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Romney, Santorum camps at odds over delegate math (Mitt's Voodoo Math)
CNN ^ | March 7, 2012

Posted on 03/07/2012 11:48:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

In a memo to reporters, Romney Political Director Rich Beeson laid out his camp's view that neither Santorum nor any of the other candidates in the race has any chance of securing enough delegates to secure the Republican nomination......

"Super Tuesday dramatically reduced the likelihood that any of Governor Romney's opponents can obtain the Republican nomination," Beeson wrote. "As Governor Romney's opponents attempt to ignore the basic principles of math, the only person's odds of winning they are increasing are President Obama's."

Beeson cited Romney's current lead in delegates and a tough upcoming primary and caucus calendar as examples of the tough road ahead for Romney's rivals. CNN currently estimates Romney to have won 404 delegates, well ahead of Santorum at 165, Newt Gingrich with 106 and Ron Paul with 66. A candidate needs 1,144 delegates to seal up the GOP nomination.

"Neither opponent succeeded in closing his delegate deficit, and the calendar ahead offers them dwindling opportunities to close the gap," Beeson wrote. "Looking at the weeks ahead, the remaining 34 contests have turned into a steep uphill climb for Governor Romney's opponents."

But, speaking to CNN, Santorum campaign adviser John Brabender brushed off the Romney campaign's analysis as "voodoo math," saying the figures were meant to dissuade voters from casting ballots for rival candidates.

"What he is saying he wants to do is disenfranchise Republican primary voters," Brabender said, pointing out that many of the delegates currently awarded to Romney in estimates were non-binding.

"What Romney is trying to do is call the game before it's even halftime because he has a lead," Brabender said.

He asserted conservatives shouldn't let a "moderate" dictate the winner of the Republican primary.

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It is still a horse race and not locked up for Mitt -- and why there is this push by the MSM and the GOP-e to make Mitt inevitable (as well as Santorum's PAC riding their slip-stream barrage calling on Newt to get out).

Time to look at the numbers.

They are trying to "disenfranchise" primary voters by calling the game for Romney.

1 posted on 03/07/2012 11:48:37 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What sort of president would Romney make if he’s already “cheating” for votes?


2 posted on 03/07/2012 11:55:30 AM PST by madison10
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Its pretty bad when one of Mitt's own supporters (Former Mi AG, Mike Cox) Calls foul on the vote.


The Michigan Republican Party (MRP) Credentials Committee voted 4-2 last night to give Mitt Romney both of the state's at-large delegates, State Policy Committee Chair Mike Cox told MIRS today.

Cox was one of two "no" votes on the committee which met via telephone, along with attorney Eric Doster The "yes" votes included GOP National Committeeman Saul Anuzis, a Romney supporter, and MRP Chair Bobby Schostak.

That would put the delegate split at 16 for Romney and 14 for Rick Santorum, after each candidate won 14 delegates apiece in those divided by Michigan's 14 congressional districts.

As MIRS first reported on Wednesday, the MRP was delaying a final decision on the delegate split until after consulting with attorneys.

Cox said that according to the MRP rules, Santorum and Romney should each get one of Michigan's two at-large delegates based on their take of the popular vote.

"I supported Mitt, but the vote was clearly wrong," Cox said of the Credentials Committee. "It's kind of like Third World voting. We published rules and then we voted to change the rules."

Because The Narrative Cannot Survive A Rewrite

3 posted on 03/07/2012 12:07:23 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
If Rick and Newt continue to split the vote, they are opening up the only opportunity for Romney to win outright. If one or the other would whole heartidly throw in behind the other, they could almost certainly stop Romney fom reaching the magic number. Whether they could gain it themselves is more questionable...but they would surely push to a brokered convention where they could negotiatie a more conservative ticket in order to release their delegates.

Here's my analysis from my latest update to my GOP Primary Tracker Site:


Super Tuesday is now over. 10 States held primaries or caucuses. Mitt Romney won 6 of the 10. Rick Santorum won 3 of the 10, and Newt Gingrich one 1 of 10, his home state of Georgia.. A majority was won by a single candidate in only tree of the states. All by Mitt Romney with Mass at 72%, Idaho at 62% and Virginia at 60%. Of the total of 23 contests held to date, Romney has won an absolute majority 4 times, adding Nevada to the above at just over 50%. The only other majority win was Santorum in Missouri with 57%. To date, Romney has won 14 contests, Santorum has won 7 contests, and Newt Gingrich has won 2 contests. Ron Paul has not won any.

In the popular vote, to date Romney leads with over 3.2 million votes which is right at 40%. Santorum is second with 2 million votes or 26% , Gingrich is third with 1.8 million votes or 22% and Ron Paul is fourth with 900 thousand votes or 11%.

The effectiveness of Romney's campaign however, can be measured in his delegate count. Although he has only one 40% of the popular vote, this has translated to date into 431 delgates or 54% of the total delegates awarded to date. Santorum follows with 176 delegates or 21%, Gingrich with 126 or 15% and Paul with 79 delegates or 10%. At this rate, Romney has a good chance of winning the delegates needed to clinch the nomination before the convention, but it will go on until late in the season.

So, after Santorum's three win in February, Romney bounced back with five straight wins. On March 6th, Super Tuesday, Romney added six more wins, Santorum three more, and Gingrich one more. Romney is estatic about coming from behind and winning Ohio, though it was a near thing. Because of the closeness of the Ohio votes, and his other three wins, Santorum vows to stay in. Gingrich because of his strong win in his home state of Georgia also vows to stay in, and there was never any question, even with no wins, that Ron Paul will stay in on principle.

In my opinion, the tough primary season, despite pundents prognostications, continues to strengthen the candidates, keeping the GOP message at the top of the news cycle, and preparing the nominee to fight Obama. Any of the four would be orders of magnitude better than Barack Obama and his dismal failures. Here's the GOPTracking results now after Super Tuesday.


2012 GOP Presidential Primary Season Tracker (including caucuses) - LAST UPDATE: March 7, 2012

2012 GOP Primaries Date Mitt Romney Newt Gingrich Rick Santorum Ron Paul Ron Huntsman Rick Perry Michele Bachman Herman Cain Totals
Votes % Del's Win Votes % Del's Win Votes % Del's Win Votes % Del's Win Votes % Del's Votes % Del's Votes % Del's Votes % Del's Votes Del's
Iowa 1/3/2012 29,805 24.58% 7 - 16,163 13.33% 2 - 29,839 24.61% 7 1 26,036 21.47% 7 - 739 0.61% 0 12,557 10.36% 0 6,046 4.99% 0 58 0.05% 0 121,243 23
New Hamp 1/10/2012 97,601 39.81% 7 1 23,291 9.50% 0 - 23,362 9.53% 0 - 56,872 23.20% 3 - 41,783 17.04% 2 1,764 0.72% 0 350 0.14% 0 160 0.07% 0 245,183 12
South Caro 1/21/2012 168,152 27.86% 2 - 244,133 40.44% 23 1 102,492 16.98% 0 - 78,362 12.98% 0 - 1,173 0.19% 0 2,534 0.42% 0 491 0.08% 0 6,326 1.05% 0 603,663 25
Florida 1/31/2012 776,059 46.44% 50 2 534,040 31.96% 0 - 223,208 13.36% 0 - 117,410 7.03% 0 - 6,199 0.37% 0 6,773 0.41% 0 3,967 0.24% 0 3,492 0.21% 0 1,671,148 50
Nevada 2/4/2012 16,486 50.12% 14 3 6,956 21.15% 6 - 3,277 9.96% 3 - 6,175 18.77% 5 - 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 32,894 28
Main   2,190 39.65% 9 4 349 6.32% 0 - 989 17.90% 3 - 1,996 36.13% 7 - 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 5,524 19
Colorado 2/7/2012 22,875 35.00% 13 - 8,394 12.84% 1 - 26,372 40.35% 17 2 7,713 11.80% 1 - 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 65,354 32
Minnesota   8,096 16.97% 2 - 5,134 10.76% 1 - 21,436 44.94% 25 3 13,030 27.32% 9 - 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 47,696 14
Missouri   63,826 26.24% 0 - 9,859 4.05% 0 - 138,957 57.12% 0 4 30,641 12.59% 0 - 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 243,283 0
Arizona 2/28/2012 216,805 47.99% 29 5 74,110 16.40% 0 - 122,088 27.03% 0 - 38,753 8.58% 0 - 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 451,756 29
Michigan   409,899 42.34% 16 6 65,016 6.72% 0 - 377,521 38.99% 14 - 115,712 11.95% 0 - 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 968,148 30
Washington 3/3/2012 19,111 37.65% 30 7 5,221 10.28% 0 - 12,089 23.81% 5 - 12,594 24.81% 5 - 924 1.82% 0 437 0.86% 0 198 0.39% 0 190 0.37% 0 50,764 40
Wyoming   822 38.99% 10 8 165 7.83% 1 - 673 31.93% 9 - 439 20.83% 6 - 3 0.14% 0 2 0.09% 0 2 0.09% 0 2 0.09% 0 2,108 26
Alaska 3/6/2012 4,285 32.52% 8 9 1,856 14.09% 3 - 3,860 29.30% 7 - 3,175 24.10% 6 - 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 13,176 24
Georgia S 225,926 25.18% 15 - 417,364 47.81% 47 2 172,473 19.76% 10 - 57,125 6.54% 4 - 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 872,888 76
Idaho u 27,514 61.61% 32 10 940 2.11% 0 - 8,115 18.17% 0 - 8,086 18.11% 0 - 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 44,655 32
Massachusetts p 260,509 73.29% 41 11 16,756 4.71% 0 - 43,6114 12.27% 0 - 34,575 9.735 0 - 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 355,455 41
N. Dakota  e 2,691 23.71% 7 - 961 8.48% 2 - 4,510 39.74% 11 5 3,186 28.07% 8 - 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 11,349 28
Ohio r 453,927 38.93% 32 12 174,606 14.78% 10 - 441,908 37.42% 20 - 110,633 9.37% 4 - 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 1,181,074 66
Oklahoma   80,291 28.34% 13 - 78,686 27.77% 13 - 96,759 34.15% 14 6 27,572 9.73% 13 - 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 283,208 43
Tennessee T 153,889 28.46% 18 - 132,142 24.43% 12 - 204,978 37.90% 26 7 49,782 9.21% 2 - 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 540,791 58
Vermont u 22,533 41.01% 9 13 4,606 8.39% 0 - 13,401 24.39% 4 - 14,407 26.22% 4 - 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 54,949 17
Virginia e 158,050 59.52% 44 14 0 0.00% 0 - 0 0.00% 0 - 107,470 40.48% 5 - 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 0 0.00% 0 265,520 49
Kansas 3/10/2012                                                           40
Guam                                                             9
Virgin Islands                                                             9
Alabama 3/13/2012                                                           50
Am Somoa                                                             9
Hawaii                                                             20
Mississippi                                                             40
Missouri 3/17/2012                                                           52
Puerto Rico 3/18/2024                                                           23
Illinois 3/20/2012                                                           69
Louisiana 3/24/2012                                                           46
DC 4/3/2012                                                           19
Maryland                                                             37
Wisconsin                                                             42
Texas                                                             155
                                                               
At large Del's       23       4       1       0       0     0     0         28
TOTALS   3,221,342 39.61% 431 14 1,820,751 22.39% 124 2 2,071,921 25.48% 183 7 921,744 11.33% 78 0 50,821 1.13% 2 24,067 0.53% 0 11,054 0.25% 0 10,228 0.23% 0 8,131,928 814
To Date % of Delegates Romney 53% Gingrich 15% Santorum 21% Paul 10% Huntsman <1% Perry 0% Bachman 0% Cain 0%

In my estimation, Super Tuesday though certainly not a "knock out" by any means, represented a moderatley strong showing and victory for Romney. He took six states and the lion's share of delegates and is on a path to outright win the nomination. Santorum had a decent night, but it had to be disappointing. If he had won Ohio and his margins had been better in Okalahoma and Tennessee, he would have had an outstanding night. Newt Gingrich has to be strongly disappointed. He won his home state by 20 ponits (but to be fair, Romney won his true home state by 60 points), but then Newt finished 3rd or fourth in all other contests and had a much smaller delegate count to show for it. For Paul, it has to be a huge disappointment. Though finishing second in a couple of races, his overall delegate count, even in the caucus states was meager at best. He was hoping to win North Dakota and gain more delegates overall, but none of that happened.

Romney will most probably at this point begin to pivot and focus more and more on going head to head with Obama and concentrating on finding a VP pick that will solidify as much of the party and base as he can for the general election.

Only by uniting, can Santorum and Gingrich now prevent Romney from having a real strong chance of winning the nomination outright. At this point I think the best they can hope for is a brokered convention...otherwise, mathematically, I believe Romney will ultimately eak out a win...probably at the 50-55% range of delegates needed. It seems at this point, for whatever reason, that Gingrich and Santorum are unwilling to unite, so they will continue to split the more conservative vote and allow Romney to win more contests and win a larger proportion of delegates in so doing. In the end, I will support any of the GOP candidates, whichever wins the nomination against the abject marxist ideolog, Obama, as any one of them will be far better than Barack Obama. Four more years of his horrific leadership and fundamental change could easily put this nation in a economic, debt, foreign policy, and energy hole we will have a very difficult and very painful time of digging our way out of...and at the cost of decades of heavy burden placed on our children and grandchildren.

If you have a mind, please ping others to this GOP Primary Tracker page.

America is at the crossroads of history and we must choose aright
(http://www.jeffhead.com/crossroads.htm)

Jeff Head
March 7, 2012

4 posted on 03/07/2012 12:07:58 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
Did you look at these numbers?
5 posted on 03/07/2012 12:20:43 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: cripplecreek; madison10

Fox News quoted Larry Sabato who said the VA GOP fixed their primary to keep people off the ballot. That they favor Romney and that the powers that be in VA made it happen.


6 posted on 03/07/2012 12:26:56 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Of course they did. Sounds like there were some late rules adjustments in Florida as well.


7 posted on 03/07/2012 12:29:05 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yes. Mine differ because in some of the states where they have not allocated committed delegates yet, I have projected them based on the votes in the counties and districts. As soon as those numbers firm up, I update my chart to agree.

So, my chart contains all of the hard allocated ones, plus the others I project, but that will be firmly allocated as soon as the local, state boards announce all of their numbers. When they do, I update my chart to the hard numbers.

Nice site that.


8 posted on 03/07/2012 12:30:04 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Newt Gingrich is ahead of Santorum on delegate count. Time for Santos to shut piehole take it like a man and compete.

http://elections.msnbc.msn.com/ns/politics/2012/all/republican/3/6#.T1fEk9XDvYB


9 posted on 03/07/2012 12:32:02 PM PST by Fred (http://whenmittromneycametotown.com)
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To: Fred

Team Santorum needs to stop calling for Gingrich to drop.

Well...unless they also want to disenfranchise Republican primary voters.


10 posted on 03/07/2012 12:50:42 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: cripplecreek
Sounds like there were some late rules adjustments in Florida as well.

Yes. Since the FL GOP moved their primary up (Jan 31?) before March 1 they should have apportioned the delegates and not given the 50 (was 99 but docket to 50 as "punishment") but they could give them all back at the Tampa convention if it suits them).

11 posted on 03/07/2012 12:52:31 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Jeff Head

It has tons of information. You can get lost in there.


12 posted on 03/07/2012 12:58:06 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Fred; Jeff Head; All
A good one page place for info
13 posted on 03/07/2012 1:02:08 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“They are trying to ‘disenfranchise’ primary voters by calling the game for Romney”

You are a mere two quotation marks away from adopting one of the commonest and stupidest liberal tactics.


14 posted on 03/07/2012 1:06:00 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

I was playing off the article’s use the expession.

And he is.


15 posted on 03/07/2012 1:08:50 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You know what is funniest of all. Everywhere I go that shows delegate numbers are different. Every last place. So if these so called experts are getting the delegate numbers wrong, how can it possibly be a fair system or maybe that is what they want. I say give each state a delegate count and make them winner takes all and that way this crazy delegate cheating system will not be available. I still think it is dumb for a 2nd or 3rd place finisher to get delegates. Why? I mean it is like in youth sports where the loser gets a trophy too since they don't want that team to feel bad. The dumbing down of America continues even when running for President. Why not keep the electoral college and the first person to get to 270 electorates get the nomination?
16 posted on 03/07/2012 1:18:06 PM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’d like to see Newt and Santorum work together to some extent: In the winner take all states, I’d like the one who is running behind in that individual state to withdraw and throw his support to the other. In the proportional states, I’d prefer that they fight it out and take as many votes and delegates from Romney as possible. I have a preference (Newt) but I could vote for either Gingrich or Santorum. I will not vote for Romney even if he is the nominee, and I want to see that RINO stopped. I don’t think America will be recognizable in four years if we have a Romney-Obama contest this year.


17 posted on 03/07/2012 1:19:44 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: madison10
"What sort of president would Romney make if he’s already “cheating” for votes?"

An excellent dimocRAT.

18 posted on 03/07/2012 1:21:42 PM PST by evad (STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING. It's the SPENDING Stupid)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“I was playing off the article’s use the expession.”

I gathered from the quotes.

“And he is.”

Well, then, you weren’t “playing off” the article, you were agreeing with the article. You only alluded to the article’s use to get around making the claim yourself, as was my point. Which begs the question, now that you’ve said it outright (”and he is”), why you didn’t save me time and come out with dirty lib doublespeak from the get-go.


19 posted on 03/07/2012 1:23:37 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Jeff Head

I agree with your post, but why are the other 17 states not on your list? Most of those are on the left and right coast and more Romney friendly, i.e. California and New York.


20 posted on 03/07/2012 1:24:27 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: Jeff Head

How many winner take all states left will lean Romney? That should be interesting.


21 posted on 03/07/2012 1:31:16 PM PST by dforest
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To: Tublecane

Go pick a fight with someone else.


22 posted on 03/07/2012 1:31:21 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: napscoordinator

I don’t mind the proportional method. It’s like the Electoral college. Romney zeros in on the high population centers and the rural areas have no voice.

There will be more winner take all coming down the line.


23 posted on 03/07/2012 1:33:31 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Go pick a fight with someone else”

Okay. If you don’t feel like justifying your use of “disenfranchise” as anything but egregious, I’m content to rest on victory.


24 posted on 03/07/2012 1:36:15 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Pollster1

In a way, Santorum had that opportunity in Michigan when Newt did not campaign there.


25 posted on 03/07/2012 1:38:28 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Tublecane

You insult me and then run like a rat shouting “victory” because I won’t engage you. You argue like a woman.


26 posted on 03/07/2012 1:40:36 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Jeff Head

Great work! Thanks!


27 posted on 03/07/2012 1:42:03 PM PST by icwhatudo
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“In a way, Santorum had that opportunity in Michigan when Newt did not campaign there.”


Well, it depends on what the definition of “campaign” is, but Newt was on the ballot, and was on the news campaigning every day leding up to the primary, and he ended up getting 65,000 votes. Romney edged Santorum by just 32,000 votes, so it’s safe to assume that Santorum would have won the state had Newt dropped out prior to Michigan. I’m not saying that he should have dropped out then, or that he should drop out now, but it is certainly true that Newt staying in the race has been beneficial to Romney. It is also true that with both Newt and Santorum in the running, neither one will get 50%+1 in Alabama or Mississippi, which means that the states’ delegates will be allocated by proportional representation, thereby giving Romney several delegates from each state instead of 0.


28 posted on 03/07/2012 2:12:32 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: cripplecreek
Of course they did. Sounds like there were some late rules adjustments in Florida as well.

So why bother with primary voting if come hell or high water the numbers WILL be what the party elites want anyway?

They may just as well pick their person and alienate party members and "dictate" who will be "our" choice.

29 posted on 03/07/2012 2:14:08 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: EGPWS
They may just as well pick their person and alienate party members and "dictate" who will be "our" choice.

As far as I'm concerned, that's what we'll get in a deadlocked convention.
30 posted on 03/07/2012 2:15:55 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: EGPWS
So why bother with primary voting if come hell or high water the numbers WILL be what the party elites want anyway?

Advertising dollars in a local economy, and a chance for boot-licking media and would-be appointees to humiliate themselves before their masters.

31 posted on 03/07/2012 2:17:06 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So santorum’s guy is blasting romney for doing what santorum himself is doing - which is to discourage voters from supporting their opponents and trying to get their opponents t drop out. This is a friggin circus.


32 posted on 03/07/2012 2:30:24 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The Romney camp doesn’t want to have Mitt go to his right to win. The Tea Party voters are pushing the agenda far beyond where the Establishment wishes to go. The Roves of the party decided long ago, then the party must never to any further right than George W, Bush, and no movement conservative in Texas ever thought the President to be one of them.


33 posted on 03/07/2012 2:34:42 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: napscoordinator

So, if a candidate manages to take 35% of the vote, with the remaining 65% going to other candidates, but split to the point that none of them manage to top 35%, then all of that state’s delegates should go to someone who the majority of the public rejected? The point of the state primaries is for delegates to be selected that provide a reasonable representation of the party at the national convention. Winner-take-all distorts this to a large degree, and would have guaranteed a Romney win by now. It isn’t “dumbing down”, it’s a system that produces a much more accurate reflection of the party voters.


34 posted on 03/07/2012 2:43:33 PM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: cripplecreek

The fix was in from the start. The establishment has manipulated, and continues to manipulate the system to ensure a Romney victory.


35 posted on 03/07/2012 2:49:22 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: muleskinner

I stopped the list at that date...will add more later if necessary.


36 posted on 03/07/2012 2:49:34 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

The next 10 days will show results in Kansas, Alabama, Mississippi and Missouri. If Newt can’t pull off at least one of those states (and if Santorum gets a sweep), it will make no sense for Newt to remain in the race. Having said that, the only way I see for Santorum to head off Romney is to take the bold step of declaring Newt as his VP running mate before the big primaries in Illinois on March 20 and Louisiana on March 24. A sweep of those two states would give the Santorum-Gingrich team huge momentum heading into the stretch run. Maryland, Wisconsin, Connecticut, Delaware, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia, Nebraska, Oregon, Arkansas, Kentucky and Texas all vote before the end of May. Nine of those states would be a lock for Santorum-Gingrich and they’d be competitive in Maryland, New York and Oregon. You never know what will happen if Romney loses his sheen of inevitability. Tough situations call for bold action. Santorum and Newt need to get in a room and sort this out in the next 10 days. The window of opportunity will soon close.


37 posted on 03/07/2012 3:05:34 PM PST by littleharbour
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To: littleharbour

If they were able and willing to do that, I agree, they would create the best shot for 1st, stopping Romney getting an outright nomination, and setting themselves up to do so instead.


38 posted on 03/07/2012 3:38:03 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Fred

Just listening to Kristol on FNC say that the next three States will be a win for Santorum and that Gingrich may have no alternative but to make it a two way race and bow out. They’ve already determined that Newt could not possibly win the next three States and believes Santorum has an outside chance of possibly pulling this out one-on-one against Romney.


39 posted on 03/07/2012 3:56:36 PM PST by StarFan
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To: Tublecane

How is it possible for you to misunderstand such a simple idea?


40 posted on 03/07/2012 4:18:08 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. See W.L. Craig, R. Zacharias, Erwin Lutzer, and others.)
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To: Jeff Head

Do you actually read what you post?
Remember brevity is the soul of wit.


41 posted on 03/07/2012 4:46:30 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: StarFan
Just listening to Kristol on FNC say that the next three States will be a win for Santorum

Kristol is talking out his rear end.

42 posted on 03/07/2012 5:29:21 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: svcw

Actually, I do...and you are certainly free to either read it or not and hold whatever opinion of it you will.

Be that as it may, I am also under no obligation and was unaware of any need to, “run it by you” for your approval before doing so.

Folks will find it useful and informative or not as they will. I just put it out there.

But have a great day.


43 posted on 03/07/2012 5:46:32 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

As always Jeff, answering questions or making statements to what was not stated or asked. A+


44 posted on 03/07/2012 5:51:55 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: svcw
answering questions or making statements to what was not stated or asked

Are you kidding me, svcw? Really?

Well, let's see, who jumped into this and started it?

Your post number 41 out of the blue was a comment that answered questions or made statements to me that were not stated or asked for as well, were they not?

So, Doc...heal thyself. You have a case of the Kettle calling the Pot black syndrome, IMHO.

If you don't like what I write...I'm sorry and that's fine. But there's no need to make a dispareging comment about it since it was not addressed to you in the first place anyway. I certainly don't go noticing your posts made to others on whatever topic and feel the need to make such statements about them.

Try and reciprocate...it'd be kind of nice.

45 posted on 03/07/2012 6:00:40 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
Romney will most probably at this point begin to pivot and focus more and more on going head to head with Obama and concentrating on finding a VP pick that will solidify as much of the party and base as he can for the general election.

Much as I don't like it, I'm thinking that George Stephanolopis was right in his candid remark that it is going to be a Romney/Santorum ticket.

46 posted on 03/07/2012 6:44:41 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

To be honest, most of the delegates so far are non binding.

Of the bound delegates:
Romney - 315
Newt - 105
Santorum - 78
Paul - 29

As for Santorum, he got great momentum from the Co, Mn, Mo day, but absolutely no secured delegates, which is probably why Newt and Mitt didnt try very hard there. Had those delegates been up for the taking, Im sure they would have. There is still a long way to go, and all four candidates have different approaches.

Santorum is going for state wins, regardless of delegates, in order to stay ahead in the national psyche.

Romney is going for superdelegates (usually party guys) and delegate heavy primaries.

Paul is going for delegate registration, regardless of winning in the state, in order to secure delegates at the conventions.

Gingrich seems to be using a similar tactic as Romney, and going for delegate heavy primaries.

But at this point Romney has 3 times as many delegates as his closest competitor, and has more committed delegates than the other three combined. Of course, he is still only about 1/4 of the way to being the winner based on delegates, but it is the reality right now.


47 posted on 03/07/2012 6:50:45 PM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: cripplecreek

Well, Romney also said he didnt think he should get both at large votes.


48 posted on 03/07/2012 6:51:52 PM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Raider Sam
Well, Romney also said he didnt think he should get both at large votes.

Easy to make meaningless statements like that.
49 posted on 03/07/2012 7:01:13 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Jeff Head

Whoa! Nice work. That deserves its own thread.


50 posted on 03/07/2012 7:15:07 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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