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How Sturdy Is the Obama Narrative that 'Keeps Us Silent'?
The American Thinker ^ | 4-7-12 | Monte Kuligowski

Posted on 04/07/2012 7:01:20 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

Count Roger Kimball in among those who recognize the totalitarian atmosphere somehow created to protect President Obama. The entire range of questions related to Mr. Obama's possible ineligibility for the presidency has been rendered taboo.

Recently, Kimball wrote a piece affirming the brave observations of Diana West found in her piece, "Silence of the Lapdogs." In her essay, West explains why the incriminating findings of Sheriff Joe Arpaio's investigative team are not common knowledge.

Regarding the nativity story of Barack Obama, Kimball notes that "[i]t's not just that you are not allowed to express certain opinions about the subject. You are not even allowed to publicly entertain any questions about it."

The accepted Obama narrative has been a secure fortress for Obama. The president stays inside its walls unruffled, with lifted chin. The narrative "keeps us silent" even though in reality it's a house of cards.

To present the accepted narrative I will use the words which John Hawkins wrote in response to Mr. Kimball's piece linked to above, "Annals of censorship."

I choose John Hawkins not because I find his thinking and writing abilities to be on par with Kimball's, but because Hawkins nicely encapsulates the narrative blindly accepted by so many.

Mr. Hawkins begins his piece, "Nobody is censoring birther nonsense," with: "Respectfully, I have to say that Roger Kimball is so far off base here that he's practically on the wrong planet." Hawkins ironically dismisses the following, believing any discussion on the subject is "silliness:"

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: arpaio; birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; kenya; naturalborncitizen
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1 posted on 04/07/2012 7:01:22 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“Annals of censorship.”?

More like Anals of censorship.


2 posted on 04/07/2012 7:13:35 AM PDT by Tigerized ("..and whack 'em, and whack 'em, and whack 'em!' cried the Toad in ecstasy." (also my 2012 strategy))
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Do not kid yourselves for one second. Unfortunately, we are living in a country where mafia-like threats and thugary is in control. Many in the media are willing accomplices to the Marxists/Communists and cannot wait to transform our country forever.

But I also believe there are many that are horrified to see what is happening to our country and wish to expose the truth. It will take an organized effort of devoted freedom lovers and capitalists to actively and privately engage these people in order to win them over and offer protection if they start exposing the truth.

As with roaches - turn the light on and they scurry away. Then bring in the pesticide.....


3 posted on 04/07/2012 7:22:16 AM PDT by demkicker (My passion for freedom is stronger than that of Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.)
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To: demkicker

Thomas Sowell article emailed to me this a.m. Probably already posted on FR, but it’s worth reposting.
An excellent article, and so true it is scary!! A must read!!!!

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A great article. One of the most intellectual human beings in this country, hits it right on the head ! ! !

Occupy Wall Street by Thomas Sowell
By Dr. Thomas Sowell

The current Occupy Wall Street movement is the best illustration to date of what President Barack Obama’s America looks like. It is an America where the lawless, unaccomplished, ignorant and incompetent rule. It is an America where those who have sacrificed nothing pillage and destroy the lives of those who have sacrificed greatly.

It is an America where history is rewritten to honor dictators, murderers and thieves. It is an America where violence, racism, hatred, class warfare and murder are all promoted as acceptable means of overturning the American civil society.

It is an America where humans have been degraded to the level of animals: of defecating in public, having sex in public, devoid of basic hygiene. It is an America where the basic tenets of a civil society, including faith, family, a free press and individual rights, have been always rejected. It is an America where our founding documents have been now shredded and, with them, every person’s guaranteed liberties.

It is an America where, ultimately, great suffering will come to the American people, but the rulers like Obama, Michelle Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Joe Biden, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, liberal college professors, union bosses and all other loyal liberal/Communist Party members will live in opulent splendor.
It is the America that Obama and the Democrat Party have now created with all the willing assistance of the American media, Hollywood, unions, universities, the Communist Party of America, the Black Panthers and numerous anti-American foreign entities.

Barack Obama has brought more destruction upon this country in three years than any other event in the history of our nation, but it is just the beginning of what he and his comrades are capable of. The Occupy Wall Street movement is just another step in their plan for the annihilation of America. “Socialism, in general, has a record of failure that’s so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.”

Dr. Thomas Sowell (A National Humanities Medal Winner)
— The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are out numbered by the people who vote for a living.


4 posted on 04/07/2012 7:26:16 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Newtrition - soul food for a starving America.)
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To: demkicker
Do not kid yourselves for one second. Unfortunately, we are living in a country where mafia-like threats and thugary is in control

I live in a state where I've watched the union thugs openly threaten our Governor and our State Senators on a daily basis and receive no punishment. It's heartbreaking.

5 posted on 04/07/2012 7:28:15 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Obama’s agenda is the destruction of America.
None of his policies or actions contradict this assertion.

The most effective means to unseat him, is to stay focused on the facts which demonstrate his anti-American, unconstitutional behavior.

By going down the eligibility trail, the focus shifts to the questioner, which is entirely counterproductive.
If it were ever possible to prove, there are no persons in place willing of able to take the action necessary to remove him from office or the ballot.

Focus on the man’s policies and the resulting destruction and let history deal with the rest.


6 posted on 04/07/2012 7:35:13 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I know and I am equally frustrated and heartbroken! I really mean it when I say there needs to be an ORGANIZED effort to combat this evil because it is the ONLY way to defeat it. It is so true that good men doing nothing and just watching it happen only allows evil to flourish.

I do not know of any formal organization that has formed to combat these home grown terrorists, but I hope there soon will be one - and I’m not talking about a militia. These need to be successful and influential business men & women that are ready to combat this onslaught of thugary and threats. I am not in a position to lead it, but I’ll damned sure contribute time and money to help save this country and I’m sure millions of like-minded Americans would do the same to squelch this evil.


7 posted on 04/07/2012 7:36:47 AM PDT by demkicker (My passion for freedom is stronger than that of Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

There are several reasons why we do not know the truth about Obama’s birth or even his past life. First, Obama assisted by persons unknown, spent close to $1 million to seal or destroy certain records. Second, his autobiographical books were written primarily to establish a birth narrative, but contain inconsistencies and lack of independent support of the events depicted. Obama lived a large part of his life known as Barry Sotero and records under that name have also been concealed. Some of his life appears to be purely fabricated. For example no one seems to remember Barry Sotero or Barrack Obama as a kid in supposedly Hawaii. Similarly no one seems to remember him while he attended Columbia. Sheriff Arpiao has raised at least questions that what few personal “records” of Obama that are public may have been forged.


8 posted on 04/07/2012 7:39:40 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Here's how to tell that Rush et al., have been silenced.

They never talk about it.

Rush would certainly mention things like the Arpaio investigation as news and then give his his opinion that there was nothing to it, if that's the way he felt. But he just says nothing.

ML/NJ

9 posted on 04/07/2012 7:40:44 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: demkicker

Pray.

“Let his days be few; and let another take his office.”

Psalm 109:8


10 posted on 04/07/2012 7:45:49 AM PDT by sueQ
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To: afraidfortherepublic

There are two big issues that the public needs to know but doesn’t seem to grasp yet. I don’t know if Sheriff Joe is going to get into these things or not.

The first regards the HDOH itself. They have falsified records including the BC#’s of Stig Waidelich and Virginia Sunahara and the 1960-64 birth index. Loretta Fuddy has committed misprision of forgery and fraud by refusing to tell anybody that the long-form Obama presented as genuine is in fact a forgery. They are breaking the law by refusing to allow a man to see the original hospital-generated birth certificate of his deceased sister. I could go on and on about the reasons that nothing the HDOH says or produces should be trusted. People need to know that. They need to know why it is imperative that we forensically examine microfilms, original paper records, and computer transaction logs to see what has been done to all these records in the database - because there is a history of records manipulation and law-breaking BY THE HDOH ITSELF.

The second regards the newspaper birth announcements. If those were put out by the HDOH, then why is there no birth announcement for Virginia Sunahara and hundreds of other August births that show up in the CDC’s 1961 Natality Report? Why were the Nordyke twins’ births (and many others as well) announced in the Advertiser but not the Star-Bulletin? Why are there sometimes weeks between when the Advertiser reported a birth and when the Star-Bulletin reported the same birth?

Like the HDOH’s manipulation of records, there has been manipulation of the newspaper microfilms, since scratches that appear on earlier copies are missing from later copies, and many of the actual microfilms in libraries are clearly not of a microfilming quality to have been the microfilms that were produced by the microfilming company. They were obviously produced by somebody else.

And the stories we were told about how the original images came out before the election are documentably false. Two different posters on conservative blogs claimed they had personally gone to the Hawaii State Library and made copies from the Star-Bulletin microfilms when, in fact, both those copies AND a copy that Michael Rivero at whatreallyhappened.com had been given by somebody at the Advertiser office were identical SCANS that are provably NOT from the HSL (since the HSL microfilm after that time lacked major scratches that were in that image).

The Advertiser image was given to Lori Starfelt by a librarian whose image did not follow the standard protocol (full-page image with copyright notice) and was deliberately blurred. The only readable portion had about 4 announcements showing. A full-page image was finally produced by somebody at Wikileaks under the name of Jeena Paradies, as a PDF with optical character recognition (a format that allows manipulation of the text within an image). That image had C&P lines directly below the announcement right under Obama’s and had C&P lines going into the left-hand margin a few announcements above Obama’s. The Wikileaks version was given to Michael Rivero at whatreallyhappened by somebody at the Advertiser office and the Wikileaks page was taken down. Later the Advertiser printed an image with the full page deliberately blurred and the only readable portion being the same 4-announcement snip that Starfelt was originally given by the HSL librarian.

The media relies so heavily on the birth announcements but legal investigations don’t necessarily go into the birth announcements because they have no legal value. When I and my colleagues started researching the announcements it was pretty much out of idle curiosity because Obama’s supposed Hawaii birth could easily have been reported by Madelyn Dunham and a birth announcement created so the presence of a birth announcement proves nothing. But the deeper we looked into this, the more I became convinced that there never was an announcement for Barack Obama’s birth in those newspapers in 1961. IF there had been, there would have been no reason for the funny business we’ve seen.


11 posted on 04/07/2012 7:52:28 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The use of the word ‘narrative’ has a connotation of fiction.... The fact that nearly all news outlets use it is a sign of exactly how that silence is maintained.


12 posted on 04/07/2012 7:54:18 AM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“One may assume and hope by faith that Obama was Hawaii-born and still demand that Obama’s original records (including vital, education, passport, Selective Service, etc.) be unsealed for verification.

The burden is on no citizen to prove anything. No conspiracy theories are needed to ask questions and demand “ironclad” proof “in the most resolute way humanly possible.” As it turns out, that level of proof means simple compliance with basic legal standards.”

More than Obama’s SSN Application needs to be examined. A specialist trained in document examination verified the documents submitted for Obama’s SSN and a report was coded with the application.

Obama’s PRA field of his SSA NUMIDENT needs to be examined. A “Y” in the PRA field indicates he filed as a Permanent Resident Alien for his SSN. A “N” in the PRA field indicates he did not file as a Permanent Resident Alien for his SSN.


13 posted on 04/07/2012 8:12:31 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (What would MacGyver do?)
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To: G Larry

And in the meantime we do nothing about the threats that have been made and the lawlessness of every government agency that has created and/or covered up forgeries for this guy?

The eligibility issue is not about Barack Obama. It is about the lawlessness that controls our entire system. Which is a much, much bigger issue than any one person could ever be.

Sure, lets’ get rid of Obama however we can. I’m not convinced there will even be another election.

But there is no way I’m going to ignore the lawlessness we’ve seen by the entire system. We know the media is hostage. Fox is literally taking orders from George Soros. People who supported Hillary in the 2008 primary not only received death threats but also died of very convenient, unexpected means at critical times - much like Breitbart hit the sidewalk dead just 4-5 hours after he had heard Sheriff Joe’s evidence for forgery and fraud involving Obama’s BC and draft registration and said that evidence was good. That same day, Rush Limbaugh received a bomb scare - and Arpaio’s presser that day, including the evidence he presented, was not even reported in most of the media.

We’re not just talking policies of the Obama machine that are destroying this country. They are cutting much, much deeper than mere policies, right down to the very infrastructure and foundations of our society. They are literally turning this country into a third-world thugocracy, run much like the mob or the drug cartels (the Hezbollah allies who they are, incidentally, also arming...)

Even people who might support his POLICIES need to realize that ultimately, a thugocracy doesn’t care what the policies are. In a thugocracy, the powerful do whatever they can get away with and the little people be damned. Every voter needs to know that is the choice that they face in the next election, if we are allowed to have this election. The question is existential: Will we be a society based on the rule of law, or will it literally be every person fending for himself against a government that has all the power and answers to no person or law?

The Hillary supporters who are now exposing Obama’s thugocracy probably largely agree with the policies of Obama. But because they have been able to see that he is LAWLESS, they know there’s a bigger battle to be fought. I don’t believe for a minute that my democrat friends - good people - would vote for Obama if they knew the lawless threats he has made or his pledges to both Soros and the Muslim world to try to undo America. If we let this be ONLY about whether college women should be able to get free birth control, those people will have no problem supporting Obama. If they come to know that Soros asked both Hillary and Obama to support his planned destruction of the US economy and that the Soros machine killed off the Hillary supporters to ensure that Obama was the nominee, and threatened the media to ensure that Obama was elected.... that’s a whole different story. And they would never vote for a man they knew had done those things.


14 posted on 04/07/2012 8:14:24 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

I see you managed to miss the path from the problem to the most immediate solution.


15 posted on 04/07/2012 8:21:33 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Haven't read thru the responses, an astute observer (like myself)may have touched on this aspect of the Obummer BC issue. His father Barak Hussein Obama Sr. was a foreign national, a Kenyan, studying in the US on a temporary student visa. For that reason alone Obummer doesn't qualify to run for the office of the Presidency in this country. The BC crap is a red herring ... tossed into the controversy to distract attention from the real issue ... the fact his father was foreign born.
16 posted on 04/07/2012 8:22:56 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I believe that years ago Speaker of the House Tom Foley argued for an investigation into the "October Surprise" with justification that sounded like, "Despite the fact there is no evidence, the seriousness of charge demands that we investigate."

(I think it was at the time of George H.W. Bush's campaign and the Democrats hoped to use the "investigation" as part of the campaign against Bush's reelection in 1992.)

So now we have "Because of the fact there is evidence, the seriousness of charge demands that we not investigate."

Obama and Sons' America.

17 posted on 04/07/2012 8:24:10 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: G Larry

You missed what I was saying. Exposing the thugocracy of this regime (seen most clearly in their handling of the eligibility issue) will turn against him even the people who support his policies.

Sure, we can talk about his policies. If our own candidate is Mitt Romney, there won’t be a whole lot of difference between Obama’s policies and his opponents’ though... To be truthful, the major reason I would give to CONSERVATIVES to vote for Romney (if it comes to that - and I pray every day that it doesn’t) is the lawlessness/thugocracy of Obama (although the R establishment is clearly lawless as well).

So basically what I’m saying is that the thugocracy we’ve seen is the way to get both conservatives and liberals to vote against Obama, regardless of what pitiful candidate the R’s put forward in their effort to steal defeat from the jaws of victory. Because policy-wise, if Romney is our candidate, we don’t have a leg to stand on. The real issue is existential: Do we continue to exist as a free people under the rule of law? I believe we could do that under Romney but definitely not under Obama. And that is an issue that EVERY ideology (except the critical race people) should be able to comprehend and rally for.


18 posted on 04/07/2012 8:31:43 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

BD: You are a truthful treasure in keeping the facts before this forum. God bless you for that.

As a former Russian interpreter, the parallels between this massive orchestrated Obama fraud and the ‘dezinformatsiya’ campaigns of the former USSR are striking.

The quintessential irony is now that there is more coverage of the matter in the Russian press than ours. The fourth estate is Obama’s fifth column.

Keep up the good work...blessings on you and your house this Easter. He is Risen!

Shalom


19 posted on 04/07/2012 8:36:45 AM PDT by esopman (Blessings on Freepers Everywhere, and Their Supremely Intelligent Designer)
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To: demkicker

Check out True the vote and their efforts to track down what happened in the Dem Caucus in 2008. They seem to have uncovered a lot of shenanigans, including some unexplained murders, which may be the reson that the main stream media is treating all this like a hot potato.


20 posted on 04/07/2012 8:39:15 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: butterdezillion

‘If they come to know that Soros asked both Hillary and Obama to support his planned destruction of the US economy and that the Soros machine killed off the Hillary supporters to ensure that Obama was the nominee, and threatened the media to ensure that Obama was elected.... that’s a whole different story. And they would never vote for a man they knew had done those things.’

Right on!
They can silence the media and the politicians but they cannot silence us. All of us MUST spread the truth to ensure obozo is voted out in 2012 or removed prior to the election!
Not only he is not eligible, he and his thugs have committed election fraud big time in 2008 and going to do it again!
Are we to remain silent to let them steal another election?

Look for the Hillary suppporters and the ‘good’ ‘dems’ and show them the proof of obozo/thugs’s election fraud (such as shown in the Holiwood producer’s taped interview....)

OMG - obama must go! This is the first step!


21 posted on 04/07/2012 9:10:45 AM PDT by chrisnj
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; bitt

Ping! Great posts at #4 and #11.


22 posted on 04/07/2012 9:17:07 AM PDT by ntnychik
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To: chrisnj; All
The medias believe their own political hype. Small chance of opening their eyes, there are none so blind as those that will not see.
God bind the enemy, remove the evil intended to bring the destruction of America, Christianity, freedom of choice, expose the truth for all to see clearly.
Let us not be deceived. Allow not the illegal seizing of our coming elections. Forgive us LORD, we know not what we do. Have mercy on America, LORD. Help America and thy peoples, thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. in Jesus name, amen.
23 posted on 04/07/2012 9:27:50 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: geologist

Amen.

We can discuss this till we’re blue in the face, but in order to move forward, we need God’s help. We are at a crossroad. God’s hand was in the creation of our country, and he will/must save her. God bless the USA!


24 posted on 04/07/2012 9:36:44 AM PDT by sueQ
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To: sueQ

With apologies... HE must save her.


25 posted on 04/07/2012 9:38:59 AM PDT by sueQ
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Monte is barking up the wrong tree. It's not that the MSM isn't pursuing the birther story. It's that they don't investigate anything about Obama's past. They also bury negative stories about the administration.

I'm not going to condemn someone for concluding that there's no real story concerning the birth certificate at this point, but how is it the press hasn't tried to fill in any of the gaps in Obama's background?

26 posted on 04/07/2012 9:39:26 AM PDT by x
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To: esopman

Thank you. My father-in-law doesn’t know a whole lot about what I’ve been investigating but commented about a year ago that it feels just like it felt in the run-up to WWII. I’ve looked into how Hitler was able to get a whole nation to go along with his policies, and the parallels to Obama are staggering. I have no doubts that the same kinds of techniques were used in the USSR. The policies of Hitler, USSR, Obama, Kenya’s Raila Odinga, Hugo Chavez, etc... may all be different but the mechanisms of creating a lawless thugocracy are pretty much the same wherever you go and whatever ideology seeks totalitarianism.

That’s why the Founding Fathers recognized that the most important part of maintaining a free country are the mechanisms of accountability. Those are the mechanisms that are ALWAYS systematically destroyed when a tryrant takes over a free people. Again, the ideology of the tyrant is irrelevant. If you have a free country where there is accountability you can go back and forth between ideologies without drastically damaging the fabric of the country, because you’ve always got the accountability to be able to swing the other direction.

Tyranny is a whole different ballgame, and that’s what we’ve got here and now. It is an attack on the systems of accountability - both PR-wise (media) and legal mechanisms (law enforcement, courts, separation of powers, checks and balances, etc). The PR/media game for a tyranny is to make the “politics” of the day appear to be the routine back-and-forth between ideologies when in fact the machanisms of tyranny are being installed.

To keep the people entertained by debating “policy issues” with Sandra Fluke while the tyranny is busy threatening Fox News into ignoring news about Obama being a usurper guilty of forgery and fraud whose AG is committing acts of war against Mexico and arming the Hezbollah-allied drug cartels and keeping the doors wide open for them to enter our country... And while Obama is telling the Supreme Court that they were never meant to be a “check and balance” to Congress and POTUS, Etc.

People can see that Obama is trying to undo the checks and balances through “policies” - unaccountable czars ignoring Congress and the laws, DOJ choosing which US laws to defend in court, GM takeover, money laundering through loans to failing “green energy” companies, reducing our military to nothing, forcing Catholics to perform abortions, POTUS being able to order assassinations of US citizens, etc. But if they realized that the Soros machine is also threatening to kill and killing people, committing crimes such as forgery, perjury, fraud, social security fraud, identity theft, etc... in order to take over the mechanisms of accountability, they would be able to see this as a deliberate, systematic attack to destroy the country’s freedoms and fabric - just like those done by other tyrannies.

And if we let him get away with it, then we will see the same results as they saw in Hitler’s Germany, in the USSR, etc.

We can talk about Sandra Fluke, or we can talk about the tyrannical mechanisms that allowed a good people to tolerate the Holocaust. I guarantee that Obama would rather have us talking about Sandra Fluke. That’s why Soros allows Fox News to talk about that but NOT talk about the crimes committed by Obama/Soros. One is a distraction; the other is the jugular.


27 posted on 04/07/2012 9:41:32 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: sueQ

At this point only He can save this country.


28 posted on 04/07/2012 9:44:47 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: x

It’s all part and parcel of the same thing. The real issue isn’t any particular thing that the media isn’t reporting. The real issue is that the Soros machine is telling CONSERVATIVE media what they can and can’t report on. The first issue was the eligibility issue. First they quieted it and then they ridiculed it to the point that they believed the country was inoculated against ever doing anything about that issue. But the threats didn’t stop there. Glenn Beck left Fox because there were threats because he was reporting the connections between Soros, Obama, the czars, and both the communists and Islamists. He could buy bodyguards for himself and his family but he could not protect the staffers and Fox refused to protect the staffers.

Anybody who poo-poohs the eligibility issue and ignores the threats used to keep that issue quiet is short-sighted, refusing to see that if the media can be held hostage on one issue it can be held hostage on anything. And that’s where we’re at right now.

That’s why I’ve said all along that the eligibility issue isn’t about Obama at all. It’s about the rule of law. Because the only way Obama can even sit in the White House is because of the crimes committed by himself, other operatives, and government bureaucrats. And if we let them get away with that just because we’re afraid people will call us “birthers” then there is nothing they can’t do.

Nothing. Seriously ponder that, anybody who poo-poohs the “birther” issue. When they came for the “birthers”, I didn’t speak because I wasn’t a “birther”... (You know the rest)


29 posted on 04/07/2012 9:53:13 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

I agree with a previous post that you are a treasure, and I would add a blessing. God bless you and keep you safe.


30 posted on 04/07/2012 9:58:48 AM PDT by sueQ
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To: butterdezillion

When will someone from Hillary’s camp do something? Are they not in a good position to do that? Is the O machine so powerful that even the Klintoons and their followers silenced? (The way they were shut down in the primary).


31 posted on 04/07/2012 9:59:38 AM PDT by CPO retired
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To: sueQ; All
I agree with your comments. God will save his chosen people, Israel too. In the mean time he has allowed severe testing. He blessings them in multiple ways and at the same time it has been a continual struggle for the promised land to be peacefully theirs.

Many Jews are secular, some Messianic, some orthodox, ,,, while they hold on they endure daily rockets attacks, hatred from the Islamic neighbors, etc. A hard place to be. God have mercy on all that are seeking to know thee and be pleasing before thee, in Jesus name, amen.

32 posted on 04/07/2012 10:01:07 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: butterdezillion

That’s my thought for some time now.


33 posted on 04/07/2012 10:12:15 AM PDT by MomofMarine
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To: geologist

I once heard a former Rabbi say that the two countries that God was personally involved in creating were Israel, (because the Messiah was to be born of her), and America, because through her, the gospel would be preached to the ends of the earth. That statement impressed me deeply, and has stayed with me. We will be, have been and are tested, but God will not forsake us.


34 posted on 04/07/2012 10:18:04 AM PDT by sueQ
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To: CPO retired

There are two ways to try crimes: in the legal courts and in the court of public opinion.

Obama and his thugs control both courts. Eric Holder is keeping any federal investigation from ever happening. And Soros threats are keeping even conservative media from reporting the truth about any of Obama’s crimes.

What we have left to try these crimes in the legal courts is at state and local levels. So only the violation of local or state laws can be investigated. The crimes committed by the Soros machine are primarily federal crimes. The only way to get an independent federal investigation is through Congress - and they need the favor of the media, which is held hostage by Soros.

What we have left to try these crimes in the court of public opinion are the independent media sources such as blogs and online media. The establishment “conservative” media is hostile to the truth and vigorously publishing disinformation.

This is truly a David v Goliath scenario. Each one of us is David. As somebody else said and I agreed, only the Lord can save us at this point. Unless He intervenes in a powerful way Soros has us in a chokehold that will kill this nation.

We need to keep telling the truth to as many people as we can. And we need to keep praying hard.


35 posted on 04/07/2012 10:44:14 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: CPO retired

Did Obama Assassinate Clinton Delegates?

http://gulagbound.com/27615/did-obama-assassinate-clinton-delegates/


36 posted on 04/07/2012 10:49:13 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Mr. Kuligowski’s article is very good. I am pleasantly surprised to see so many articles questioning Obama’s birth certificate and eligibility being published in American Thinker.


37 posted on 04/07/2012 11:03:32 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: G Larry
By going down the eligibility trail, the focus shifts to the questioner, which is entirely counterproductive. If it were ever possible to prove, there are no persons in place willing of able to take the action necessary to remove him from office or the ballot.

Focus on the man’s policies and the resulting destruction and let history deal with the rest.

I disagree. The man seem vehemently afraid of this issue, and therefore I conclude it is a weak spot for him. It is my own personal opinion that having people question his legitimacy cannot hurt our side in any manner. It can only hurt his.

38 posted on 04/07/2012 11:06:35 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: butterdezillion

This is truly a David v Goliath scenario. Each one of us is David. As somebody else said and I agreed, only the Lord can save us at this point. Unless He intervenes in a powerful way Soros has us in a chokehold that will kill this nation.

We need to keep telling the truth to as many people as we can. And we need to keep praying hard.

Most importantly, we must TRUST God and His promise that He will heal our land if we return to Him. I think trust is the key to effective prayer.


39 posted on 04/07/2012 2:24:20 PM PDT by Josephat
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To: butterdezillion

butterdezillion:”We need to keep telling the truth to as many people as we can. And we need to keep praying hard.”

I do pray often for this country as I am frustrated beyond understanding by these recent trends. I thank you for your focus and one-mindedness to expose this administration for what it truly represents. I’ve been consumed over the past 6 months on the topic of Obama’s inelgibility and the cover-up of this fact. Though I had been monitoring the question since mid 2008, I had not fully understood the magnitude of the deception and thuggery until recently.

At times I’ve seen what appears to be a breakthrough or a crack in the wall of Obama’s deception, but at every turn they have had an answer. I am encouraged that Sheriff Joe appears to have “pit bull” tenacity in exposing the Obama lies but until we get action by Congress, it seems to be pointless.

I continue to bring up the legitimate questions about Obama to friends, family, and social networks but somehow people don’t want to hear. In simple terms, I am frustrated. But I will never give up nor give in. That is the message I hope the Fogbower lurkers understand when they read these threads. We will NEVER be silenced as long as there is still the freedom to speak out. And thankfully, truth is on our side!


40 posted on 04/07/2012 2:34:08 PM PDT by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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To: Josephat

Yes. We need to trust.

In Bible class last week we talked about the legacy of Caleb, whose claim to fame is that when faced with the giants of Canaan he still said they should believe that the LORD would give them that land simply because He said He would. Though Israel sided with the 8 spies who cowered and that generation was not allowed to enter the promised land, Caleb and Joshua - the two spies with faith - were allowed to see the LORD’s promise fulfilled. And that same strength of faith may be why the LORD was able to raise up Caleb’s nephew Othniel as a faithful leader for Israel when she cried to the LORD for help.

One of the things that keeps coming up from the history of Israel is that the thing that most hindered Israel was her own people forgetting their need for the LORD, falling away, and refusing to call on Him for help. Once they called for help He was ALWAYS there to deliver them.

Sometimes the faithful ended up sharing the same earthly fate as the faithless. If there had been 9 faithful people in Sodom and Gomorrah it would not have been enough to save those places. I hope America wakes up and that there are enough faithful people here that the LORD can spare us. Usually people ignore danger until it can no longer be ignored, and then they call on the LORD. I want people to know the danger so they will know we are in desperate need and it’s definitely time to call on Him.


41 posted on 04/07/2012 3:04:50 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: ntnychik; butterdezillion

Thanks nit, and yes, butter’s posts are outstanding!!


42 posted on 04/07/2012 3:58:02 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: visually_augmented

Thanks for plugging away. It’s all any of us can do, and I think we’ve all experienced the same kinds of things and been discouraged. I do believe what we’re doing is making a difference though. I believe people are gradually seeing that something is very wrong. Obama doesn’t act like an American. On the superficial things, yeah. But not on the core matters of what America is.

Obama has done so much that is so wrong, that no matter who you’re talking to there has to be something about his record that should scare the crap out of them. Maybe people aren’t worried about his eligibility, but would be very alarmed by the fact that his regime is arming the Mexican drug cartels with guns (without any tracking devices installed) and then making sure that the border is open for the cartels and their ally, Hezbollah, to come in at will. As much as the illegals want to be able to come in themselves I don’t think they would like it that not only does Holder let the drug cartels follow them into the country - Holder ARMS the drug cartels first and THEN lets them follow into the US.

Maybe they think they’re on Obama’s good side. But it should trouble them that at a moment Obama could be saying that he is the only person standing between them and the pitchforks (that he and his hustlers will round up on buses to harass even the people he’s been pals with...)

The college women who think he’s wonderful because he will give them free birth control might think twice when they realize that he told the Egyptian ambassador that he supports the Muslim agenda - especially if they realize that the Muslim agenda includes sharia, which would not only keep them from getting birth control and abortions but would also keep them from driving, wearing anything but a burka in public, being in a room with a non-relative male, or have their testimony count in court.

Those who love his food-czar wife might think twice about him having as science czar and regulatory czar a couple of guys who believe it is fine for the government to sneak sterilants into the water because 90% of the world’s population has a duty to die to save “Mother Earth”.

It was sobering to some of the kids at the school to find out that if Obama thought my blog is “belligerent” he could haul me off to Gitmo and keep me there forever without telling anybody why I was there or giving anybody a chance to defend me. I have to confess that I did not process the danger as I should have when the liberals were saying that Bush would haul off normal people because of false accusations of terrorism. I didn’t think Bush would do that. I have no doubts that Obama would if he thought he could get away with it or it was necessary for his own agenda. So far nobody’s been able to seriously challenge him because he’s got the media bribed so it’s not been an issue (at least that I know of). But I now recognize that the libs were right to say we need protection - because at all times there will be somebody in office that half the population doesn’t trust, and we need to be protected from false charges.

Those who want more and more government “services” might now be able to look at Greece and see what can happen. Or if they are made aware of the Cloward-Piven Plan and how it may have already put us in a place to be hostage to a communist-Islamist alliance, they might think twice. My daughter is 12 and when she talks to her friends she just says she doesn’t like Obama because he’s put us so far into debt that we will never be able to pay it off. I think she’s probably a better spokesperson than I am. lol

A lot of people aren’t directly receptive to the eligibility issue at first. But if we can find out what they DO care about and point out Obama’s scary action on that issue, they may begin to see a pattern that will eventually lead them to realize that he got into office by taking us all hostage and he’s been holding us hostage ever since. The elibibility crimes are just a few more dots that add to the overall picture of a thug who has lied his way into office so he could deliberately destroy this country.


43 posted on 04/07/2012 4:06:07 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion; All

As butter has asked - Email people you know. Give them what they can digest.

I have an group I email with updates. Most people do not follow forums or read blogs. So they do not know. But if they get an email from somewhat they know they will at least read it.

I have not had anyone respond and ask to not get updates or respond with anything negative or telling to me ‘to give it up’. I send the emails to myself and blind copy everyone else (bcc). Some people want more detail and I follow up more one on one with details.

You need to point people the work of Sheriff Arpio. This theory is no longer a theory. It is now outside the ‘blog-o-sphere and forum-sphere’.

Here a sample I recently sent out:

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All,

March 31, 2012 Press Conference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uICO4l5PRcs&feature=youtu.be

This is very long - almost 2 hours. But it is a good update on the status of the forgeries of the LFBC and the Selective Service form.

11:00 minute mark - person who met with Trump recounts how Trump indicated his sources said a birth certificate would come out - 3 weeks before it did.

13:45 - Sheriff Apio gives thanks to his wife of 55 years. At 14:10 he indictes she used start his car every day - “until this stuff”.

40:00 - Lead investigator Mike Zullo. He goes over videos that they seem to have redone since the original press conference.

At this point is all but confirmed that the birth certificate number for Obama was stolen from an infant that died after 1 day in 1961. That infant was Virginia Sunahara. Hawaii DOH is currently denying her family access to her records against their own policy. A suit that was filed to force the Hawaii Deparement of Health (HDOH) to release the records at the request of the family was dismissed by a judge.

Information on the recent lawsuit dismissed.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2856546/posts?page=30

This activity will not get covered by the regular media. But the Sheriff remains on the correct path and has validated what many have known for years.

Here is a surprisingly good piece from a local CBS station:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ikaajbOEWpk

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Be sure to send things like this your friends who are ex-military or ex-law enforcement or current.

Other than my own family no one else makes fun of this stuff anymore. Many I email are in the legal profession or are former military and former law-enforcement. They have a very somber view of this. It gets more serious every month.

Get the word out. Use the sample above or create your own. Just get it out. Direct/personal emails may be best. Social media is being tracked and countered. I do not use facebook or twitter for such information.

Email, email, email. Email until they tell they do not want it. Do not be afraid to be laughed at a little bit and if someone does not like it - just drop them off your next update. But unless people ask to be dropped off - keep sending. They will absorb it at their speed. Let them do so. But keep the message flowing.


44 posted on 04/07/2012 5:24:23 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: ml/nj

One day Rush mentioned Arpaio in the context of the forged documents story being suppressed. This suppression was covered by a mainstream outlet. This is how he danced around the edges w/o being threatened by the thugs.


45 posted on 04/07/2012 7:56:48 PM PDT by 22cal (Forgiven, not perfected)
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To: bluecat6

Excellent counsel. The word of mouth is all we’ve ever really had, and look how far it’s brought us.

It’s easy to get discouraged because when Soros wants something to hit the big-time he’s got a network to get it going and you end up with a sudden flash in the pan like Kony 2012. What we’ve got is slower but it’s more durable because of it. When people catch on to what Obama’s been up to it changes their view of everything in the news and it doesn’t make a fast, shallow ripple. It makes a deep powerful wave that didn’t start easily and won’t end easily either.

I believe you that people who have been in the military and law enforcement take this seriously. This is an assault on everything this country stands for.

And I also believe you that the only people you hear making fun are your own family members. “A prophet is not without honor except in his own hometown.” It’s so true. Just know that you’re not alone in that. I’ve got my siblings telling me I’m crazy because nobody would ever think it worth their time to attack my computer (for instance) and I’ve got my husband telling me I’m crazy because I should know the attacks are never going to stop until I stop working on this, and I’m putting my family at risk. (Talk about cognitive dissonance! You ever feel like you’re living in a parallel universe? lol)

I went to an Easter vigil tonight and was struck again with the realization that when the women went to bed on Saturday night their world was upside-down, with everything they had believed in and hoped for pulled out from underneath them. They awoke thinking they had a painful, hopeless task ahead - to keep the dead body of their Lord from stinking up the place as it decayed.

Nothing is impossible. Never give up.


46 posted on 04/07/2012 8:30:07 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: ml/nj

I was listening to Bob Grant today on WABC during the last 40 minutes of his show. He took calls from three people questioning Obama’s eligibility. The last call was from a woman who discussed what a natural born citizen is and the fact that Obama isn’t one, therefore he is ineligible.

He said he knows of one prominent radio personality who would love to talk about this, but can’t and discourages callers from bringing it up.

I was amazed that Grant didn’t get hysterical and hang up on his callers like some radio personalities have. He just matter of fact talked about it.

He said he hopes that Arpaio comes across because if he doesn’t, he’s not going to bother worrying about it anymore. I guess he didn’t get the memo from the higher ups telling him to drop it or his life would be in danger and the radio station would lose its license.


47 posted on 04/08/2012 1:44:06 PM PDT by goldi
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To: butterdezillion
I don’t believe for a minute that my democrat friends - good people - would vote for Obama if they knew the lawless threats he has made

Your democrat friends prefer not to know the truth because it is inconvenient. That way they can maintain plausible deniability.

48 posted on 04/08/2012 2:22:07 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: goldi

Wow, just for grins I googled bob grant pod cast and voila:

http://www.wabcradio.com/sectional.asp?id=34738

Listening now.


49 posted on 04/08/2012 8:13:21 PM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: JohnnyP

The subject comes up about seventeen minutes into it, then Joseph Farah comes on at 19:30.


50 posted on 04/08/2012 8:33:56 PM PDT by JohnnyP
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