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The Department Of Homeland Security Is Buying 450 Million New Bullets
businessinsider.com ^ | March 29, 2012 | Eloise Lee

Posted on 03/29/2012 4:46:19 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and its Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office is getting an "indefinite delivery" of an "indefinite quantity" of .40 caliber bullets from defense contractor ATK.

U.S. agents will receive a maximum of 450 million rounds over five years, according to a press release on the deal.

The high performance HST bullets are designed for law enforcement and ATK says they offer "optimum penetration for terminal performance."

This refers to the the bullet's hollow-point tip that passes through barriers without getting warped out of shape.

We've also learned that the Department has an open bid for a stockpile of rifle ammo.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 40caliber; ammunition; banglist; dhs; fastandfurious; gunwalker; homelandsecurity; mexico

1 posted on 03/29/2012 4:46:27 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

should those wannabes even be allowed to carry real guns?


2 posted on 03/29/2012 4:52:19 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (... ... ... ...)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Will they charge each American family for the bullet?


3 posted on 03/29/2012 4:53:48 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I have seen this before but that still strikes me as an unusually large amount of ammo for a civilian agency.


4 posted on 03/29/2012 4:55:03 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Free ThinkerNY

My guess is that it is not for against terrorists!


5 posted on 03/29/2012 4:56:04 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Great, a unionized army. Let’s see, what was that tag line...


6 posted on 03/29/2012 4:59:15 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Diogenesis

No...Under Obama-Care its covered unper preventitive care! (Sorry for the Black humor)


7 posted on 03/29/2012 4:59:41 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: Free ThinkerNY

850,000 law enforcement people in USA with a weapon
@450 million bullets
= ~50 rounds per officer


8 posted on 03/29/2012 5:04:11 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (bullets for ballots?? Who knew?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; Travis McGee

From the article:

“..they’re looking for up to 175 million rounds of .233 caliber ammo to be exact.”

Wondering if this for CW2? Didn’t the IRS also place a VERY LARGE order recently?

There’s something in the air and I don’t like it....at all.


9 posted on 03/29/2012 5:07:32 PM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: bunkerhill7

Your math sucks.


10 posted on 03/29/2012 5:15:28 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Maybe the Mexican drug cartels are running low?


11 posted on 03/29/2012 5:17:06 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Deagle
My guess is that it is not for against terrorists!

In preparation for the total communists takeover of America. You can bet on it.

12 posted on 03/29/2012 5:20:25 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Wasn’t this story pretty much debunked a week or so ago??

Something about this was not a *purchase*, but rather a contract locking in a price for up to 450mm rounds over the next several years??

Just askin’....


13 posted on 03/29/2012 5:20:34 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: ought-six

Sorry I just got out of surgery- It`s the sedative - I am off by factor of 10 sorry-


14 posted on 03/29/2012 5:21:31 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Sedatives suck ??? Who knew?)
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To: bunkerhill7

The last estimate I heard was that there are approx. 175,000,000 gun owners in America and 275,000,000 guns in the hands of the citizens.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/20098/Gun-Ownership-Use-America.aspx

Just sayin’


15 posted on 03/29/2012 5:24:29 PM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: Uncle Ike

No, no, no!

These bullets are to be delivered next spring to all unnamed FEMA camps via unmarked black helicopters.

Also of note, Apple recently received an order from the federal government for 200 million iPods with the unusual feature of having the capability to play music BACKWARD!


16 posted on 03/29/2012 5:31:21 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

Every time I see a comment about “black helicopters” it makes me smile.

I have actually seen a bunch of unmarked black helicopters. I was visiting my parents who lived near the edge of the Eglin AFB reservation.

They came very quickly just above tree top level. I suspect it had something to do with Eglin but who knows? I do know that is lower than the military is supposed to fly in civilian areas.

I did report it to the sheriff’s office. I think they were amused but at least didn’t act that way on the phone.


17 posted on 03/29/2012 5:39:22 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog

Frankly, I welcome our new, dark hued, rotary, masters ....


18 posted on 03/29/2012 5:44:24 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’m sorry but I will need to have more information than that from the article you posted. In it the writer said that hollow point ammunition is for better penetration. Nothing is further from the truth. Hollow point bullets are designed to begin expanding and spreading upon imapct with soft tissue. Full metal jackets aid better penetration through hard objects. If they can’t get this information right why would I believe they get the rest right?


19 posted on 03/29/2012 5:47:42 PM PDT by Kalam (<: The answer is 42 :>)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I bet they could save lots of taxpayers dollars if they bought old bullets.


20 posted on 03/29/2012 5:47:55 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Kalam

I don’t know for sure but I think they were talking about many hollow points when fired at a target wearing heavy clothes will fill the hollow cavity with cloth and then not expand.

They have developed HP bullets which are supposed to not have that tendency.


21 posted on 03/29/2012 5:52:22 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Deagle
My guess is that it is not for against terrorists!

When was the last time "Homeland Security" was even involved in a fire fight?

We've got upwards of 25 million illegals in country, during war time, causing epic fraud and crime.

This begs the questions:

1. What the hell are they shooting at?

22 posted on 03/29/2012 5:54:46 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: yarddog
Every time I see a comment about “black helicopters” it makes me smile.

I'm hoping that I'll see a black helicopter on TV the morning after Election Day, and that it will turn out to be B'rack 0bama wildly waving his arms "huh? wha? I LOST?!? WHAAAAA?!?"
23 posted on 03/29/2012 6:00:20 PM PDT by mkjessup (0bama squats to pee.)
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To: yarddog

Interesting in concept. I am skeptical of that function however. I have seen what hollow points do going through a hide and that is a “heavy” cloth, more like leather. When done here I will “research” this via the internet to see what’s out there.


24 posted on 03/29/2012 6:00:52 PM PDT by Kalam (<: The answer is 42 :>)
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To: bunkerhill7

Sorry to hear about your surgery.


25 posted on 03/29/2012 6:09:37 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: dragnet2

Agree wholeheartedly! Really wonder why they need this ammunition except maybe for their upcoming conflict with society. Really sure hope that our military does not become enemies of the people.

I do understand that the military seems to be softening the difference these days. I just hope that this is wrong!


26 posted on 03/29/2012 6:11:01 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: Kalam
If they can’t get this information right why would I believe they get the rest right?

Vat iss your name, herr comrade?

27 posted on 03/29/2012 6:11:09 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if...")
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To: bunkerhill7

Where did you get the idea it’s for all LE in the country?


28 posted on 03/29/2012 6:16:03 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: papertyger

I’m glad you asked. You see the named belonged to an individual that was able to mathamatically establish a logical, verifiable proof for the existence of an unmoved mover, a first cause, or if you want, God. The arguments deal with the impossibility of their being an actual infinity existing in reality. This is just a primer.


29 posted on 03/29/2012 6:23:41 PM PDT by Kalam (<: The answer is 42 :>)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Summer riots maybe , martial law , invocation of N.D.R.P.A , tyrranical over throw or just simply target practice at the local range .


30 posted on 03/29/2012 6:28:00 PM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: bunkerhill7

Ah, but how many are DHS trigger-pullers?


31 posted on 03/29/2012 6:37:31 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: ctdonath2

Ah, but how many are DHS trigger-pullers?

Source — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Homeland_Security

Structure

Department of Homeland Security is headed by the Secretary of Homeland Security with the assistance of the Deputy Secretary. The Department contains the components listed below.[11] Not all subcomponents are listed; see the linked articles for more details.

Agencies:

United States Citizenship and Immigration Services: Processes and examines citizenship, residency, and asylum requests from aliens.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection: Law enforcement agency that enforces U.S. laws along its international borders (air, land, and sea) including its enforcement of U.S. immigration, customs, and agriculture laws while at and patrolling between all U.S. ports-of-entry.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement: Law enforcement agency divided into two bureaus:
* An agency that enforces U.S. laws while it investigates and gathers intelligence on national and international criminal activities that threaten the security of the homeland (Homeland Security Investigations); and
* An agency that investigates violations of the Immigration and Nationality Act and enforces the detention, deportation and removal of violators of United States immigration law (Enforcement and Removal Operations).

Transportation Security Administration: Responsible for aviation security (domestic and international, most notably conducting passenger screenings at airports), as well as land and water transportation security

United States Coast Guard: Military service responsible for law enforcement, maritime security, national defense, maritime mobility, and protection of natural resources.[12]

United States Secret Service: Law enforcement agency that investigates threats against and provides protective services for the President and Vice President of the United States and their immediate families as well as other important governmental officials. It also investigates crimes against the U.S. monetary system including the crime of counterfeiting U.S. currency and other financial instruments.

Federal Emergency Management Agency: agency that oversees the federal government’s response to natural disasters like earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, forest fires, etc.

So, we have one military service, two full-time LE agencies, and a couple of other agencies that have armed components...

So, the answer to your question would seem to be - ‘Quite a few’.....


32 posted on 03/29/2012 7:08:23 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Even if the democrats and their rabble try to instigate a war and kill Americans in a shoot-out, they will all end up rotting in the fires of hell before any of them can declare a victory.


33 posted on 03/30/2012 1:15:04 AM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This is just plain nuts. There’s something seriously wrong here. We all feel it.


34 posted on 03/30/2012 1:19:05 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Maybe the contract fell through?

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/atk-laying-off-in-fenton/article_a5333072-79d2-11e1-a2c5-0019bb30f31a.html


35 posted on 03/30/2012 2:16:19 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (A Bounty on Zimmerman, Can Be A Bounty On ANYONE. No NBBP Mob Justice!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Why are they buying HOLLOW POINT ammo?
The military is banned from using hollow point ammo. What makes Napolitano’s DHS goons so special that they are allowed to use it?


36 posted on 03/30/2012 7:13:11 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

They’ll only be able to shoot each citizen twice.


37 posted on 03/30/2012 4:06:50 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: BuffaloJack

The Military can’t use hollow points due to the Geneva Convention. 99% of all law enforcement agencies use hollow point ammo. Also, we are not goons!


38 posted on 04/04/2012 10:41:53 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (I am an Oath Keeper! III)
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To: BuffaloJack

The Military can’t use hollow points due to the Geneva Convention. 99% of all law enforcement agencies use hollow point ammo. Also, we are not goons!


39 posted on 04/04/2012 10:42:21 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (I am an Oath Keeper! III)
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To: Gene Eric

Sorry, but there is nothing wrong here. CBP and ICE go through approximately 25 million rounds each year in just qualification shooting.


40 posted on 04/04/2012 10:45:24 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (I am an Oath Keeper! III)
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To: Marine Inspector

I can accept that providing the citizens are purchasing 10x that amount.


41 posted on 04/04/2012 11:06:05 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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