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Obama or Romney: The republic fails either way (Santorum is out)
WND Commentary ^ | March 29, 2012 | Alan Keyes

Posted on 04/11/2012 5:21:42 PM PDT by koinonia

Alan Keyes wrote: As I anticipated, “the elitist machinations of the sham party system are predictably moving America toward another false choice between an avowed socialist Democrat and a prevaricating socialist Republican.” Marco Rubio’s endorsement of Mitt Romney kicks off an orchestrated wavelet of “influential” endorsements, signaling an end to the sham competition that culminated in a not very credible “dramatic face-off” between Romney and one of his 2008 cheerleaders, Rick Santorum...

The “lesser evil” approach guarantees the triumph of wrong. So in choosing between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama we are like the cornered target of the hit man who says, “We can do this the easy way or the hard way.” The fatal outcome is inevitable in either case. Obama’s way takes us to domineering socialism along a path that moves more openly and harshly against right, conscience and property. Romney’s way takes us to domineering socialism along a path that reserves the harsher methods, preferring to use deception and prevarication so that we go more gently into the night...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; gingrich; gope; lesserof2bastards; obama; paul; rinos; romney; santorum
IMHO we need to form a third party ticket NOW. Romney will not will anyway. But more importantly, it is a matter of principle. I stand before God, my family and my country when I vote, and if the 2 party candidates are but a moving the country closer to the precipice (one in 5th gear, the other in 3rd gear), then there is an obligation not to go with the flow. A third party vote is not a wasted vote - voting for Obama or Romney is.

I think of Judas Machabees (in the Septuagint 2 Machabees 3:58-59) when it became clear that defeat was imminent. He said, "Gird yourselves, and be valiant men, and be ready against the morning, that you may fight with these nations that are assembled against us to destroy us and our sanctuary. For it is better for us to die in battle, than to see the evils of our nation, and of the holies."

It is better to battle for God, family and our country then cave in. Is anyone out there able to get this message clear to the Tea Party? We cannot endorse compromise without compromising.

1 posted on 04/11/2012 5:21:53 PM PDT by koinonia
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To: koinonia
“the elitist machinations of the sham party system are predictably moving America toward another false choice between an avowed socialist Democrat and a prevaricating socialist Republican.”

Truth like that will never get him elected.
2 posted on 04/11/2012 5:28:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: koinonia

In response to your comment, I have read on many other sites that people of conscience, being pro-life, will not vote for Romney because of his record. I blogged those comments twice today in different sites so people would understand that there is no way Romney can win if pro-life voter stays home, or don’t vote for the president, only Congressional seats. I commented several weeks ago that we should have organized a true tea party when we had the momentum in 2010. To trust it to the republican party was a mistake.


3 posted on 04/11/2012 5:30:38 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: FReepers

4 posted on 04/11/2012 5:32:15 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: koinonia

In response to your comment, I have read on many other sites that people of conscience, being pro-life, will not vote for Romney because of his record. I blogged those comments twice today in different sites so people would understand that there is no way Romney can win if pro-life voter stays home, or don’t vote for the president, only Congressional seats. I commented several weeks ago that we should have organized a true tea party when we had the momentum in 2010. To trust it to the republican party was a mistake.


5 posted on 04/11/2012 5:32:23 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: koinonia

Sorry, but it’s too late to form a third parry, find a candidate and raise adequate funds to get his or her name out. There just isn’t enough time.


6 posted on 04/11/2012 5:32:43 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: koinonia

It IS a matter of principle. I’m voting Republican in my primary in order to voice my vote for both Newt and my referred Senate candidate. After that, I’m switching to Independent until a REAl party emerges that is for and by WE the People.


7 posted on 04/11/2012 5:34:42 PM PDT by SueRae (Tale of 2 Towers - First, Isengaard (GOP-e), then, the Tower of Sauron on 11.06.2012)
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To: cripplecreek

The truth hurts but what are we to do, stay home and let Obama get re-elected? I’m not looking forward to a total police state where we have to think about moving to BC or going out in the street with a weapon. In the end we will have to vote for Mitt. BHO has got to go. And soon.


8 posted on 04/11/2012 5:46:50 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SueRae

It appears, right now, that Saruman is about to win at Helm’s Deep.


9 posted on 04/11/2012 5:47:16 PM PDT by Ingtar
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Maybe if we all “Believe”, Romney will win.


10 posted on 04/11/2012 5:50:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: koinonia

Alan Keyes is the ultimate election loser. The man is a near permanent political candidate and couldn’t get elected dog catcher - even if his opponent were a baby eating serial killer. You quite literally couldn’t find a more terrible person to get political advice from.


11 posted on 04/11/2012 5:52:59 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Ingtar

I know. I’m going to have to modify my tagline. We already ost the first round.....


12 posted on 04/11/2012 5:53:31 PM PDT by SueRae (Tale of 2 Towers - First, Isengaard (GOP-e), then, the Tower of Sauron on 11.06.2012)
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To: koinonia

Bump


13 posted on 04/11/2012 5:53:31 PM PDT by snooter55 (People may doubt what you say, but they will always believe what you do)
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To: koinonia

Keyes sure did a lot to stop Obama when he carpet bagged himself into the candidate against Obama’s pre-pre-Presidential campaign. Keyes actually made the previous choice of the Ill™ GOP - the Borg rejected name sake of their latest caught crook governor - look good by comparison. He should be treated as a fatal merger of Sgt. Schultz’s brains with Col. Klink’s ego.


14 posted on 04/11/2012 6:09:05 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: cripplecreek

Personally I am still wishing something will happen and Newt gets back in it but thats a dream. We can probably get through 4 years of Willard but not four more of Obama. He will declare himself President for life and take over. What does anybody think The House and Senate would do about it?


15 posted on 04/11/2012 6:16:44 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: koinonia

FUMR!


16 posted on 04/11/2012 6:17:26 PM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: JohnBovenmyer
He should be treated as a fatal merger of Sgt. Schultz’s brains with Col. Klink’s ego.

If you wanted to find someone to run for office in an effort to intentionally turn voters against your own party and ideology, Alan Keyes would be that guy. Keyes really is one of the single worst political candidates I've ever seen in my life - and I've lived all over the world and seen LOTS of really bad candidates.

17 posted on 04/11/2012 6:38:08 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: koinonia

I don’t think the republic falls no matter which is elected. That is hyperbole.

The country can take Obama - assuming the Republican party and others with standing begin to fiercely fight back.
The party will be decimated by Romney.

Fear leads people to act in histrionic ways.


18 posted on 04/11/2012 6:41:11 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I wouldnÂ’t vote for Romney for dog catcher if he was in a three way race against Lenin and Marx!)
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To: koinonia; American Constitutionalist; Lazlo in PA; Guenevere; onyx; Sun; parksstp; cripplecreek; ...

Thank you, koinonia.

You gave me another idea on how to respond to those who are horrified when I tell them I am not going to vote for Romney,.It’s about principle and core values but also: “I stand before God, family and country” And I cannot in good conscience cast my vote for a man who ran a dishonorable, underhanded, unprincipled and cruel race in an attempt to destroy and besmirch the reputations of his opponents, who all happened to be good people..

Just like the GOP-E that endorses him, Romney believed that he could take away my electoral privilege to choose..which as stated clearly in the Constition is an “inalienable right”.
He will not succeed.
I am a Conservative activist first and foremost.
The Republican Party of my youth, the one that my Dad loved and that Ronald Reagan represented...is not recognizalble to me anymore.
It is comprised of a bunch of good ol’boy elitists.The RNC is the worst. I’ve met many of them in my grassroots campaign efforts since 2000 and with a few exceptions, they are not an admirable group.

For the most part, they are self centered and arrogant.
And they could care less about Conservatives. May I remind them that the Tea Party, not them, was responsible for the political successes of 2010.

There is no gratitude, no acknowledgments and unfortunately, the current Tea Party seems to have lost it’s structure, if there ever was any.

Some Tea Party “leaders/members have said that they do not like Romney but they are voting for him anyway...the standard cop out of a coward.
Mittens will throw the Tea Party patriots under the bus before the national convention is over.

So if we are to succeed, koninonia, after this election, it will be up to us.
Organizations cannot be relied upon.
The country will have to hit bottom and then we will have to figure out a way to come together to try to scratch and crawl our way back up toward the restoration of our Republic to the values that made it great.
And adhering to Constitutional principles is the only way to do that.

The question is whether or not there are enough of us to be able to do what is needed.
Luckily, the founding fathers have given us a manual for success.
The rest will be up to We The People...and God.


19 posted on 04/11/2012 7:01:58 PM PDT by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

” The country can take Obama - assuming the Republican party and others with standing begin to fiercely fight back.”

You must be joking. Since Jan 2009..

Obama 160

Republicans 0

The Republicans have done NOTHING

The Republicans are currently doing NOTHING

The Republicans WILL do nothing.


20 posted on 04/11/2012 7:10:24 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Mountain Mary
My tagline says all I need to say.

What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?
21 posted on 04/11/2012 7:13:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: koinonia

Wouldn’t it be easier to help Newt win in the remaining 20 primary states than to form a 3rd party? If Romney loses 54% of the upcoming delegates in the next 20 states then he doesn’t get the magic 1,144 number to secure the nomination. This thing isn’t over unless the voters decide it’s over.


22 posted on 04/11/2012 7:17:12 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: koinonia
The “lesser evil” approach guarantees the triumph of wrong.

Succinctly put. And the epitaph of the Republican party.

23 posted on 04/11/2012 7:19:46 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: koinonia
It was hard to vote for McCain (and Bush, Dole, Bush). It will be so easy to not vote for Romney.

It may be impossible for a third party to win this one but the stage will be set for 2016. I'm all ears!

24 posted on 04/11/2012 7:20:49 PM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: koinonia

If we accept Alan Keyes premise that the nation will fail regardless with mittens or zero, doing things such as forming a third party would be less than useless.
Some may want to stay and fight in a civil war. Others will try to hunker down in some corner of the US for a while. If you really believe that the republic is lost as Keyes does, the only thing to on a long term basis is to escape the US.
I do not accept the meme that a mitt regime would be as bad as zero, and I could see myself fighting for liberty under these circumstances. If mitt leans too far from the Left, he would face a serious conservative primary challenger. If it’s zero, resistance will be futile, and I believe that many of us will seriously consider leaving the US.


25 posted on 04/11/2012 7:25:17 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: JediJones

I’ve been posting that on earlier threads all day to disappointed Santorum people, but they all seem to want to give up and throw in with Romney instead. Especially the ones from Pennsylvania. What am I missing here? Why would they even consider that with a conservative still in the race at the point you described?


26 posted on 04/11/2012 7:51:35 PM PDT by ngat
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To: koinonia

Romney 2012. That’s all I need to remember when I vote in November, like it or not.


27 posted on 04/11/2012 7:56:58 PM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: Mountain Mary
Here is another trap that can be set (that I want to be set).

That is, Romney is only the "2012 nominee" in the MSM media and in their reporting at this time. He is NEITHER the DE-JURE NOR DE-FACTO NOMINEE because a) additional primary elections by State GOP Parties and supervised by independent states' Secretaries of State have not taken place, b) no names have been placed in nomination, c) no nomination vote has taken place, either a roll call or by acclimation, d) his (the successful nominee's) official certification by Party officials has not taken place.

Therefore, BOUND BY THE RULES OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE (and with the presence of at least two other candidates actively in competition, i.e. Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul), if the RNC does anything that violates their neutrality in the primary process between now and nomination, particularly with active candidates on the field, this could be a major violation of RNC rules and perhaps even election law in some states. What I am saying is, if there is incontrovertible evidence of the RNC at this stage helping the Romney campaign directly or indirectly and exclusively, they could be in violation of laws or statutes. A Conservative video sting could be conducted, "James O'Keefe"-style, IMNO. Of course it is a pretty foregone conclusion that Bishop Romney will be the nominee, but he is not and the RNC MUST adhere to neutrality.

I SO want to get these handmade b*stards in the RINO/GOP-e on this technicality (as we know what they are in the Eisenhower Building), catch them red-handed....so, anybody else from the former Santorum or current Gingrich campaigns in with me on this brainstorm? There has to be a way. A real crap storm could be stirred.

28 posted on 04/11/2012 8:17:16 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Oh, well. SEE YOU IN THE CAMPS. (Hope your forearm tatoo doesnt hurt too much)....)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I don’t think that the Santorum campaign will be “in”. He’s recovering..and I believe he wants to leave on a good note.

But there is proof of what you say in my home state of WI..
Paul Ryan handing out free subs next to Romnuts before the primary...was sickening. And it should be a prime example of what you speak, Tokyo.

I despise the RNC. If more people knew of their manipulation and trickery, it would be a good thing!


29 posted on 04/11/2012 8:42:00 PM PDT by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
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To: All; Mountain Mary
With general reference to the above, and knowing that "the enemy" (sycophants, toadies, leeches, parasites, operatives, scallawags, agents provocateur, boot-lickers, water-carriers, rope-suckers, camp-followers, and the like the of the GOP-e (RNC) read these here FR threads, so if you have a specific strategy in mind, please do not "open mic" it, but rather, please feel free to private "FREEP MAIL" me about how we can catch the RNC or a State GOP organization particularly in an upcoming primary state, (in the tank for Romney) in a big one.

I am will to joing with Newt or (former) Rick or even Ron supporters on this one as a last ditch anti-Romney effort.

Also, a general request:

If you are Freeper who works within the RNC or State GOP Organization in an official capacity and has conservative sympathies and was NOT a supporter of Romney, or you know someone trustworthy who fits this bill, please do privately, offline "Freepmail" me, I would like to chat.

30 posted on 04/11/2012 8:50:39 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Oh, well. SEE YOU IN THE CAMPS. (Hope your forearm tatoo doesnt hurt too much)....)
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To: koinonia
Romney = Øbama-lite (or Øbama-white).

Either way, machts nicht.

31 posted on 04/11/2012 9:08:49 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: Shery
I agree that focusing on Congressional seats is one positive thing that can be done. The pro-life, pro-family, and pro-religious freedom (read pro-America and pro-Constitution) need a voice on election day - this is a strong movement with a huge voting block... but no money and corruption and mass media control.

For believers, we also have the consolation and powerhouse of prayer. In the end evil cannot not win the war, but that does not mean evil will not win some battles.

32 posted on 04/11/2012 11:28:25 PM PDT by koinonia
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To: Longbow1969
Thanks for the comment. But this is not about winning or losing an election; it's about our country, about everything that Santorum and Gingrich have been so vocal about and about which Romney has been so aloof (he literally skipped all of the pro-life encounters in his campaign, just to give one example).

What Keyes wrote is objectively true, regardless of his popularity or not. Even a "dog catcher" can see the sham that is taking place at the top ;-) At any rate, corruption, power, money, mass media... not God, family, principle and our country, are what put the candidates into office. And who pays, and continues to pay... we do. God help us!

33 posted on 04/11/2012 11:36:29 PM PDT by koinonia
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To: Mountain Mary
Thank you for your heartwarming response. I just wish that we could band together to make some type of statement in this election... even if a write in candidate. At any rate, the Constitutions never says that we the people have to vote for a Democrat or Republican - these two parties arose from the grassroots and, now that they both seem to be largely corrupt, it is time for...
34 posted on 04/11/2012 11:45:04 PM PDT by koinonia
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To: JediJones
As long as we have a vote, we can vote Gingrich or Paul or Santorum (perhaps he will still be on the ballet - he only said he is stopping the campaign). But since the writing is on the wall that the one world government elite want either Obama or Romney, and the the GOP-e have straightjacketed our vote by preannouncing who the candidate should be and that everyone else should just gracefully bow out for the inevitable, it seems clear that we need an alternative on election day.

Anything is possible, but looking at the primaries with any hope at this point is difficult because Romney only needs a small percentage from here on out to arrive at the 1144. Even the conservative states have given him 30% of their votes and now that Santorum is out and Gingrich is out of compaign money there is little to do in the Republican party.

35 posted on 04/11/2012 11:51:24 PM PDT by koinonia
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To: Theophilus

If you hear about stage being set, please let me be the first to know! God bless...


36 posted on 04/11/2012 11:53:01 PM PDT by koinonia
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To: Shery

The GOP sold out America. They never wanted a real conservative because that meant they would have had to get off their lazy asses and do some work.
Mitt,Rick or even Newt werent the best examples of the best and brightest. Newt was the smartest of the three but had so much baggage he was doomed from the start.
The GOP is the party of cowards and bed-wetters whose only concern is the safe keeping of their comfy jobs and hugh paychecks. Gone are the real men and women in the party who put the country first instead of their own wealth.
I am done with them.


37 posted on 04/12/2012 1:33:19 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Mountain Mary

“Some Tea Party “leaders/members have said that they do not like Romney but they are voting for him anyway... “

What’s really sad is that some of them supported Romney in the PRIMARIES. I think a good number of “moderates” have infiltrated the Tea Party.

And, call me crazy, but I fear we could have Obama as president even longer than 4 more years. He seems to get away with ignoring the Constitution, or the Courts, when they told him to lift the oil drilling ban, and he refused, and he legislates from the White House. Where are the checks and balances?


38 posted on 04/12/2012 1:39:34 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Mountain Mary
SPOT ON!-----This is me standing and applauding your excellent and concise post #19!!!!!!

You have nailed it!

39 posted on 04/12/2012 4:25:00 AM PDT by Guenevere (....Whom God calls,... He equips......Press On Santorum!)
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To: koinonia
Anything is possible, but looking at the primaries with any hope at this point is difficult because Romney only needs a small percentage from here on out to arrive at the 1144.

Not true, he needs about 46% of the delegates in the remaining 20 states. That's not a small amount. So it's certainly within the realm of possibility that his support gets knocked a little further down to that level from where it is now. He's only won over 50% of the popular vote in 3 out of 30 states where everyone was on the ballot so far.

40 posted on 04/12/2012 8:22:11 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Guenevere

Thanks Guenie!


41 posted on 04/12/2012 11:21:40 AM PDT by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
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To: Guenevere

Thanks Guenie!


42 posted on 04/12/2012 11:21:58 AM PDT by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
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To: Yorlik803
I actually think that Liberals are beyond desperate.. An extremely liberal site compared Rick Santorum to "Adolph" [sic] Hitler and had a pic ( of Santorum with a Nazi mustache) ... It hammered home mocking of Santorum's faith and his integrity and intelligence. ( the only liberal debate tactics possible, because liberalism isn't about logic, just emotion. ) I commented:

This comparison of Santorum to Adolf Hitler is as staggering as almost everything said on this liberal site. It points to your desperation. Hitler was a homicidal, psychotic maniac who sponsored the murder of millions of those he considered unfit to live, thanks to liberal genius intellectuals like George Bernard Shaw who preached eugenics to his fans, Hitler being one. These, unfit to live, included Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, the disabled and more. It is no surprise how comfortable liberals are with Hitler, National Socialism, as Nazi (Na Zi) means (in German) - Nationale Sozialistiche - 'Na'tionale So'zi'alistiche Partei. - National Socialist Party, Nazi's. - Liberals, your chaotic desperation in the face of humiliating defeat is pathetic. Of course, Obama is a pure National Socialist of the first order. The war on women will have fleeting traction, like your war on lightbulbs.

The lightbulb wars wither

43 posted on 04/13/2012 9:10:39 AM PDT by Kittyhawk78 (Defending freedom, from North Carolina)
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