Skip to comments.New Details Emerge Showing George Zimmerman Wasn't Defending Himself When He Shot Trayvon Martin
Posted on 03/18/2012 4:35:27 PM PDT by redreno
According to new details, Sanford police are being accused of altering the statements of witnesses to the incident when Trayvon Martin was shot by neighborhood crime watch captain George Zimmerman.
17 year old Trayvon Martin has been walking back from a local 7-11 with snacks for himself and his father in Sanford during the NBA All Star Game on Feb 26th, when he was following by a car being driven by George Zimmerman, who did call the police non-emergency number to report a suspicious person. According the the recordings, Zimmerman stated the person was suspicious because he was wearing a hoodie and walking too slow in his opinion in the rain.
During the phone call to police he was recorded as saying, "these a..holes always get away."
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If the tapes are being played over the radio, I bet they are being heavily edited.
This reminds me of the Rodney King incident all over again.
I do not see any incentive for the police to cover for Zimmerman. What do they possibly have to gain?
You cannot start a fight and then say you feared for your life. Dang. The kid did not come up to the thug and drag him out of his car.
The police have said, several times, that all the physical evidence is consistent with George Zimmerman's story.
It seems that Traynor Martin's family is working very hard to come up with a reason and a scenario that could indicate that George Zimmerman killed Traynor for no real reason.
I can not see any reason for the police to create a conspiracy in favor of George Zimmerman.
Traynor did not have to drag him out of the car to attack him. So far, we do not have any evidence that George did any more than follow him and talk to him before being attacked.
Is it possible that George Martin instigated the attack? Sure, it is possible. We simply do not have any evidence that it happened that way.
If you chase after someone and get into said fight. Does the rules of self defense come into play?
You’re spinning this thread so fast its making me dizzy
Here is a version of Zimmerman’s account that has surfaced on the net. Is it inconsistent with the 911 calls?
by andyinga March 13, 2012 3:22 PM EDT
This is not the real story. George called 911 to report a suspicious person. As he got off the phone the kid attacked him and started beating the crap out of him and slamming his head against the walkway. All the while saying youre gunna die tonight motherfxxxxx George was screaming help when someone in a nearby apartment called 911 again. Georges shirt came up while the kid was beating him, revealing the gun that he is licensed to carry. The kid went for the gun and they struggled for it, George ended up shooting the kid and saving his own life. All these people on yahoo saying that he should be in jail when they dont even know what happened. George is the brother-in-law of one of our good family friends, works with my parents, and is one of the nicest most gentle people you will ever meet. Hes completely devastated that this happened and has barely been functional from the guilt. No one shoots someone for no reason, and especially not George. And they need to stop pulling the race card, George is hispanic, not white.
And neither do you, is george you friend, since you seem to be on first name terms with him. And you still do know know if your friend george was attack, but we do know your friend george made the first provoking move by getting out of his car.
Sorry, I thought I was unspinning it. Lots of spin just in the original headline.
Does anyone think it is impossible that Traynor Martin attacked without legal justification?
Does anyone think it impossible that George Zimmerman provoked Traynor Martin?
When we have two scenarios put forward for what happened, we have people we call police to gather the evidence and determine, at first cut, what story is consistent with the evidence.
In this case, we really have only one story, that of George Zimmerman. Traynor Martin is dead and cannot give his side of the story.
It was at night and the police were on the scene in minutes. Zimmerman was bleeding from the face and the back of the head.
It is hard to quickly come up with a fake story that fits the physical evidence at night when the police are there in minutes.
Could the police be in a conspiracy with George Zimmerman? I suppose it is possible, but I fail to see what they could possibly gain from it. In fact, they are under intense pressure to be politicaly correct and come up with evidence to charge him with.
The case will likely go before a Grand Jury, and that is probaly a good thing.
Add to that the fact that I haven't seen an objective, truthful AP or MSM article on 2A, CCW, guns, conservatives, Black race baiting, or Black on White crime in as long as I can remember.
It is interesting that several FReepers are not interested in the examination of all this media leaked "evidence" in court, their own expertise assures Zimmerman's guilt, and the cops are undoubtedly crooked and racist.
But I suppose we must defer to those more educated and enlightened than us. Like the faculty and administration of Duke, the entire Black student body, the unusually honest prosecutor Nifong and his investigators, and the entire MSM including AP that uncovered the evidence against those racist white punks.
Yeah, we don't need a trial, there's no chance of jackpot justice here.
Sure it is, when the physical evidence only really corroborates the fact that there was a physical altercation of some sort. The physical evidence doesn't tell you, one way or the other, who started the fight or why. For that, you need to look at other evidence. In this case, the other evidence includes (1) 911 tapes that show, among other things, Zimmerman disregarding the 911 operator's instruction not to follow Martin; (2) the fact that Zimmerman was armed, and Martin was not; and (3) a total lack of any indication that Martin was involved in any criminal activity.
This article is commie crap.
You have a way with words.
What we do not have is a list of the physical evidence or a transcript of George Zimmerman's story.
What we do have is the police saying that the story and the evidence are consistent.
It is possible that more evidence will become available.
There is a lot of speculation that Zimmerman provoked Martin, but no real evidence for it.
I believe that I misspelled Trayvon’s name as Traynor in previous posts.
One reason that evil leftists lie so much is because they want decent people to waste their time explaining why commie lies aren't true.
I don't fall for that.
When ignorant, irrational, stupid or dishonest things are posted I identify them as such and move on.
Occasionally when FReepers seem to have unwittingly gulped the commie poison I will do them the personal favor of explaining in detail why their posts are evil crap.
Again, that is the exception.
If you genuinely cannot understand that the posted article is evil garbage then you have problems too great for me to solve for you from here.
Self defense? You honestly think this kid attacked this guy?
If that is the shooter's statement then - guilty!!! He called the initial report from his car and was told not to intervene. The boy did not pull the guy out of his car. George's recorded statement about the "blank always get away" gives us his state of mind. The reports have the fight happening between the houses, one guy saying it was near his screened in patio. That means there was pursuit. I'd say it would be a righteous shoot if the KID shot the vigilante given the facts that have now surfaced. I'm pretty sure (albeit lacking my own voice analysis machine) and it is being consistently reported that the call for help is from the kid, not Zimmerman.
Look, we're only the court of public opinion and yes, the news outlets are making the most of this but with the time that has past and the raw evidence in the public domain, this appears to be one time where the cry of racism seems pretty clearly justified. I do not say that lightly.
I know this septuagenerian isn't going to leave a safe car to confront a teen FTF -- and I'm always armed...
It’s not what you know, it’s what a jury is compelled to believe. As far as I know, a neighborhood watch captain is not commissioned to detain someone or interrogate them. His job is to report the person to the police and let them handle it.
Was it self-defense? Yes, in that he feared for his life. But, the prosecution is going to have a field day pointing out that he set the event into motion by following someone who had not, to that point, done anything wrong.
A CCW holder may not start or escalate a situation.