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Why Manipulate the Tragedy of Trayvon Martin?
National Review Online ^ | March 25, 2012 | Heather Mac Donald

Posted on 03/30/2012 11:10:18 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: what's up
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141 posted on 03/31/2012 1:29:07 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: berdie; neverdem
The bigger tragedy is the media manipulation and political abuse of the situation. Not only is it irresponsible..it is dangerous.
The bigger tragedy is the political abuse of the situation by wire service journalism and by journalism’s fellow travelers whom the journalists award the positive labels “liberal” or “progressive” or “moderate.” It is irresponsible and, by design, dangerous. The danger is intentional because it forces the public to listen in horror.

142 posted on 03/31/2012 1:54:34 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: neverdem
(Article) The fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last month by a neighborhood-watch volunteer was a sickening and — unless new facts come to light — unjustified loss of an innocent life. Unless Martin’s killer, George Zimmerman, had reason to believe that Martin was armed, shooting him was a grossly disproportionate response to a fistfight....

Oh, look -- liberals writing in National Review now.

I don't think Bill Buckley or William Rusher would have written that.

143 posted on 03/31/2012 2:39:37 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: thecodont

Trayvon Martin Petition Is Fastest-Growing in Change.org History SOURCE

144 posted on 03/31/2012 2:52:43 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: neverdem
You should have read beyond the awful first paragraph. Heather has stunning statistics!

(Art.) Most homicides are intraracial, but the chance of a black being killed by a white or Hispanic is much lower than the chance that a white or Hispanic will be killed by a black. Seventeen percent of what the FBI calls “white” homicide victims in 2009 were killed by blacks, compared to 8 percent of black homicide victims who were killed by “whites.” There were two and a half times as many white and Hispanic victims of black killers in 2009 as there were black victims of white and Hispanic killers, even though the black population is one-sixth that of whites and Hispanics combined. If Hispanics were removed from the category of “white” killers of blacks, the percentage of blacks killed by Anglo whites would plummet, since a significant percentage of what the FBI calls “white”-on-black killings represent gang warfare between Hispanic and black gangs.

In a Scientific American article from the mid-90's that also relied on DoJ/FBI statistics, the FBI used the category of "unknown" to mask the racial identity of 24% of the murderers who killed white and Hispanic victims during the multiyear rampage of the 80's and 90's connected to the advent of "rock" cocaine.

Looking at other, similar categories of violent crime in which the victim by definition survived, offered insight as to who the mystery 24% were ..... they were black.

Wonder if the FBI is still concealing statistically-significant numbers of black murderers behind the shield of anonymity?

But what is there is bad enough, though.

Absent the cocaine wars, which have now died down for the nonce (until they are resuscitated by some other irritant, and come to revisit us in some other form), it would seem that the murder rate has also died down, but the sociopathic end-results of socialism are still there for everyone to see.

145 posted on 03/31/2012 3:00:22 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Candor7
I doubt Zimmerman will ever be convicted of any offence in relation to the alleged murder.

I doubt Obama really wants him convicted or arrested. As long as he's out there, Obama and his orcs have their hate-puppet, their Goldberg.

MSNBC is now openly doing Two Minutes Hate in their "lean forward" ads.

146 posted on 03/31/2012 3:05:04 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Smokin' Joe
At that point, Zimmerman is under attack using lethal force, and to respond in kind, regardless of the means, could be justified if Zimmerman did not initiate the physical confrontation.

Zimmermann was also in lethal danger at that point, even discounting his account of Martin's threats. Losing consciousness (head on concrete) means losing control of his weapon to someone who's already working on beating him to death. "Use it or lose it". He was on the verge of going out.

147 posted on 03/31/2012 3:20:12 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus; Smokin' Joe; Candor7

Have you seen these? Someone posted them on a thread which I closed and can’t find/remember. Essential reading.

http://peopleagainstshittycop.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/trayvon-martin-florida-black-foot-soldier-link-established-no-limit-nigga-lingo-is-popular-florida-black-foot-soldier-slang-for-black-on-white-bow-crime-trayvon-didnt-like-whites-am/

http://nationalblackfootsoldiernetwork.blogspot.com/


148 posted on 03/31/2012 3:27:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: neverdem

The incident is not a tragedy

The death was not unjustified

Killing an attacker in self defense is fully justified


149 posted on 03/31/2012 3:28:58 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: DH
He can’t organize anything...only agitate and incite hate for America, Americans and every skin color other than black.

If you've followed Raila Odinga's career, you know that the brothers over in Africa haven't been doing too well, either, following the advice of Barack Obama and his half-brother. Lot of them are pushing up daisies like Trayvon.

150 posted on 03/31/2012 3:32:25 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Cboldt; Last of the Mohicans
But I do agree that what Martin's counsel is angling for is a trial, becuiase if there is a criminal trial, then the civil suit is not barred.

And regardless of Zimmermann's personal penury (assuming the inventive Crump couldn't find a way to rope in the well-to-do father), what may be wanted is instead a political trial with Republican Florida at the defendant's table, and the Stand Your Ground doctrine as prosecution Exhibit A.

The McGuffin will be the liberal wet dream, "Hateful gun-crazed Florida country-club crackers wrote a Murder Law to kill black children!"

151 posted on 03/31/2012 4:01:09 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: little jeremiah; Kaslin
Thanks for the link, it's posting (slowly) in a separate Firefox window -- my IE windows have developed the habit of slo-mo crashing if I chase links.

Will take a look. I'd seen the archive caches of Trayvon's "no-limit-nigga" webpage (the one with a pic of him flipping the camera the bird: he doesn't look very angelic in that photo, in fact he looks pretty hostile), but didn't linger over them or chase links into his further wamblings in the social-networking alternative universe.

152 posted on 03/31/2012 4:09:46 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Voter#537
"If Zimmerman is found to be not guilty I am afraid all hell will break loose and Al & Jessie should be held accountable."

Not guilty? Has he been charged?

Not sure how 250 people at today's big march translates to anything like Rodney King. Treyvon wasn't shot by a cop.

153 posted on 03/31/2012 4:30:49 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: tioga
"I am curious about a lot more than what Trayvon’s family and crew keep spouting off about."

They're 'flooding the zone' but they've revealed a lot more than their lawyers would have liked.

154 posted on 03/31/2012 4:33:18 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: little jeremiah
I looked at those pages. Interesting about "The Game". I'd heard similar w/r/t assaults in St. Louis, Milwaukee, Chicago.

I tried looking up 2000-2010 armed-robbery stats at DoJ Crime stats site but they're using a high-numbered release of Acrobat (they're up to Acrobat 10 now). My Acrobat Reader v. 5.0.x just tells me the file is "damaged" and can't be opened.

I wanted to look again at some crime categories other than homicide (robbery, aggravated assault) and see if the huge number of "unknown" assailants in the homicide breakdown is analyzed, but funny thing, they don't seem to analyze violent street crime that way, exceept for homicide (where they can hide).

155 posted on 03/31/2012 5:32:12 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: 101stAirborneVet

“Basically, if Zimmerman’s attorneys in a civil suit can prove by a preponderance of the evidence that Martin got on top of him such that Zimmerman couldn’t get away (as at least one eyewitness stated), we would have the forcible felony of False Imprisonment and the Martin family would be barred from recovery in a wrongful death suit.”

IF Mr. Zimmerman was having his head smack into concrete and generally plummeled by Master Martin....then I think it would be aggravated assault by Martin against Zimmerman???


156 posted on 03/31/2012 7:28:28 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Avoiding_Sulla
It' a good essay further down. Not my point. Scan the rest of the comments in this thread and notice there is good indication many never got that far solely due to her opening paragraph.

Maybe that first paragraph was intended as a tease for any lefties that scan National Review Online. It's almost a mea culpa, then they read those appalling statistics which I never see in the drive by media or the lefty house organs.

157 posted on 03/31/2012 8:55:42 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


158 posted on 03/31/2012 9:13:40 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: what's up
23% + 35% = 60%. So what race is the other 40%. Hispanics (or are they white now)? Mixed?

23% + 35% = 58% I'm in NYC, I was born here, but I don't know off the top of my head. Hispanics are probably a majority of the 42% remainder, but we also have loads of East Asian Orientals, Arabs and Indopaks. You name it, we probably got some.

159 posted on 03/31/2012 9:51:34 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
Let's just assume for a moment that your speculation is correct. Since lefties have their hands over their ears and are proud of it (Gail Collins even admitted it), such a gambit would be one heck of a waste of time while undoubtedly pissing off large segments of the base.

I noticed that you recognized later on in the thread that the opening paragraph was awful. Good. If there was ever a non-policy time to excerpt an article, you have to admit in retrospect that THIS was that time.

I've been mostly lurking here since around 2006 when I stopped my more active posting started blogging more. You post much good stuff. Maybe next time, when you have a hot article full of useful info, use your better judgment and do FR and your tireless efforts here the favor of excerpting Ms MacDonald so that any good stuff she presents will be focused on and not derailed again.

Be wary my FRiend. Less and less in the paid media are trustworthy. More and more there will be little that can be taken at face value. Fear of reprisal and other reasons to be circumspect will cause such things.

Pascal Fervor

160 posted on 03/31/2012 10:09:45 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (How humanitarian are "leaders" who back Malthusian, Utilitarian & Green nutcases?)
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