows that the children of Chinese born in this country do not, ipso facto, become citizens of the United States unless the Fourteenth Amendment overrides both treaty and statute. Does it bear that construction, or rather is it not the proper construction that all persons born in the United States of parents permanently residing here and susceptible of becoming citizens, and not prevented therefrom by treaty or statute, are citizens, and not otherwise.

Fuller's only dispute was that the 14th amendment does not override a treaty with China that prevented its subjects from becoming foreign citizens, including their children. He asks if it is NOT the proper construction that the 14th amendment makes citizens of the children born in the U.S. of parents with permanent residence and suceptible of becoming citizens, which means "resident aliens."

Some Obots point to this paragraph as proof that Fuller thought WKA was a natural-born citizen:

Considering the circumstances surrounding the framing of the Constitution, I submit that it is unreasonable to conclude that "natural-born citizen" applied to everybody born within the geographical tract known as the United States, irrespective of circumstances, and that the children of foreigners, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay or other race, were eligible to the Presidency, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not.

First, the majority never makes such a statement. This is Fuller addressing a question brought up by the appellant, which the majority punted. Fuller did drectly argue that the majority opinion made aliens of those who were born abraod to citizen parents, but he never argues that the decision makes Ark an NBC. Second, Fuller's comment makes no sense when he argues that persons born of resident aliens can be citizens under the 14th amendment. Again, his reason for dissent was based on the treaty with China, not on how the majority defined citizenship by birth via the 14th amendment.


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To: Jacquerie
It doesn't matter if 100 made the same call. No federal judge will remove a Presidential candidate from a state ballot because it is not justicable.

No one is asking a federal judge to remove a presidential candidate from the ballots. The states can do this. Their laws allow for it. I'm simply showing that the SCOTUS in Wong Kim Ark unanimously accepted the Minor definition of NBC and it is proven because the dissent accept the majority's separate and distinct class of 14th amendment citizenship by birth.

61 posted on 02/29/2012 7:45:21 PM PST by edge919
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To: Seizethecarp

The dicta from that 2009 9th Circus case is nothing but a sorry joke.


62 posted on 02/29/2012 7:45:21 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Harlan1196; DeaconBenjamin
The father of the U.S. Constitution and the father of the Bill of Rights state...

October 18, 1787 - James Madison wrote to George Washington, N. York:

"Since the Revolution every State has made great inroads & with great propriety in many instances on this monarchical code.[Edit: Englands "Common Law"] The "revisal of the laws" by a Committe of wch. Col. Mason [Edit: George Mason] was a member, though not an acting one, abounds with such innovations. The abolition of the right of primogeniture, which I am sure Col. Mason does not disapprove, falls under this head.. What could the Convention have done? If they had in general terms declared the Common law to be in force, they would have broken in upon the legal Code of every State in the most material points: they wd. have done more, they would have brought over from G.B. a thousand heterogeneous & anti-republican doctrines, and even the ecclesiastical Hierarchy itself, for that is a part of the Common law."

June 18, 1788 - George Mason, In Convention, Richmond (Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution), states:

"We have it in our power to secure our liberties and happiness on the most unshaken, firm, and permanent basis. We can establish what government we please. But by that paper we are consolidating the United States into one great government, and trusting to constructive security. You will find no such thing in the English government. The common law of England is not the common law of these states."

63 posted on 02/29/2012 7:47:28 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Mr Rogers

Namecalling and insults are not a substitute for constructive debate. You’re out of your league, Rogers. It’s time for you to tap out.


64 posted on 02/29/2012 7:47:57 PM PST by edge919
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To: Harlan1196
Alabama became a state in 1819 - why did they adopt the English common law?
Indiana has a reception statute - why did they adopt English common law?

In one instance you say States adopted the @"legal words".
Now you're saying they adopted English common law.

You've managed to even confuse yourself, if that's possible.

What other "legal words" would they have chosen? Those "legal words" weren't unique to English law were they? Didn't many countries have similar "legal words"?

Can you explain why the fact that WKA doesn’t discuss the war of 1812 has any signifigance?
Why are you trying to change the subject instead of answering my question?

The British Navy only impressed naturalized US citizens - those not born on American soil.
How did the British know who they impressed? Did they make them show a copy of their birth certificate while they were at sea?

Try to avoid my questions all you like, they're still there.

65 posted on 02/29/2012 7:49:41 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196
So the war of 1812 is irrelevant to WKA?
I never made an assertion that it was or wasn't.
You were simply changing the subject to avoid answering my questions.
66 posted on 02/29/2012 7:54:09 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Red Steel

This one is pretty ridiculous. A set of jury instructions that wasn’t refuted out of ignorance is not a legal precdent, especially when there’s no citation to actual legal authority.


67 posted on 02/29/2012 7:55:15 PM PST by edge919
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To: edge919

There is no debate. You are squealing, but no court is listening. Nor will one, because the Supreme Court has already made a ruling about the meaning of NBC.


68 posted on 02/29/2012 7:57:52 PM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Mr Rogers
Nor will one, because the Supreme Court has already made a ruling about the meaning of NBC.
Where? In Wong Kim Ark or in another case?
69 posted on 02/29/2012 8:01:10 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Mr Rogers
Nor will one, because the Supreme Court has already made a ruling about the meaning of NBC.

Yes, I mentioned this in the OP ... TWO landmark cases that agreed unanimously on the Minor definition:

all children born in the country to parents who were its citizens.

These are the natural-born citizens. Obama is not and CANNOT be a natural-born citizen. The dissent in Wong Kim Ark helps prove the point.

70 posted on 02/29/2012 8:01:52 PM PST by edge919
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To: edge919; All; Las Vegas Ron; little jeremiah; MestaMachine; BuckeyeTexan; STARWISE; rxsid; ...
Ok, at first this seems a straight-forward response, but it really isn't Not unless you had spent the last 40 hours at Princeton's law Library, and a few others on the East coast... Look, you must have a deeper understanding of history... and Leo gives us that.

Yea, Fogbowers... suck it up. This is straight out of history, in books your liberal whipmasters have repressed by not telling you about them... Go look for yourselves. Leo has posted all the links here: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2012/01/11/the-objectively-gray-propaganda-of-masked-rascals/

Now, to the relevant materials (Thank you Leo!):

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"According to the 1951 consular compact between the United States and the United Kingdom, President Obama’s father also had the right to register Obama, Jr. as a citizen of the U.K. at a British consular office.

"President Obama has never informed the nation whether such registration happened. If it did, he would still retain British citizenship unless he took official steps to renounce that citizenship. Without direct registration by his parents, Obama’s U.K. citizenship expired when he became a citizen of Kenya. My research indicates that he is not a British Overseas Citizen (BOC), as has been contended by some. I will go into more detail on this in the future." (Please refer to Leo’s published works! http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2012/01/11/the-objectively-gray-propaganda-of-masked-rascals/)

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Supreme Court decisions specifically cite to all authorities relied upon. The Court in Minor chose not to rely upon the Dred Scott opinion, and they never mention the case. Maskell is just making stuff up and labeling it “research”. That our tax dollars have funded this deceptive propaganda is deplorable. Meanwhile, it’s Justice Gray who endorsed the Dred Scott opinion for his own purposes. But Maskell, of course, gives Justice Gray a pass, even where Justice Gray blatantly misled the nation:

"“In Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857) 19 How. 393, Mr. Justice Curtis said: ‘The first section of the second article of the constitution uses the language, ‘a natural-born citizen.’ It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.’ Id. 576. And to this extent no different opinion was expressed or intimated by any of the other judges.” U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 662 (1898). (Emphasis added.)

"First, Gray never mentions that he’s quoting from the Curtis dissent. It’s standard protocol to identify a dissenting opinion. Second, unless the reader is wary enough to correctly interpret, “to this extent”, he will come away from the passage believing all of the justices agreed that anyone born in the country was a “natural-born citizen”. This is utterly false. Justice Daniel cited to the Law of Nations rule, quoting Vattel directly:

"” ‘The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority; they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.’ ” Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393, 476 (1856)"

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***Now add to these revelations, THIS from Leo:***

"“I never understood how Justice Gray, in Elk v. Wilkins, could define “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States” as being synonymous with “owing no allegiance to any alien power“, and then fail to apply that logic to the parents of WKA, while the parents were observed by Gray to have been subjects of the Chinese Emperor when their son was born. How did Gray determine that Ark owed no allegiance to China at birth? Justice Field’s dissent zeroes in on this:

"“If the act of 1866 had not contained the words ‘and not subject to any foreign power,’ the children neither of public ministers nor of aliens in territory in hostile occupation would have been included within its terms on any proper construction, for their birth would not have subjected them to ties of allegiance, whether local and temporary, or general and permanent.

"There was no necessity as to them for the insertion of the words, although they were embraced by them.

"But there were others in respect of whom the exception was needed, namely, the children of aliens, whose parents owed local and temporary allegiance merely, remaining subject to a foreign power by virtue of the tie of permanenta llegiance, which they had not severed by formal abjuration or equivalent conduct, and some of whom were not permitted to do so if they would.

"And it was to prevent the acquisition of citizenship by the children of such aliens merely by birth within the geographical limits of the United States that the words were inserted.” U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 721.

"Generally, it is true that aliens owe only a local and temporary allegiance, but this was not the case as to the parents of Wong Kim Ark. Ark was born in 1873, when the Burlingame-Seward Treaty with China was in effect. Article 5 of that treaty states:

"ARTICLE V. The United States of America and the Emperor of China cordially recognize the inherent and inalienable right of man to change his home and allegiance, and also the mutual advantage of the free migration and emigration of their citizens and subjects respectively from the one country to the other, for purposes of curiosity, of trade, or as permanent residents…

"Article VI of the treaty provides that, “[N]othing herein contained shall be held to confer naturalization upon citizens of the United States in China, nor upon the subjects of China in the United States,” while Article V recognizes that subjects of China, when they change their home to the United States, and become permanent residents here, may also change their allegiance.

"Note that the treaty does not say that they may gain a second allegiance, or a dual allegiance. The Treaty recognizes their right to change their “home and allegiance”. This was a completely unique provision, the necessity of which was related to the law in China that called for the beheading of subjects who tried to throw off their allegiance:

"“But of all the treaties of the year, the most remarkable in its declarations respecting expatriation was that with China, commonly known as the Burlingame treaty. According to the terms of her penal code, China had apparently treated the renunciation of her allegiance as a capital offense. By article 5 of the Burlingame treaty, it was declared in the very substance of the act of Congress: ’The United States of America and the Emperor of China cordially recognize the inherent and inalienable right of man to change his home and allegiance.’ This declaration was absolutely unqualified, going in this respect beyond the stipulations of any other treaty.” The Nation, December 14, 1893, pg. 444. (Emphasis added.)

Now compare that passage to the following from Justice Gray in WKA:

“Chinese persons, born out of the United States, remaining subjects of the emperor of China, and not having become citizens of the United States, are entitled to the protection of and owe allegiance to the United States, so long as they are permitted by the United States to reside here; and are ‘subject to the jurisdiction thereof,’ in the same sense as all other aliens residing in the United States.” U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 u.S. 649, 694. (Emphasis added.)

"But this is not necessarily true with regard to Chinese subjects who quit China for the U.S. while the Burlingame treaty was in force. According to the Burlingame treaty, Chinese subjects who were permanent residents here were absolved of owing allegiance to China. The treaty recognized their right to permanently change their home and allegiance.

"Title 8, § 1101, (a)(22), of the United States Code, states:

"(22) The term “national of the United States” means

(A) a citizen of the United States, or

(B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States.

"This provision of the code was not in effect when Ark’s parents were born, but it does illustrate that there is a unique relationship recognized by the government which adheres to persons who, though not citizens, have a permanent allegiance to the United States.

"Additionally, Title 8, § 1101, (a)(3), recognizes that such persons are not aliens:

(3) The term “alien” means any person not a citizen or national of the United States.

"Despite Justice Gray’s erroneous assertion that Ark’s parents were subject to the jurisdiction thereof, “in the same sense as all other aliens residing in the United States”, the truth is that they were completely and permanently subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S., because the treaty allowed them to permanently change their home and allegiance. The ties that [bound] them to China had been severed by the treaty, and this distinguished their status from all other foreign subjects who were domiciled here."

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Ok, Cliff notes version here…. There are several cases including Elk and WKA that actually clearly denote the fact that anyone born in the United States to parents who were it’s citizens were indeed Natural Born Citizens, and that those born to parents who were NOT citizens there was doubt about. That cannot be argued.

Couple this with the fact that CHINA had a treaty with the United States which stated IN FACT that those Chinese subjects who decided to become PERMANENTLY DOMICILED here had the right to change their allegiance to that of the United States, and the United States RECOGNIZED that Chinese citizens who had done so had a DIFFERENT status (than others of different nations – is the TREATY itself) and thus their children, upon being born her had a more legitimate claim to citizenship than that given by the 14th Amendment! They weren’t born to aliens or foreigners, they were born to persons permanently domiciled here… not quite citizens, more like say modern day Samoans… America Samoa is NOT a state, BUT… it is a protectorate which gives Samoans a certain status LEGALLY in the United States, even if it does NOT give them the right to vote unless they become Naturalized… it is a simile, not a direct comparison… the point being…. Grey could have used THAT TREATY to say that WKA’s parents were permanently domiciled and therefore their children born here were citizens… he could have used that instead of the tortured interpretation of the 14th Amendment…. Grey used the 14th to covertly protect the man who gave him his bench seat on SCOTUS.

It is a plausible explanation for the use of the 14th, which was by no means as good a fit as the treaty with China was. The Burlingame-Seward Treaty with China gave the children of Chinese subjects permanently domiciled in the United States Citizenship rights. Grey didn’t need 40 pages to establish it. He only needed the treaty. He had an ulterior motive. Protect Chester Arthur.

WKA cannot be trusted to either prove or disprove rights of citizenship. The majority opinion was corrupted before it was ever published. Mostly Because Grey himself was corrupted with the need to protect his seat on SCOTUS, because Arthur has put him there.

That’s my take on it.

Thank you Leo! The hours you spent in real research are worth it!

To those of you at Fogbow… Pffffft. Ya’all aren’t as well researched as you think you are. Go hang out at the Princeton Law Library in the restricted section for a few days. You need to learn how to so some REAL research. Come up with a real rebuttal instead of a mere dismissal.
71 posted on 02/29/2012 8:17:22 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: edge919
especially when there’s no citation to actual legal authority.


It's about as bad as Ankeny when they cited a deportation case Diaz-Salazar v. INS as their conclusion. It was a Carter appointed judge who opined in the Diaz-Salazar case who very likely cited the illegal alien's lawyer. Hence no actual legal authority cited, but that doesn't stop the OBots from lying ad nauseam.

72 posted on 02/29/2012 8:18:41 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Mr Rogers

So, tell us, What’s your Fogbow handle? Just askin so I can put you into your proper context.


73 posted on 02/29/2012 8:21:46 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: DiogenesLamp; Lurking Libertarian

Rawle actually studied law at the Honourable Society of the Middle Temple in London. This is the same law school that trained signers of the Constitution John Blair, John Dickinson, Jared Ingersoll, John Rutledge and Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (Pinckney also studied law under Justice Blackstone at Oxford University).

After the Revolution, Rawle was offer compensation from the British government for his stepfather’s properties that were confiscated. He turned the money down saying that he had not done anything to deserve the compensation.

He returned to the United States, traveling on a handwritten passport issued by Benjamin Franklin (while Franklin was in Paris).

After returning to the United States, he passed the bar and in 1783 opened a law practice in Philadelphia (Rawle and Henderson, the oldest continuous law firm in the United States).

He also maintained his friendship with Franklin. In February, 1787, he became a founding member of “The Society for Political Inquiries”. The members consisted of prominent members of Philadelphia. The Society met twice a month at Franklin’s house. Benjamin Franklin was the president and Thomas Paine wrote the Society’s by-laws.
Other members of the Society include James Wilson, Governour Morris, Benjamin Rush, Trench Coxe and Robert Morris (the only man to sign the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution). The Society suspended its meetings for the summer of 1787 so some members could attend the Constitutional Convention.

Rawle was elected to the Pennsylvania legislature and was appointed by President Washington to be United States District Attorney for Pennsylvania.


74 posted on 02/29/2012 8:22:59 PM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: Seizethecarp

Classic Cluster F*c* isn’t it?? LOLZ


75 posted on 02/29/2012 8:24:11 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: Danae
To those of you at Fogbow… Pffffft. Ya’all aren’t as well researched as you think you are. Go hang out at the Princeton Law Library in the restricted section for a few days. You need to learn how to so some REAL research. Come up with a real rebuttal instead of a mere dismissal.


If they honesty did that, they would get quickly disillusioned. Oh, how could I forget, they already are delusional.

76 posted on 02/29/2012 8:27:15 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: edge919; Red Steel; LucyT; philman_36
“A set of jury instructions that wasn’t refuted out of ignorance is not a legal precdent, especially when there’s no citation to actual legal authority.”

It is pathetic, yet this is the case that Barry's team are taking to the Supreme Court, along with Ankeny’s “tandem” construction of WKA and the 14A.

The Marguet-Pillado case jury instruction affirming that an out-of-wedlock, foreign-born child could be an NBC simply by having a biological relationship with a US citizen looks like it was deliberately bumped up to be affirmed on appeal.

The dissenting judge said in effect “Why the heck are we looking at this jury instruction when it was stipulated in the first trial that his biological father was unknown?”

As Red Steel suggests, this has the appearance of a set-up to get NBC language to support an appeals case ruling which would provide cover for Barry...EVEN IF...he was not born in the USA...say in Kenya.

If Stanley Ann were to have delivered Barry in Kenya as a legally single mom (on the record as having been bigamously married to BHO Sr per the INS FOIA docs) the five-year residency requirement would not apply to her for her to pass citizenship to Barry, IIRC. This Marguet-Pillado case would make Barry NBC.

In the same way that the NBC language in Minor v Happersett has been argued to be a holding, not dicta, the Barry legal team can be expected to claim that the statement in Marguet-Pillado defining NBC is also a holding and not dicta.

The Marguet-Pillado majority needed this definition of NBC to set the foundation for the kind of citizen that the defendant might be, just as the Minor court needed to know what kind of citizen Mrs. Minor was...it could be argued...and obviously will be argued!

77 posted on 02/29/2012 8:32:17 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: edge919

I. In construing any act of legislation, whether a statute enacted by the legislature or a constitution established by the people as the supreme law of the land, regard is to be had not only to all parts of the act itself, and of any former act of the same lawmaking power of which the act in question is an amendment, but also to the condition and to the history [p654] of the law as previously existing, and in the light of which the new act must be read and interpreted.

The Constitution of the United States, as originally adopted, uses the words “citizen of the United States,” and “natural-born citizen of the United States.” By the original Constitution, every representative in Congress is required to have been “seven years a citizen of the United States,” and every Senator to have been “nine years a citizen of the United States.” and “no person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President.” The Fourteenth Article of Amendment, besides declaring that

all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside,

also declares that

no State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

And the Fifteenth Article of Amendment declares that

the right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States, or by any State, on account of race, color or previous condition of servitude.

The Constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words, either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except insofar as this is done by the affirmative declaration that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.” In this as in other respects, it must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution. Minor v. Happersett, 21 Wall. 162; Ex parte Wilson, 114 U.S. 417, 422; Boyd v. United States, 116 U.S. 616, 624, 625; Smith v. Alabama, 124 U.S. 465. The language of the Constitution, as has been well said, could not be understood without reference to the common law. Kent Com. 336; Bradley, J., in Moore v. United States, 91 U.S. 270, 274. [p655]

In Minor v. Happersett, Chief Justice Waite, when construing, in behalf of the court, the very provision of the Fourteenth Amendment now in question, said: “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that.” And he proceeded to resort to the common law as an aid in the construction of this provision. 21 Wall. 167.

In Smith v. Alabama, Mr. Justice Matthews, delivering the judgment of the court, said:

There is no common law of the United States, in the sense of a national customary law, distinct from the common law of England as adopted by the several States each for itself, applied as its local law, and subject to such alteration as may be provided by its own statutes. . . . There is, however, one clear exception to the statement that there is no national common law. The interpretation of the Constitution of the United States is necessarily influenced by the fact that its provisions are framed in the language of the English common law, and are to be read in the light of its history.

124 U.S. 478.

II. The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called “ligealty,” “obedience,” “faith,” or “power” of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King’s allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual — as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem — and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects. But the children, born within the realm, of foreign ambassadors, or the children of alien enemies, born during and within their hostile occupation of part of the King’s dominions, were not natural-born subjects because not born within the allegiance, the obedience, or the power, or, as would be said at this day, within the jurisdiction, of the King.

This fundamental principle, with these qualifications or [p656] explanations of it, was clearly, though quaintly, stated in the leading case, known as Calvin’s Case, or the Case of the Postnati, decided in 1608, after a hearing in the Exchequer Chamber before the Lord Chancellor and all the Judges of England, and reported by Lord Coke and by Lord Ellesmere. Calvin’s Case, 7 Rep. 1, 4b-6a, 18a, 18b; Ellesmere on Postnati, 62-64; S.C., 2 Howell’s State Trials, 559, 607, 613-617, 639, 640, 659, 679.

The English authorities ever since are to the like effect. Co.Lit. 8a, 128b, Lord Hale, in Hargrave’s Law Tracts, 210, an in 1 Hale P.C. 61, 62; 1 Bl.Com. 366, 369, 370, 374; 4 Bl.Com. 74, 92; Lord Kenyon, in Doe v. Jones, 4 T.R. 300, 308; Cockburn on Nationality, 7; Dicey Conflict of Laws, p. 173-177, 741.

In Udny v. Udny, (1869) L.R. 1 H.L. Sc. 441, the point decided was one of inheritance, depending upon the question whether the domicil of the father was in England or in Scotland, he being in either alternative a British subject. Lord Chancellor Hatherley said: “The question of naturalization and of allegiance is distinct from that of domicil.” P. 452. Lord Westbury, in the passage relied on by the counsel for the United States, began by saying:

The law of England, and of almost all civilized countries, ascribes to each individual at his birth two distinct legal states or conditions: one, by virtue of which he becomes the subject of some particular country, binding him by the tie of natural allegiance, and which may be called his political status; another by virtue of which he has ascribed to him the character of a citizen of some particular country, and as such is possessed of certain municipal rights, and subject to certain obligations, which latter character is the civil status or condition of the individual, and may be quite different from his political status.

And then, while maintaining that the civil status is universally governed by the single principle of domicil, domicilium, the criterion established by international law for the purpose of determining civil status, and the basis on which

the personal rights of the party, that is to say, the law which determines his majority or minority, his marriage, succession, testacy or intestacy, [p657] must depend,

he yet distinctly recognized that a man’s political status, his country, patria, and his “nationality, that is, natural allegiance,” “may depend on different laws in different countries.” Pp. 457, 460. He evidently used the word “citizen” not as equivalent to “subject,” but rather to “inhabitant,” and had no thought of impeaching the established rule that all persons born under British dominion are natural-born subjects.

Lord Chief Justice Cockburn, in the same year, reviewing the whole matter, said:

By the common law of England, every person born within the dominions of the Crown, no matter whether of English or of foreign parents, and, in the latter case, whether the parents were settled or merely temporarily sojourning, in the country, was an English subject, save only the children of foreign ambassadors (who were excepted because their fathers carried their own nationality with them), or a child born to a foreigner during the hostile occupation of any part of the territories of England. No effect appears to have been given to descent as a source of nationality.

Cockburn on Nationality, 7.

Mr. Dicey, in his careful and thoughtful Digest of the Law of England with reference to the Conflict of Laws, published in 1896, states the following propositions, his principal rules being printed below in italics:

“British subject” means any person who owes permanent allegiance to the Crown. “Permanent” allegiance is used to distinguish the allegiance of a British subject from the allegiance of an alien who, because he is within the British dominions, owes “temporary” allegiance to the Crown. “Natural-born British subject” means a British subject who has become a British subject at the moment of his birth.” “Subject to the exceptions hereinafter mentioned, any person who (whatever the nationality of his parents) is born within the British dominions is a natural-born British subject. This rule contains the leading principle of English law on the subject of British nationality.

The exceptions afterwards mentioned by Mr. Dicey are only these two:

1. Any person who (his father being an alien enemy) is born in a part of the British dominions, which at the time of such [p658] person’s birth is in hostile occupation, is an alien.

2. Any person whose father (being an alien) is at the time of such person’s birth an ambassador or other diplomatic agent accredited to the Crown by the Sovereign of a foreign State is (though born within the British dominions) an alien.

And he adds:

The exceptional and unimportant instances in which birth within the British dominions does not of itself confer British nationality are due to the fact that, though at common law nationality or allegiance in substance depended on the place of a person’s birth, it in theory, at least, depended not upon the locality of a man’s birth, but upon his being born within the jurisdiction and allegiance of the King of England, and it might occasionally happen that a person was born within the dominions without being born within the allegiance, or, in other words, under the protection and control of, the Crown.

Dicey Conflict of Laws, pp. 173-177, 741.

It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.

In the early case of The Charming Betsy, (1804) it appears to have been assumed by this court that all persons born in the United States were citizens of the United States, Chief Justice Marshall saying:

Whether a person born within the United States, or becoming a citizen according to the established laws of the country, can divest himself absolutely of [p659] that character otherwise than in such manner as may be prescribed by law is a question which it is not necessary at present to decide.

2 Cranch 64, 119.

In Inglis v. Sailors’ Snug Harbor (1833), 3 Pet. 99, in which the plaintiff was born in the city of New York about the time of the Declaration of Independence, the justices of this court (while differing in opinion upon other points) all agreed that the law of England as to citizenship by birth was the law of the English Colonies in America. Mr. Justice Thompson, speaking for the majority of the court, said:

It is universally admitted, both in the English courts and in those of our own country, that all persons born within the Colonies of North America, whilst subject to the Crown of Great Britain, are natural-born British subjects.

3 Pet. 120. Mr. Justice Johnson said: “He was entitled to inherit as a citizen born of the State of New York.” 3 Pet. 136. Mr. Justice Story stated the reasons upon this point more at large, referring to Calvin’s Case, Blackstone’s Commentaries, and Doe v. Jones, above cited, and saying:

Allegiance is nothing more than the tie or duty of obedience of a subject to the sovereign under whose protection he is, and allegiance by birth is that which arises from being born within the dominions and under the protection of a particular sovereign. Two things usually concur to create citizenship: first, birth locally within the dominions of the sovereign, and secondly, birth within the protection and obedience, or, in other words, within the allegiance of the sovereign. That is, the party must be born within a place where the sovereign is at the time in full possession and exercise of his power, and the party must also, at his birth, derive protection from, and consequently owe obedience or allegiance to, the sovereign, as such, de facto. There are some exceptions which are founded upon peculiar reasons, and which, indeed, illustrate and confirm the general doctrine. Thus, a person who is born on the ocean is a subject of the prince to whom his parents then owe allegiance; for he is still deemed under the protection of his sovereign, and born in a place where he has dominion in common with all other sovereigns. So the children of an ambassador are held to be [p660] subjects of the prince whom he represents, although born under the actual protection and in the dominions of a foreign prince.

3 Pet. 155. “The children of enemies, born in a place within the dominions of another sovereign, then occupied by them by conquest, are still aliens.” 3 Pet. 156.

Nothing is better settled at the common law than the doctrine that the children, even of aliens, born in a country while the parents are resident there under the protection of the government and owing a temporary allegiance thereto, are subjects by birth.

3 Pet. 164.

In Shanks v. Dupont, 3 Pet. 242, decided (as appears by the records of this court) on the same day as the last case, it was held that a woman born in South Carolina before the Declaration of Independence, married to an English officer in Charleston during its occupation by the British forces in the Revolutionary War, and accompanying her husband on his return to England, and there remaining until her death, was a British subject within the meaning of the Treaty of Peace of 1783, so that her title to land in South Carolina, by descent cast before that treaty, was protected thereby. It was of such a case that Mr. Justice Story, delivering the opinion of the court, said:

The incapacities of femes covert, provided by the common law, apply to their civil rights, and are for their protection and interest. But they do not reach their political rights, nor prevent their acquiring or losing a national character. Those political rights do not stand upon the mere doctrines of municipal law, applicable to ordinary transactions, but stand upon the more general principles of the law of nations.

3 Pet. 248. This last sentence was relied on by the counsel for the United States as showing that the question whether a person is a citizen of a particular country is to be determined not by the law of that country, but by the principles of international law. But Mr. Justice Story certainly did not mean to suggest that, independently of treaty, there was any principle of international law which could defeat the operation of the established rule of citizenship by birth within the United States; for he referred (p. 245) to the contemporaneous opinions in Inglis v. Sailors’ Snug Harbor, [p661] above cited, in which this rule had been distinctly recognized, and in which he had said (p. 162) that “each government had a right to decide for itself who should be admitted or deemed citizens,” and, in his Treatise on the Conflict of Laws, published in 1834, he said that, in respect to residence in different countries or sovereignties, “there are certain principles which have been generally recognized by tribunals administering public law” [adding, in later editions “or the law of nations”] “as of unquestionable authority,” and stated, as the first of those principles, “Persons who are born in a country are generally deemed citizens and subjects of that country.” Story, Conflict of Laws, § 48.

The English statute of 11 & 12 Will. III (1700). c. 6, entitled

An act to enable His Majesty’s natural-born subjects to inherit the estate of their ancestors, either lineal or collateral, notwithstanding their father or mother were aliens,

enacted that “all and every person or persons, being the King’s natural-born subject or subjects, within any of the King’s realms or dominions,” might and should thereafter lawfully inherit and make their titles by descent to any lands

from any of their ancestors, lineal or collateral, although the father and mother, or father or mother, or other ancestor, of such person or persons, by, from, through or under whom

title should be made or derived, had been or should be “born out of the King’s allegiance, and out of is Majesty’s realms and dominions,” as fully and effectually, as if such parents or ancestors “had been naturalized or natural-born subject or subjects within the King’s dominions.” 7 Statutes of the Realm, 90. It may be observed that, throughout that statute, persons born within the realm, although children of alien parents, were called “natural-born subjects.” As that statute included persons born “within any of the King’s realms or dominions,” it, of course, extended to the Colonies, and, not having been repealed in Maryland, was in force there. In McCreery v. Somerville, (1824) 9 Wheat. 354, which concerned the title to land in the State of Maryland, it was assumed that children born in that State of an alien who was still living, and who had not been naturalized, were “native-born citizens of the [p662] United States,” and, without such assumption, the case would not have presented the question decided by the court, which, as stated by Mr. Justice Story in delivering the opinion, was

whether the statute applies to the case of a living alien ancestor, so as to create a title by heirship where none would exist by the common law if the ancestor were a natural-born subject.

9 Wheat. 356.

Again, in Levy v. McCartee (1832), 6 Pet. 102, 112, 113, 115, which concerned a descent cast since the American Revolution, in the State of New York, where the statute of 11 & 12 Will. III had been repealed, this court, speaking by Mr. Justice Story, held that the case must rest for its decision exclusively upon the principles of the common law, and treated it as unquestionable that, by that law, a child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, quoting the statement of Lord Coke in Co.Lit. 8a, that,

if an alien cometh into England and hath issue two sons, these two sons are indigenae, subjects born, because they are born within the realm,

and saying that such a child “was a native-born subject, according to the principles of the common law stated by this court in McCreery v. Somervlle, 9 Wheat. 354.”

In Dred Scott v. Sandford, (1857) 19 How. 393, Mr. Justice Curtis said:

The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, “a natural-born citizen.” It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.

19 How. 576. And, to this extent, no different opinion was expressed or intimated by any of the other judges.

In United States v. Rhodes (1866), Mr. Justice Swayne, sitting in the Circuit Court, said:

All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. . . . We find no warrant for the opinion [p663] that this great principle of the common law has ever been changed in the United States. It has always obtained here with the same vigor, and subject only to the same exceptions, since as before the Revolution.

1 Abbott (U.S.) 28, 40, 41.

The Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts, speaking by Mr. Justice (afterwards Chief Justice) Sewall, early held that the determination of the question whether a man was a citizen or an alien was “to be governed altogether by the principles of the common law,” and that it was established, with few exceptions,

that a man born within the jurisdiction of the common law is a citizen of the country wherein he is born. By this circumstance of his birth, he is subjected to the duty of allegiance which is claimed and enforced by the sovereign of his native land, and becomes reciprocally entitled to the protection of that sovereign, and to the other rights and advantages which are included in the term “citizenship.”

Garder v. Ward (1805), 2 Mass. 244, note. And again:

The doctrine of the common law is that every man born within its jurisdiction is a subject of the sovereign of the country where he is born, and allegiance is not personal to the sovereign in the extent that has been contended for; it is due to him in his political capacity of sovereign of the territory where the person owing the allegiance as born.

Kilham v. Ward (1806), 2 Mass. 236, 265. It may here be observed that, in a recent English case, Lord Coleridge expressed the opinion of the Queen’s Bench Division that the statutes of 4 Geo. II, (1731) c. 1, and 13 Geo. III (1773), c. 21, (hereinafter referred to) “clearly recognize that to the King in his politic, and not in his personal, capacity is the allegiance of his subjects due.” Isaacson v. Durant, 17 Q.B.D. 54, 65.

The Supreme Court of North Carolina, speaking by Mr; Justice Gaston, said:

Before our Revolution, all free persons born within the dominions of the King of Great Britain, whatever their color or complexion, were native-born British subjects; those born out of his allegiance were aliens. . . . Upon the Revolution, no other change took place in the law of North Carolina than was consequent upon the transition from a colony dependent on an European King to a free and sovereign [p664] State; . . . British subjects in North Carolina became North Carolina freemen; . . . and all free persons born within the State are born citizens of the State. . . . The term “citizen,” as understood in our law, is precisely analogous to the term “subject” in the common law, and the change of phrase has entirely resulted from the change of government. The sovereignty has been transferred from one man to the collective body of the people, and he who before as a “subject of the king” is now “a citizen of the State.”

State v. Manuel (1838), 4 Dev. & Bat. 20, 24-26.

That all children born within the dominion of the United States of foreign parents holding no diplomatic office became citizens at the time of their birth does not appear to have been contested or doubted until more than fifty years after the adoption of the Constitution, when the matter was elaborately argued in the Court of Chancery of New York and decided upon full consideration by Vice Chancellor Sandford in favor of their citizenship. Lynch v. Clark, (1844) 1 Sandf.Ch. 583.

The same doctrine was repeatedly affirmed in the executive departments, as, for instance, by Mr. Marcy, Secretary of State, in 1854, 2 Whart.Int.Dig. (2d ed.) p. 394; by Attorney General Black in 1859, 9 Opinions, 373, and by Attorney General Bates in 1862, 10 Opinions, 328, 382, 394, 396.

Chancellor Kent, in his Commentaries, speaking of the “general division of the inhabitants of every country under the comprehensive title of aliens and natives,” says:

Natives are all persons born within the jurisdiction and allegiance of the United States. This is the rule of the common law, without any regard or reference to the political condition or allegiance of their parents, with the exception of the children of ambassadors, who are in theory born within the allegiance of the foreign power they represent. . . . To create allegiance by birth, the party must be born not only within the territory, but within the ligeance of the government. If a portion of the country be taken and held by conquest in war, the conqueror acquires the rights of the conquered as to its dominion and government, and children born in the armies of a State, while [p665] abroad and occupying a foreign country, are deemed to be born in the allegiance of the sovereign to whom the army belongs. It is equally the doctrine of the English common law that, during such hostile occupation of a territory, and the parents be adhering to the enemy as subjects de facto, their children, born under such a temporary dominion, are not born under the ligeance of the conquered.

2 Kent Com. (6th ed.) 39, 42. And he elsewhere says:

And if, at common law, all human beings born within the ligeance of the King, and under the King’s obedience, were natural-born subjects, and not aliens, I do not perceive why this doctrine does not apply to these United States, in all cases in which there is no express constitutional or statute declaration to the contrary. . . . Subject and citizen are, in a degree, convertible terms as applied to natives, and though the term citizen seems to be appropriate to republican freemen, yet we are, equally with the inhabitants of all other countries, subjects, for we are equally bound by allegiance and subjection to the government and law of the land.

2 Kent Com. 258, note.

Mr. Binney, in the second edition of a paper on the Alienigenae of the United States, printed in pamphlet at Philadelphia, with a preface bearing his signature and the date of December 1, 1853, said:

The common law principle of allegiance was the law of all the States at the time of the Revolution and at the adoption of the Constitution, and, by that principle, the citizens o the United States are, with the exceptions before mentioned,

(namely, foreign-born children of citizens, under statutes to be presently referred to)

such only as are either born or made so, born within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States or naturalized by the authority of law, either in one of the States before the Constitution or, since that time, by virtue of an act of the Congress of the United States.

P. 20.

The right of citizenship never descends in the legal sense, either by the common law or under the common naturalization acts. It is incident to birth in the country, or it is given personally by statute. The child of an alien, if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle. [p666]

P. 22, note. This paper, without Mr. Binney’s name and with the note in a less complete form and not containing the passage last cited, was published (perhaps from the first edition) in the American Law Register for February, 1854. 2 Amer.Law Reg.193, 203, 204.


78 posted on 02/29/2012 8:34:00 PM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: 4Zoltan
Oh, look! The second string has shown up!
79 posted on 02/29/2012 8:49:43 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: rolling_stone
“Nonetheless, the government asserts that the requested instruction “was not supported by the law” because “[t]he issue of Marguet-Pillado’s claim of derivative citizenship was decided as a matter of law” in Marguet I.”

This does not refute the statement defining NBC. It refers to the fact that in the first trial (Marguet I) Marguet-Pillado stipulated that the US citizen appearing on his Mexican BC when he was born in Mexico was NOT his biological father.

In “Marguet I” the defendant was determined to be an _alien_ as a matter of law so the DOJ said that in the second trail (now Marguet II) the defendant could not now turn around and withhold his prior stipulation that he was an alien from the jury and request a jury instruction requiring the DOJ to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was NOT a US citizen.

The appeals court in this second appeal decided that since this was a criminal case and proof that the defendant was in fact an alien was “an element” of the crime he was charged with...he was, in fact, entitled to a jury instruction defining the types of citizenship and the burden of proof on the DOJ to prove that he was not one of those, including NBC...which was conveniently defined as merely having a biological relationship with a US citizen who met certain residency requirements.

Utter crap! (channeling “Black Adder”) I can see the court requiring the DOJ to prove that the defendant was an alien, but the language stating "No one disputes the Marguet-Pillado's requested instruction was 'an accurate statement of the law'..." was the part that could well have been inserted by the Califoria cabal to protect Barry even if he was born in Kenya.

80 posted on 02/29/2012 8:52:33 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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