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Amish, Ok. Catholics, No. (HHS Mandate)
FaithfulCitizens ^ | March 9, 2012 | SR. MARYANN WALSH, USCCB

Posted on 03/11/2012 5:25:19 AM PDT by NYer

BY SR. MARYANN WALSH, USCCB

The Amish are exempt from the entire health care reform law. So are members of Medi-Share, a program of Christian Care Ministry. Yet, when the Catholic Church asks for a religious exemption from just one regulation issued under the law – the mandate that all employers, including religious institutions, must pay for sterilization and contraceptives, including abortion-inducing drugs – the Administration balks.

The government respects the First Amendment that guarantees the right to freely exercise one’s religious beliefs, but only to a point. In the health care law it picks and chooses which beliefs it respects. The Amish do not believe in insurance, and the government understands. Christian Care Ministry believes people should form a religious community and pay medical bills for one another, and the government says okay. Yet when the Catholic Church opposes being forced to pay for services that violate its beliefs, the Administration says “tough.”

What is so special about this mandate that it cannot be touched? It was added after Congress passed the health care law and offers no exemption for religious charitable or educational institutions. It will not accept Catholic charities and schools as “religious enough” unless they hire only Catholics, serve only Catholics, have the narrow tax exempt status granted to houses of worship, and teach religion as their purpose.
Amazingly, this mandate has more force than the overall health care law. In fact recent regulations allow states to decide which “essential health benefits” to require in health plans, such as hospitalization, prescription drugs and pediatric services. At the same time, all insurance plans must include the objectionable services mentioned above. Here federal law trumps state law and threatens to fine into submission institutions that dare oppose it. The going rate is at least $100 per day per employee.

What has the government got against the Catholic Church? Has it forgotten the contributions the church has made to the poor and needy for centuries?

Catholic elementary and secondary schools provide the only real alternative to public schools in many parts of the nation. Catholic colleges offer outstanding education, be it at the university or the community college. The contribution has a long history, back to 1789 when Georgetown University was founded by the Jesuits. Yet under the health care law, if these schools and colleges wish to remain faithful to their religious principles the government will fine them into submission. There’s a thank-you note.

Many Catholic hospitals were founded by religious orders of women, and today one out of six persons seeking hospital care in the United States goes to a Catholic hospital. Until now, religious background of the patient has not been an issue. “Where does it hurt?” is the first question, not “Where is your baptismal certificate?” This approach threatens to deny hospitals any real protection as “religious employers” under the new rule. Yet their Catholicity means many of these hospitals have an added benefit. At Providence Hospital in Washington, DC, for example, patients not only get medical care, they can get clothing too if they need it. It comes through the Ladies of Charity, an auxiliary of the Daughters of Charity who founded the hospital in 1861.
Catholic social service agencies, including adoption and foster care agencies, parish food banks, and soup kitchens, meet human concerns. Services depend on need, not creed. Church sponsorship means the services have a little extra, be they volunteers from parishes, financial donations through diocesan appeals, or the dedication that comes from working for God as well as paycheck.

A Catholic might take personally the Administration’s dissing their beliefs. Lucky the Amish, who have their basic constitutional rights respected. If only we objected to health insurance generally, we might be able to enjoy the same protection. Seems odd that the Administration is more inflexible on contraception than on services that actually treat disease.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: amish; catholic; catholicchurch; catholics; hhsmandate; nofair

1 posted on 03/11/2012 5:25:21 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 03/11/2012 5:26:21 AM PDT by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: NYer

I’ve gone Amish.


3 posted on 03/11/2012 5:26:44 AM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: NYer
Islam is also exempt to help those who attacked/attack/invade America.



4 posted on 03/11/2012 5:31:35 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: NYer
The Amish are exempt from the entire health care reform law. So are members of Medi-Share, a program of Christian Care Ministry. Yet, when the Catholic Church asks for a religious exemption from just one regulation issued under the law – the mandate that all employers, including religious institutions, must pay for sterilization and contraceptives, including abortion-inducing drugs – the Administration balks.

That's because the president hasn't decided to "crack down" on the Amish. Yet.

5 posted on 03/11/2012 5:32:09 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: NYer

The Amish Amish or the ones referred to on F.R. as “those Amish”, A.K.A. “Holders people”?


6 posted on 03/11/2012 5:33:26 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: NYer

Exemption from a law that never should have passed to begin with is an act of complicity with evil.


7 posted on 03/11/2012 5:35:38 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (There is life after FR.)
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To: NYer

14th amendment research needed


8 posted on 03/11/2012 5:36:52 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (and I will not go to Kansas to campaign against MITT.)
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To: NYer

How can this guy be a dictator?


9 posted on 03/11/2012 5:40:19 AM PDT by Principled
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To: NYer

Answer:

How many hospitals and universities have the Amish built and maintained?

How many hospitals, clinics, charities and Universities has the Catholic Church sponsored and supported for the past 200 years?


10 posted on 03/11/2012 5:57:36 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason...... to bring America back from the brink.)
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To: NYer

Let the Equal Protection litigation begin!


11 posted on 03/11/2012 6:18:05 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: the invisib1e hand
Exemption from a law that never should have passed to begin with is an act of complicity with evil.

Or at least it's a sign of weak-mindedness.

The Catholic Bishops have the opportunity to use their high media profile to explain why no employer, insurer, or insured should have to surrender his or her medical care decisions to Darth Sebelius or her successors, ever ... but as far as I can tell, they're not making the point or are completely unaware of it.

12 posted on 03/11/2012 6:18:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Maybe it IS about contraception. Read "Planned Parenthood v. Casey" decision, 1992.)
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To: NYer

What if the Catholic Church refused to comply? What happens then?


13 posted on 03/11/2012 6:37:17 AM PDT by jch10
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To: the invisib1e hand; Tax-chick
I'm with y'all. The Bishops should and could be saying that the whole law is unacceptable because it violates subsidiarity, which is the indispensible element of Catholic Social Justice doctrine which upholds the personal liberty/private responsibility interest, protects the richness and diversity of civil society ("intermediate institutions" as contrasted to the State) and stands against tyranny.

But no. They act like they never heard of it.

Who catechizes these catechists?

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

14 posted on 03/11/2012 6:37:45 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (If you think healthcare is expensive now, you should see what it costs when it's free. PJ O'Rourke)
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To: NYer

The article is fine I suppose, but where it goes wrong is in it’s quest for an exemption for Catholic Church’s.

The idea that taxpayers should have top provide abortion, and Contraceptives to women is wrong on it’s own. Why should I have to pay for someone’s contraceptives? If they want them let them buy them.If they get pregnant and wish to kill their fetus, go to the guy who planted the seed and make him pay for it.I should not have to pay for the murder of an innocent.

We don’t need an exemption we need the concept of free abortions and free contraception taken from the issue.

As for the Amish , I am pretty familiar with them , and you can believe me they have no use for contraception., and they don’t abort. The Amish love large families and most of their offspring come fast and furious. I asked an Amish lady one day if all of the kids in view were hers, and she said yes. I asked if any were twins, and she said no, but two of them were 8 years old.They don’t let any grass grow under their feet when it comes to breeding.


15 posted on 03/11/2012 6:42:08 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: NYer
The Constitution does not permit the US Government to determine which beliefs are "true" or "adequate" or even "relevant" to any religion.

That's where the cr*p the ObamaKKKare gurus are throwing at the RCs fails.

The traditional way the government deals with any religious group that claims a "benefit" on that basis (just like any other nonprofit) is still in effect at the Postal Service. There the law notices that there is an "organization" ~ one man operations don't count. It must also have a PRIMARY PURPOSE ~ to conduct worship, etc.

Where ObamaKKKare goes off the track is that the traditional law (still embedded in the USC somewhere) recognizes that such an organization may have OTHER PURPOSES. Postal rules state: "Organizations that incidentally engage in qualifying activities do not meet the primary purpose test" ~

The "incidental" rule means, basically, that you can't claim to be an educational institution if that's just incidental to the primary purpose ~ but, if your primary purpose is to be a church (e.g. The Roman Catholic Church's primary purpose is to be The Roman Catholic Church) then you qualify for the beneficial postage rates ~ and you can do other things ~ something churches, mosques, temples, etc. are known for ~ to wit, hospitals, educational programs, and maybe even old folks homes .

What the Obots and Obamistas have done is rule that IF you have a primary purpose you may have no purposes other than the primary purpose. They then pick and chose which of the purposes qualifies, and then they disqualify the others.

I think the Supreme Court will leave the ObamaKKKare standard on the cutting room floor where it shall remain.

Let's crank this down to one Catholic priest and a lay assistant. To start with it's not in the government's authority to send spies around to see if a priest is administering last rites or providing a sick person with an aspirin! The priest is, in and of himself, considered "religious" and you'll find folks using that term. If he hires on a lay assistant to carry the boxes of aspirin for him, that doesn't mean the priest is no longer engaged in his priestly mission, nor that you can require him to pay for practices abhorrent to his own religious beliefs ~ to wit, you cannot make the priest violate his conscience and religious vows by forcing him to hand over money to buy an insurance policy that pays for abortificiants. At no point does the priest ever become other than "religious" ~ so he cannot lose that status due to the incidental tasks carried out to support that mission.

Doesn't matter if you expand the role of this priest to that of a bishop who owns a school and a hospital, both of which he staffs to meet the needs of "the faithful", who also have some religious rights here with respect to the operation of the school and the hospital.

Again, using abortificiants as an example "the faithful" can expect the school and the hospital to be used in a manner acceptable to Catholics. Same goes for a Baptist school or hospital.

The qualification of a Church extends downward to every part and parcel of that church ~ provided it has a primary purpose and is organized to meet that purpose, and does so. The purpose and the acts taken to meet that purpose are NOT LIMITED to a single place.

16 posted on 03/11/2012 6:47:01 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: NYer

A Hydra Is Not The Mourning After Pill
OBAMACARE Must Be Destroyed By A Firebrand
by L.J .Keslin www.theusmat.com

Of the three GOP candidates remaining opposing Mitt Romney for the presidency Newt Gingrich , Ron Paul, and Rick Santorum. Only one has had the courage to take on a what they call a third rail issue...Eugenics... and has had his chacter asassinated for it... He’s been characterized as a women hater ,, a religious nut, a one trick pony, .... pummeled from both sides and that is Rick Santorum ,,,,What’s really in Obamacare and

What is Eugenics....? It’s control.... and all that goes with it.
Two groups late in the last century led in Eugenic development. The Nazis and the Communists. Few know or remember how the Nazis began. First citing “health risk” “nicht rauchen” baning cigarette smoking, Then terminating Down Syndrome children, and then on to mentally defective children and adults,. then on to besides murdering opponents, races. All done to make the German Reich healthy and last a thousand years.

Factoid a trillion seconds of time =31,596 years...to pay it off a $1 a second would take that long.. To pay it off at a Billion $$ a second only 995+ years

Eugenics put in common words is this :You surrender your individuality to the group to advance the greater good of the group. If your unhealthy or too old and you can’t work for the greater good of the group any more, you are disposed of in the way the group decides. If there are too many people , the group decides no more babiys, kill them. Now lets take the word”group” and change it for the word “ state”. That is what’s in Obamacare which is deceptively titled “The Affordable Health Care Act”

.So you go to the MSM (Main Stream Media) the so called “gate keepers” for information about these things and you find closed gates . Either it’s not mentioned at all , or downplayed, and given Obamacom talking point excuses for their reason. An example of this is how the sorcerers in the media were allowed to conjure Eugenics which is an integral part of Obama/Romneycare known as the Affordable Health Care Act . magically reduce a 2000 page Hydra , a nine headed venomous snake that must be slain by a firebrand ,and morph it into the mourning after pill and a “womans health care issue.” .
The “gatekeepers” never called it out for what it is ..Obama and his Demo-com HHS department Secretary Selbelius who is a CINO (Catholic In Name Only and should be excommunicated period) .Yet Obamacom tzars who hail from that foreign land, the deep swamp of Acadamica are all preaching the utopian wonders of Eugenics. Why it’s the final solution (remember him ?) population control. Which is part of the Obamacare package. Obamacomms are on record and actually called it population control and recomended Catholic bishops support it. Their statements are out there .But not offered by the so called gate-keepers but by the AM the alternate media, meaning radio talk shows like Limbaugh’s and websites like Britebart’s Government . Places Obama wants to shut down and will once re-elected .

Another issue is its constitutionality imposing a current government position on religious groups. And BTW (by the way) one group has been excluded in the “Affordable Health Care Act” for religious reasons ...the Amish....Again silence from MSM

.Demanding changes of acceptance in what was traditional core cultural values held by religious groups and advancing eugenics meaning infantacide and condeming seniors to soylent green centers certainly does have a place in the political discussion.

Once upon a time there were Democrat voices who would warn when pitfalls of bad legislation appeared. Saddly there are no longer any independent voices in todays Democrat Party. Liberal watch dogs like Proxmire or Moynihan are gone . A liberal would be screaming about the benefits from private job creation projects like an iron mine in Wisconsin for a desperate area in need of jobs or the Keystone pipeline transfering oil from Canada to American refineries and support them. A socialist or communist because of a political agenda,would reject them and they have. In each case the US Senate, and the Wisconsin state (hate the governor) senate dominated by agenda driven democrats killed both projects .They’re not just Democrats but hyphenated Demo-Coms placing their political agenda above the common good.

The Keystone pipeline and iron mine decisions which would have provided employment to thousands and reduced gas prices. Their rejection by the demo-coms should send a signal to the Republican bleeding heart establishment . “Bi-partisanship” doesn’t exist with socialists and to its leading presidential candidate ,Mitt Romney. Mr Romney should start realizing Obama is a “socialist”.. Everyone including the monthly liberal magazine Newsweek knows he is but Mr Romney just can’t seem to get around to saying it .

Where the Santorum campaign failed was to allow the media to describe the issue and reduce it into popping a pill. Furthurmore in Ohio’s case you had some local major market so called “conservative” talk show hosts ridiculing Santorum on this issue not just the drummers (as in venomous snake oil hustlers) on MSM.
Whether Santorum decides to shy away from this issue or re-frame it is up to him and his advisors. But he should be encouraged to re-adjust the focus. One way the Catholic bishops can help is use the mechanisms they have to do so...After all they have shut down parishes which retained the latin mass but can’t speakout and act on this despicable movement ? Particularly when that is being shoved on religious groups by the Demo-Coms . Especially when they’re ignoring constitutional rights...L.J.K.


17 posted on 03/11/2012 6:47:12 AM PDT by mosesdapoet ("The best way to punish a country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great p/p)
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To: NYer

They use their faith to get out of a lot of things....in KY they do not have to carry uninsured motorist ins....one 12 year old and his 8 year old sibling, driving a old plow horse and buggy, turned into my DIL’s car, totaled it. By the grace of God no one but the horse was hurt, the LEO had to destroy it. It was as big as a Clydsdale.


18 posted on 03/11/2012 6:48:25 AM PDT by GailA (Any congress critter or president who FAILS to keep faith with the Military, WON'T keep faith with U)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; the invisib1e hand
Who catechizes these catechists?

Ideally, Thomas Sowell would! Even the ones who are theologically faithful and pastorally dedicated seem utterly clueless about basic economics (or political science).

They couldn't have completed all the academic requirements for ordination if they weren't of generally good intelligence, so one is left shaking one's head in despair, sighing, "What is WRONG with these people?!?"

19 posted on 03/11/2012 6:49:09 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Maybe it IS about contraception. Read "Planned Parenthood v. Casey" decision, 1992.)
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To: the invisib1e hand; Tax-chick

Check my post at #16. There still exist sections of the USC and the CFR that reflect that view ~ and they are embedded in the USPS rules regarding the use of nonprofit postage rates by churches. You might want to read those rules in http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/703.htm but before you do that, be advised that you really only begin to understand their breadth and limitations after years of practice. They have some “trick words”. IRS abandoned these standards decades ago WITHOUT a change in the underlying federal law. I’d imagine the people putting ObamaKKKare together had no idea the IRS standards were waiting on their own lawsuit as well.


20 posted on 03/11/2012 6:52:18 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GailA

Speak softly and ride a big horse ~


21 posted on 03/11/2012 6:53:39 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I see the point you’re making, but it doesn’t change the fact that the whole concept of insurance mandates from the government, and from the Federal government in specific, is fundamentally WRONG.


22 posted on 03/11/2012 6:55:22 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Maybe it IS about contraception. Read "Planned Parenthood v. Casey" decision, 1992.)
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To: Tax-chick
Of course they are wrong ~ but I'm not debating that point.

We have entire too many Goobers over in the Democrat party to NOT show them why their leiders are Fascist Pigs and are not to be trusted.

Did you like the way I start with one priest out visiting the sick and dying. Some he gives last rites. Others he gives an aspirin. Over time his burden becomes great and he needs to hire a servant to carry the aspirins ~ which he discovers to be a wonderful medicine provided by God Himself.

No matter where the priest travels or what building he enters he is performing his religious obligations by prayer, administering the sacraments, or handing out aspirins ~ and by providing sound advice "here, take this".

You apply that view to the entire Roman Catholic Church, or the Holiness church down on the corner where everyone is a priest, and there you have it.

Obama and his crowd do not see it that way at all ~ that's because "they" hate religion and religious people and religious functions.

They'd rather kill you than to see you do good.

23 posted on 03/11/2012 7:07:11 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: NYer

“How many divisions does the Pope have?” mocked Obama, whoops I meant Stalin.


24 posted on 03/11/2012 7:41:00 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: Principled
How can this guy be a dictator?

Exactly - if he were a dictator, them pesky Amish folks, and all his a$$-kissing supporters would not get a break.

25 posted on 03/11/2012 7:42:41 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: sodpoodle

It is precisely those Catholic hospitals, clinics, charities and Universities that threaten what the leftists see as the legitimate function of government - equally poor cradle-to-grave education and medical care combined with worship of government and our “leaders” rather than God. Obama, Democrats & Co. are bent on wiping out the competition, the Constitution be damned.


26 posted on 03/11/2012 8:09:43 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Libloather

every sect has an origin...even the Amish.

We could come up with our own hybrid sect...faithful to Rome, AND opposed to modern day society.


27 posted on 03/11/2012 8:22:30 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: muawiyah; Huber
Did you like the way I start with one priest out visiting the sick and dying. Some he gives last rites. Others he gives an aspirin.

Yes, I did.

(Huber, muawiyah's post #23 has a well-done illustration that might contribute ideas to the piece you're writing.)

28 posted on 03/11/2012 8:35:12 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Maybe it IS about contraception. Read "Planned Parenthood v. Casey" decision, 1992.)
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To: Tax-chick

“The Catholic Bishops have the opportunity to use their high media profile to explain why no employer, insurer, or insured should have to surrender his or her medical care decisions to Darth Sebelius or her successors, ever ... but as far as I can tell, they’re not making the point or are completely unaware of it.”.............

False. Cardinal Timothy Dolan as head of the USCCB has written two lengthy letters to the bishops regarding the mandate. The letters have been released to the public as well.

They can be accessed readily on the internet. Look at The Catholic League’s site and/or also the CNS News Service under the heading “Blogs” . EWTN also has the letters online.

Just because you have not seen it, does not mean they are not working against this administration’s bullying tactics.
Dolan has emphatically stated that the RC church will not comply with the mandate. End of story. This topic is going to get bigger and BIGGER as we progress into the spring and summer.

Personally I am working on educating all the nuns at a local retirement home. They are so very naive, but are outwardly aware of the mandate, yet not very informed about the spicifics. I figure it is my duty to keep them informed! Today I begin by bringing them literature - all from Catholic sources (so they will believe what they read). I am hoping that by November, none of them will still believe a word that Obama says.


29 posted on 03/11/2012 8:37:30 AM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: jch10

“What if the Catholic Church refused to comply? What happens then?”

This administration would impose a HUGE fine...and the Church would be forced to close, schools, hospitals, and a variety of service organizations for the poor and hurting of our society.

However, I believe that this mandate will NOT stand. Obama has NO idea of how strongly we will fight this....with both prayer and action!


30 posted on 03/11/2012 9:25:29 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

My thoughts exactly.How long before the buggy is banned?


31 posted on 03/11/2012 9:49:09 AM PDT by georgia peach (georgia peach)
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To: NYer

IIRC Muslims are exempt, as well.


32 posted on 03/11/2012 10:34:40 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Gumdrop; Mrs. Don-o; the invisib1e hand
I have just reread Cdl. Dolan's letter dated March 2, and I do not understand him to be saying that the Federal government has no authority to impose this mandate, or any other similar mandate, on any employer, insurer, or insurance purchasers. In fact, his continued emphasis on this being a religious freedom issue seems to imply that he, as the representative of the Church, would accept an accommodation that exempted Christian ministries from compliance, while enforcing the mandate on employers without religious scruples on the issue.

If I have misunderstood the Bishops' approach to the question, I would appreciate some specific quotes that show their applying, as Mrs. Don-o said, the principle of subsidiarity to the whole question of medical care and medical insurance, as well as to the specific point of contraception (sterilization, prenatal infanticide). Otherwise, as the original comment from "the invisib1e hand" stated, their position would be that it is acceptable for the government to compel others to participate in something the Bishops consider immoral.

It seems to me - to branch off into generalization - that many Catholics speaking publically about this issue are loath to say, outright, "Contraception is wrong. Sterilization is wrong. Chemical prenatal infanticide is wrong. All these things are wrong even when the people committing the acts don't realize it." One need not say "Contraception should be illegal" in order to say that it is always wrong, just as one need not say "Adultery should be illegal," to say it is always wrong. As we are seeing, one gets the same result from saying, "We don't think employers with religious objections should have to pay," as from saying, "It's wrong and should be against the law," so why not take at least a *little* stronger stance, since they're going to take the heat anyway for what they *don't* say.

33 posted on 03/11/2012 11:57:23 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Maybe it IS about contraception. Read "Planned Parenthood v. Casey" decision, 1992.)
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To: Scotswife
faithful to Rome, AND opposed to modern day society

Sorry ... if it's my washing machine or my soul, my washing machine wins!

34 posted on 03/11/2012 11:58:53 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Maybe it IS about contraception. Read "Planned Parenthood v. Casey" decision, 1992.)
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To: trebb
Joseph Mengele had a young Gypsy boy that he dressed in the finest clothes, and fed the best food. He took the boy everywhere with him.

When the end came near and the Allies approached the camp where he'd been killing and torturing people he took the Gypsy boy over to the ovens and tossed him!

So it will be with the Amish with a real dictator. He will shower them with exemptions and appear to leave them alone. Then, someday, when it's tight he'll make sure they die just like everybody else he hated.

The "Gypsy Boy" story is supposed to be true, and all who have read it in any number of books about Gypsies have an obligation to pass it on.

BTW, the only books about Gypsies that are in libraries are those with that story in them. Otherwise they've been checked out permanently because, as they say "it's none of your business". This, though, is your business, my business, and their business.

35 posted on 03/11/2012 12:07:02 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tax-chick

true that! HA!

I’m just trying to work my way around this mandate business ;)


36 posted on 03/11/2012 12:41:26 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife

If the price of energy gets too much higher, 19th-century technology might look better.


37 posted on 03/11/2012 1:03:43 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Maybe it IS about contraception. Read "Planned Parenthood v. Casey" decision, 1992.)
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To: Tax-chick

It’s KILLING ME!!! We live near many Amish and Mennonites.
I am often envious.
When I’m not watching The Mentalist, that is ;)


38 posted on 03/11/2012 3:21:23 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife

I tried to get my husband to move to the farm in Missouri, back when we still had the farm to move to, so all these boys could grow their own food ... but he was stuck in the 20th century for some reason.

Oh, well ... we like “Bones” and “Numb3rs” right now ;-).


39 posted on 03/11/2012 3:44:06 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Maybe it IS about contraception. Read "Planned Parenthood v. Casey" decision, 1992.)
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To: NYer
Amish, Ok. Catholics, No. (HHS Mandate)

That's because there aren't enough Amish to make any difference.
40 posted on 03/11/2012 3:48:19 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Tax-chick

We are soooooo screwed!


41 posted on 03/11/2012 3:57:37 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: NYer
I believe that Muslims are also exempt from Obamacare too.
42 posted on 03/11/2012 4:04:56 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: SumProVita

I think it would be too inflamatory for Federal troops to enter a hospital or schoool, etc with the orders to shut it down. Americans will not allow that. Sureky BO and Holder know that.

The Church should stand strong. Make them put up or shut up, so to speak....


43 posted on 03/11/2012 7:40:40 PM PDT by jch10
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To: jch10

You don’t understand. The Church would not be able to afford the exorbitant fines. Thus, they would have to close the hospitals, schools, etc., or sell them.

The Dems are too smart as to send Federal troops in. They are using much more stealthy, sneaky tactics.

However, I remind you that I believe this will all be overturned in the courts.


44 posted on 03/12/2012 6:00:14 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SumProVita

You don’t understand! I am saying the Church should NOT pay any fine. Let the Feds make the next move. How will they force the Church to pay anything?

The Church continues to operate until the Feds chain the doors.


45 posted on 03/12/2012 6:15:58 AM PDT by jch10
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To: jch10

I think the Courts will declare the entire thing unconstitutional.

(The Church will continue no matter what happens.)


46 posted on 03/12/2012 6:32:10 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: NYer
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47 posted on 03/12/2012 8:18:14 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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