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Trayvon Martin shooting: It's not George Zimmerman crying for help on 911 recording, 2 experts say
Chicago Tribune ^ | 3/31/12 | Jeff Weiner

Posted on 03/31/2012 4:44:41 PM PDT by Krankor

As the Trayvon Martin controversy splinters into a debate about self-defense, a central question remains: Who was heard crying for help on a 911 call in the moments before the teen was shot?

A leading expert in the field of forensic voice identification sought to answer that question by analyzing the recordings for the Orlando Sentinel.

His result: It was not George Zimmerman who called for help.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; trayvonmartin
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To: floriduh voter
"As a citizen and a taxpayer in the State of Florida, and in consideration of this latest epic fail by Fla Law Enforcement and Justice System, I request that George Zimmerman submit a tape of himself screaming to compare to Trayvon screaming before he was shot in the chest. How many dead children does Florida need?"

There was an eyewitness that stated he saw Martin on top of and assaulting Zimmerman as he cried for help.

Are you saying the eyewitness is a liar?

161 posted on 03/31/2012 7:42:48 PM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: yarddog
Trayvon wanted to be an airline pilot.

All this paranoia is based on what? SKIN COLOR?

162 posted on 03/31/2012 7:46:53 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Judge Jeanne Pirot faults Zimmerman for shooting Trayvon Martin. She a troll too?)
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To: demas415
I'm glad you are home schooled, but in what context is this part of your civics studies? Is this assigned by your parents or tutor? Is it in the concrete of interacting with people online, this particular case, or race relations in general?

You have made assertions and failed to back them up. If your family (or ostensibly you) are conservative, you understand that any statements you make are open to others attempting to find the truth. That is what this site is all about.

You can make any assertion you like. You can voice any opinion you wish. But this is not a place where you can fly in, drop a bunch of malarkey on a subject, and fly away without someone taking issue with it.

I can see you are a kid or at least a young person, so I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you are simply inexperienced at making your points in an environment like this one.

You say he sounded "disturbed" when he talked to police. Are you referring to his call prior to the shooting? On what do you base that? Because he sounds calm and deliberate to me. He sounds angry when Martin takes off, but he has every right to be, living in an area that is being regularly burglarized, and I say this as someone who lives in a neighborhood that has had the same kind of issues.

What do you mean by the "trajectory of the bullet will prove it one way or the other"? How is the trajectory going to prove anything? If two people are struggling for control of a weapon, trajectory is probably the least important thing. You do know that there was a full magazine in the weapon when the police took possession of it don't you? Do you understand what that means?

164 posted on 03/31/2012 7:47:58 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: 1L

I have hunted long enough to know that an entrance wound generally either does not bleed at all of just a little. It is the exit wound which would bleed more.


165 posted on 03/31/2012 7:48:22 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Alice in Wonderland

If Zimmerman were screaming, he would have continued screaming cuz screaming doesn’t stop that fast once you start unless you are shot dead like Trayvon was. The screaming stopped as soon as Trayvon was shot in the chest. Trayvon was silenced.


166 posted on 03/31/2012 7:49:53 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Judge Jeanne Pirot faults Zimmerman for shooting Trayvon Martin. She a troll too?)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Those are all witnesses I have not heard of. I have read there were only three including Zimmerman. I know at least two who have said Martin was on top beating zimmerman.


167 posted on 03/31/2012 7:52:33 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: piytar

Well thanks for your nice post. I appreciate it and don’t want to sound like I know it all. I was just saying my opinion about what I’ve heard in the reports of this shooting.


168 posted on 03/31/2012 7:53:29 PM PDT by demas415
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To: Mustangman
The only thing you should be investing yourself in are the facts...

The group seems too caught-up in the three-ring circus aftermath. They're not able to concentrate only on the events of February 26th.

169 posted on 03/31/2012 7:53:47 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Krankor
"Experts". ROTFL!!!

Never believe an eyewitness. Put all of your faith in "experts". We all know how smart "experts" are from watching CSI. After all, they were perts before they became experts.

170 posted on 03/31/2012 7:54:04 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time to WEAN the government off of our money.)
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To: faucetman
You forgot #11 - and this is the third time I've posted this on this thread, but no one seems to notice.

Zimmerman himself says it is him yelling for help. That is according to the report of the police officer who took him into custody that night.

Here is the direct quote from the report:

Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and was given first aid by the SFD. While the SFD was attending to Zimmerman, I over heard him state "I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me."

Here is the initial police report.

For the third time - unless one believes that Zimmerman knew at that moment there would be doubt as to who was yelling for help, or the officer filed a false report, you must believe it was Zimmerman himself. There is no other option that makes sense.

171 posted on 03/31/2012 7:54:29 PM PDT by Shethink13
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To: floriduh voter

If I were screaming for help and I then stopped the threat on my life, I don’t think I would run around screaming just for the fun of it.

When I no longer needed help, I would quit screaming for help.


172 posted on 03/31/2012 7:56:01 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: demas415
Special dad retired as US Magistrate in 1991 from Virginia. They moved to Lake Mary, FL and dad practiced law up there. Fla bar web site would show if daddy is active in the Florida Bar. Daddy knew all the other attorneyls in town. They would have a Bar Association for their city and all breakfast, lunch and dinner together and coverup crimes together. That is my opinion. This is how LE does it in Florida.

Thank you Gov. Scott. A minor had a right to be on the property and his life was cut short for some black sheep of the Zimmerman family who appear to be as dysfunctional as Casey Anthony's family.

Zimmerman's a mama's boy which is why he went into hiding immediately. He's probably hiding with Momi.

173 posted on 03/31/2012 7:56:23 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Judge Jeanne Pirot faults Zimmerman for shooting Trayvon Martin. She a troll too?)
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To: philman_36

The only thing that stuck out there is that he shoved a cop, if true. That displays stupidity or severe intoxication. The fact that it was reduced and then dismissed is even more telling. I have heard of people arrested for sticking their finger in a cop’s face. They don’t dismiss charges if you have a real tussle with a cop.

I don’t put much stock in the domestic abuse allegations or speeding. This is clearly an attempt to dig up what they can.

But all that is irrelevant to me. What is relevant is what happened that night Martin was shot. And everything points to self-defense.


174 posted on 03/31/2012 7:59:20 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Mustangman

You can’t even spell hordes right, you idiot.


175 posted on 03/31/2012 7:59:47 PM PDT by TwoSwords
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To: FreedomPoster

Sanford PD children beat downs on black kids before. I don’t know where you live but we get more news cuz we’re in Florida. It’s from tv stations with real reporters. Beat downs on black kids in Sanford was nothing new. Too bad Trayvon was from Miami and didn’t know how it was in Sanford.


176 posted on 03/31/2012 8:00:12 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Judge Jeanne Pirot faults Zimmerman for shooting Trayvon Martin. She a troll too?)
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To: shhrubbery!

There is way more than enough probable cause to do so.


way more

Not even literate.


177 posted on 03/31/2012 8:02:29 PM PDT by TwoSwords
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To: floriduh voter

Well you are so irrational and full of bull that I hope you go back to whatever cesspool you came from.

I too am a Florida Voter. My family has been here for at least 350 years. We don’t take kindly to Yankees who come down here and try to show us how it is done in wherever you came from.

It appears to me that you are either making it up as you go or get your info from one of the Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton sites.


178 posted on 03/31/2012 8:03:59 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: rlmorel

In home school we can’t have civics debate and discussion class like a regular school, so we have to participate in the site the tutor picks. The democrats site is not allowed because they use cuss words.


179 posted on 03/31/2012 8:04:33 PM PDT by demas415
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To: RIghtwardHo
As a former Prosecutor of 25 years I am stunned Zimmerman wasn’t charged with Manslaughter. There is way more than enough probable cause to do so. I certainly expect he will be by the Special Prosecutor. I think 2nd Degree Murder is going to far, but this is somewhere between Involuntary and Voluntary.

Quite frankly, prosecutors like you are the exact reason that "stand your ground" laws were written and passed in the first place.

Legislators got sick and tired of people like you dragging law-abiding citizens through the meat-grinder of a trial, forced to defend themselves against YOU after defending themselves against a more forthright kind of criminal assault.

180 posted on 03/31/2012 8:05:44 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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