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China-N.Korea Communication Breaks Down
Chosun Ilbo ^ | 03/30/12

Posted on 03/29/2012 7:17:06 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

China-N.Korea Communication Breaks Down

High-level communication channels between China and North Korea have apparently been shut down since the death of former North Korean leader Kim Jong-il. Pyongyang is failing to inform its sole ally of important developments like the upcoming missile launch.

The only high-ranking Chinese official to visit North Korea since Kim's death was Vice Foreign Minister Fu Ying, who was in Pyongyang between Feb. 20 and 25 to discuss aid to the North. Fu met his North Korean counterpart Kim Sung-gi but did not speak with higher ranking officials.

China was stunned by the announcement on Feb. 16 of the launch plan for what the North says is a space rocket and had to summon the ambassador to China late at night to protest. Wu Dawei, China’s chief delegate to the six-party nuclear talks, then met with North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong-ho on Feb. 19 when Ri was visiting Beijing. There are rumors that Ri also met with State Councilor Dai Bingguo, who outranks Wu.

But North Korean officials dealing with China are only working-level bureaucrats, making it doubtful that Beijing's concerns over the North's missile launch were expressed to the highest echelons of the North Korean regime, according to experts.

China has through various diplomatic channels tried to hold talks with North Korea, but the North is apparently rejecting the requests saying it is still in mourning for Kim Jong-il.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; kwangmyungsung3; missile; nkorea
Still, when it comes down to it, China would be happy that NK spurned U.S. and continues to remain in China's pocket. NK scrapping rocket deal may be inconvenient and damaging to China's prestige. However, China has been putting up with NK craps so long that this is nothing worse. China is, in a way, NK's battered spouse. After huffing and puffing, it will still ask for 'calm and reasonable' response from SK, U.S., and Japan. It is only a matter of time before China reaffirms its support.
1 posted on 03/29/2012 7:17:18 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; nw_arizona_granny; ...
NK’s spousal abuse continues.:-)
2 posted on 03/29/2012 7:18:48 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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More disinformation. China and North Korea operate according to the principles outlined in The Art Of War.
All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him. …
Given the bad shape that US intelligence is in, it is just not possible for me to believe any of this at face value.
3 posted on 03/29/2012 7:23:29 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I can agree that they will always end up in a same team.


4 posted on 03/29/2012 7:31:55 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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Personally, I’ve always felt the chances of a NORK-developed Nuke someday going off in Beijing are much higher than the chance of it going off in Los Angeles.


5 posted on 03/29/2012 7:43:56 PM PDT by PGR88
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Something is definitely up in NK. You know things are bad when they turn down 240,000 TONS of food during a “[socialist] famine”. They are up to something.


6 posted on 03/29/2012 8:18:24 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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for what its worth they seem to have more defensive (anti-tank?) apparatus facing north than south.


7 posted on 03/29/2012 8:22:27 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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Yes giving up 240K food and suddenly ramping up warplane sorties, burning too much of precious little jet fuel. Either there is no controlling authorities or they are prepping for something we don't want to think about. 2012 is supposed to be the year of “Powerful and Prosperous Nation.” There is nothing prosperous to show for. They may feel that they should at least take care of “Powerful” part.
8 posted on 03/29/2012 8:27:30 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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Probably something bigger than the island being shelled and the Cheonan being sank I think. Hopefully not too much bigger. SK response to the island shelling was far too limited and hands-tied. Most NorK citizens never noticed a thing.

Make them notice.

Even if its a limited attack, again, put cruise missiles into the offices of the Communist Party, KCNA and maybe knock down a big statue. lol.

Something the NKorean masses will notice.


9 posted on 03/29/2012 8:37:28 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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What I fear is that NK would try to go across DMZ and grab small real-estate of marginal strategic value. It should demand full-scale retaliation. However, NK, as usual, give SK and U.S. two stark choices: either accept the situation or face full-scale war which would result in hundreds of thousands of casualties, if not millions. They could calculate that the full-retaliation from their adversaries may wipe NK out on the map but it would be so costly to SK and US that they would hesitate and lose the window of opportunity. Then NK consolidate their occupation and declare stunning victory against their nemeses. Commie sympathizers in SK first ask caution and prudence, forcing the gov to lose an window of opportunity for retaliation, and then blame the gov for being needlessly confrontational against NK and incompetent in handling the crisis.

I can see the whole script like a panorama.

10 posted on 03/29/2012 9:04:54 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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Yes. With people like Obama and company around, I can definitely see that happening.


11 posted on 03/29/2012 9:18:59 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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I’d set up a system where one guy gets to punch a button and all of the important communist party, military headquarters, commie media and favorite palaces of the Kims all get wiped out as soon as they cross the DMZ.

I’d even let them know this was set up.

If NK knows that any response by SK to their aggression will be limited and wimpy they are more likely to attack. The worst thing that could happen to NK leadership is to lose face.

Making sure some big, important buildings and landmarks go down (Pyongyang and other cities) if SK is attacked would have a psychological effect that NK cannot handle. It might even cause North Koreans to resist immediately afterwards.

If your scenario happens the “good guys” in SK need to make a stink. They need a military that can stop and repel attacks and then strike back, deeply and in ways to cause real harm to the NK government.

The SK army, air force and navy all have the capability to make any attack on their country a devastating blow to the NK government pysche. All NK has is their propaganda, and their “prosperous new year” crap will make the blow even worse.

BTW- Taking out the radio jammers and NK radio stations and broadcasting on those frequencies will also make a big impact. South Korea’s forces are large enough to make all of this a small part of their response if attacked. It is something they SHOULD be prepared to do.

Take it the NorK government if they attack. Show the people of NK that their government is not nearly as strong as it pretends. Hit them where it hurts. Taking out a few key bridges and stuff would cripple their already weak economy.

I don’t think NK’s government could survive losing face to its serfs like this.

Taking out a few artillery sites does NOTHING, saying mean things at the UN is meaningless, griping to the Chinese Ambassador is a joke.


12 posted on 03/29/2012 9:31:27 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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