Posted on 04/18/2012 6:23:36 AM PDT by Wolf13
So does everybody who doesn't believe exactly what I believe.
...is vulnerable to deception because of his life-long major gullibility bents...
Yes, many gullible people cling to the religion they were taught as children. Doesn't disqualify them as politicians.
...is arrogant & prideful to the max -- that he thinks he is a "god in embryo" on his way to running his own world as a future grown-up "god"...
And those smug "once saved always saved" Calvinists should be ruled out, too, tight?
...is racist for not objecting the first 13 years of his adult life the open racist doctrines & policies of his church, which he gave 10% of his income to...
Weak. Very weak. Pre-teens don't bear responsibility for the faith they are taught.
...disses his very base of his party by embracing the "faith of his fathers" -- a "faith" that labels us Christians as "corrupt" "apostates" who embrace 100% abominable (putrid) creeds [Note: If the Republicans nominated a Muslim, I'd call out the Muslim in this same way for his faith calling us Christians "infidels"]
And every Protestant "disses" the true faith of the Catholics.
I hope you find the pure guy who believes in everything you believe in.
#3 My question to pollster1 in post #46 applies to you as well...If Newt or Rick's religious membership led them to believe they are "gods-in-embryo" -- with a full "godship" and accompanying own creative world to come -- you think that their announcement about adhering to such a religious belief is somehow "off the political table?" Especially if the candidate NEVER addresses this belief? Really?
If Obama announced tomorrow that he was Messiah II, but said he would discuss it no further, according to the convictions expressed by you and pollster1, you would have to begin going thru EVERY thread to defend Obama from the religious critiques on those thread if you were really motivated to keep FR from being "kookyish and bigoted."
(Yeah, like that would happen)
Therefore...I ask: Why is it:
I NEVER SEE YOU OR POLLSTER1 OR ANY FREEPER EVER call on the carpet ANY OBAMA COMMENTS THAT ...
(a)...HE IS A CLOSET MUSLIM...
...OR (b) DISPLAYS RADICAL RELIGIOUS ASSOCIATIONS DUE TO HIS TIES TO REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT...
Nor, btw, did I see ANY FREEPER object when the Christian Science Monitor reported in late 2007 whereby Romney said he wouldn't place a Muslim on his Cabinet.
If you & pollster1, and other FREEPERs were so motivated in your expressions to "root out" perceived religious intolerance, you'd go after those posters critiquing Obama. (But you don't)
[Note: There were three such threads on Easter Sunday alone; and one less than a week before & another less than a week after...And a disclaimer is in order here: I think Obama should be called on the carpet re: Rev. J. Wright + his catering to Muslims...tho it'd be nice if FReepers actually documented his "closet Muslim" status instead of just gossipping it]
If you & pollster1, and other FREEPERS were one ounce consistent in your convictions to keep religion "hermetically sealed" from the political arena, you'd go after those posters critiquing Obama. (But you don't)
That leaves me to only one conclusion: Either that's not your real motivation -- to as you claim, keep FR from looking "Kookyish or bigoted" --
...or you posters are among the biggest dual-faced hypocrites we have on FR!
So...you've got two choices...come clean on your motivations here...or confess that you're inconsistent & hypocritical on these religio-political issues.
You are saying 13 is an adult now, just to bash this Mormon?
Weak.
It’s an ugly blemish on the religion, just like the Southern Baptists support for slavery.
Since he had nothing to do with it, being a child when it was in effect, and since it has been rescinded, exactly what do you want Romney to say about it, and how often?
Does it surprise you that politicians don’t want to talk about ugly things? Or just when Mormons do it?
Everyone has to have a hobby, right?
Never said it disqualifies them "as politicians"...DON'T put words in my mouth.
Difference 'tween your local dog-catcher and somebody wanting to be THE leader of the free world.
And those smug "once saved always saved" Calvinists should be ruled out, too, tight?
Well, I don't agree with that view, either...but salvation assurance -- or "smugness" as you put it -- 'tis not the same as the utter gall of claiming you're divine.
Otherwise, if Obama claimed he was Messiah II, you'd be out defending him on every thread over that hypothetical "religious revelation," eh? (Like that would happen)
Weak. Very weak. Pre-teens don't bear responsibility for the faith they are taught.
(Your response to first 13 years of ADULT life comment...what? Did the word "adult" throw you?...I said ADULT life...Romney was 31 when Spring rolled around in 1978...when the Mormons still were hanging onto those doctrines & practices)
And every Protestant "disses" the true faith of the Catholics.
They do? Prove it...Where's the OFFICIAL Protestant doctrines & the OFFICIAL Protestant "Scriptures" that specifically names the Roman Catholic church on this?
Me? I can point to OFFICIAL Mormon "scriptures" that specifically names Christian sects (see Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith History -- vv. 18-19) -- verses that represent the highest "revelation" of the Mormon church. You? You can only derive mere opinions of leaders who don't represent all of Protestantism.
So you can't read properly...just to bash me?
Don't blame me for your problem of illiteracy...I corrected you on this re: my last post...I'll emphasize it again...I said "first 13 years of his ADULT life..." Romney was 31 when Mormon racist policies & practices were still in place...and, btw, those racist verses in their peculiar "scriptures" are still there...minus one (they changed one in 1981)
Since you may have a math problem on top of your obvious illiteracy, here, I'll do the math for you: 18 (age of adulthood) + 13 = 31...which is the age Romney was in 1978 when the Mormon church decided to address this doctrine that was giving them such PR fits.
Since he had nothing to do with it, being a child when it was in effect...
Well, since you're going to have to eat your own words here...why don't you instead start adding up what Romney's 10% of his income was that he gave to the church those 13 adult years...and yes, I said ADULT years...as in ages 18-31...
(Fair enough :) )
OK, I missed “adult” life. I’ll give you that. Still, like I said, why would he want to discuss it?
In any event, if he’s a polytheist, then his thinking he’s going to be a god shouldn’t be such a big deal to him. To him, all of his fellow believers are going to be gods.
So, no big deal. Your point falls apart.
Anyway. all presidential wannabees have grand visions of themselves. I doubt any of them got that swelled head because of their religion.
Do you really think the average American gives a hoot about what Mormons believe?
I did say "home teacher." (I just added the adjective "visiting" in front of that...which is what home teachers do...visit)
You sound like an anti-Christian troll.
Christians are obligated to expose the anti-Christian cult of Mormonism as it fights and schemes to eliminate Christianity, and Bishop Romney is a powerful figure in that cult, and their current front man as he runs to become leader of the conservative movement, and over Christian voters.
Granted.
But note I tied this worldview into two areas of Romney...one his arrogance/pride/character...which you've tried to address here...and the other...his vulnerability to deception...his gullibility...which isn't addressed by your "swelled head" comment...
The Mormon church over the past two years LEADS the nation in affinity fraud amongst various religious groups. Lds.org is even putting out press releases about it. (You have to understand that the LAST thing in the world the Lds church would do, PR wise, is to initiate a poor-reflection on-their-people press release). They are a highly gullible people...spiritually...financially. It will be all too easy for people...for foreign-policy contacts...to pull one, two, three, etc. over on Romney. He lacks the requisite discernment for being THE leader of the free world.
Look how Romney was hoodwinked in MA with same-sex marriage, etc.
Do you really think the average American gives a hoot about what Mormons believe?
Yes. For the more conservative Americans, they are wrestling whether it's enough to override what Obama believes (politically, socially, etc.).
For the Independents out there? By the time you give the Dems & MSM a full 6-month media storm on Romney's racist ties, his godhood wannabe-ism, his necro-baptismal ties, his magic underwear, etc...yeah, enough of them will to make a difference.
Doncha underestimate the MSM...the Dems...and Evangelicals who don't want to commit the sin of idolatry...voting for a rival of God who thinks he's in the same divine league as God.
In any event, if he’s a polytheist, then his thinking he’s going to be a god shouldn’t be such a big deal to him. To him, all of his fellow believers are going to be gods. So, no big deal. Your point falls apart.
Well, then, you don't understand how much idolatry is as an "anathema" to the Christian community.
Those who set themselves up as competing gods (like temple Mormons...who are about 15-20% of all Lds)...makes voting for one who we know to be such a temple Mormon...as aiding and abetting idolatry.
You know, over the past 5 years I've spent a fair amount of time discerning how Mormon worldviews intersect with a ruinous White House...
You Obama "closet" Muslim types are forever lazy around here...
I've probably seen umpteen hundred references around FR to Obama being a "closet" Muslim...and ZERO attempts to actually document that.
You posters make FR look bad as being rumor-mongers.
I think it'd be fairly easy to prove that Obama caters to Muslims just on the basis of what he's done since becoming POTUS. But that he is one?...put your lazy mind into gear and prove it.
I’ll say one last thing: I don’t think someone who has positioned himself to become president is all that “gullible.” Maybe the peons are, but I wouldn’t worry about that.
That’s the thing. All the things you raise pale in comparison to real world issues. All this religious stuff is irrelevant.
If this election turns on magic underwear and proxy baptisms, I’ll be real surprised. Most people will see such as attempts to appeal to prejudice and it will be ruled out.
lol - and Nixon was a Quaker.
Jimmy Carter was a Baptist........
Dave, there ya go, again, with your pre-conceived presumptions that religion & political arenas are to be carefully compartmentalized.
God doesn't operate that way. Why do you? Is this a reflection upon the way you run your own life?
Again...discernment is a HUGE issue...a key character trait.
For example, the MORMON church has issued countless articles, papers, book portions trying to convey how Islam & Mormonism have many similarities.
A Mormon president who falls for this line is extremely gullible to how Muslims operate. If radical political Islam is just an "incomplete Mormonism" to a Mormon president, duck!
If this election turns on magic underwear and proxy baptisms, I’ll be real surprised
Oh, the MSM & Dems will help ensure that it will...but don't worry, you're right on one: There's so many whacky Mormon beliefs & practices -- and racism is just one them -- that magic underwear and necro-baptism will be just a few bullet-points in the overall storm...you know like the "hail" in a small area as the tornados sweep over multi-states...
Allow me to give another example of how theological worldviews influence our social (& political) worldviews...from a distinctly Mormon perspective:
Mormons believe that Muslims were brothers & sisters to them in the "pre-existence."
So...before Mitt was born, he was stationed near Kolob after having his spirit born there...[no spirit-birth certificate, yet Mitt believes he really is an "alien" of sorts]
And he was supposedly surrounded by brothers & sisters who would become Muslims.
The New Testament worldview of those who would descend from Hagar...is reflected (as a contrast) by the apostle Paul in Galatians 4:21-31...(people can read that for themselves if interested).
It's a more realistic appraisal of the spiritual bondage that the Muslim world finds itself in. This worldview is more wary of Muslims; whereas, the Mormon worldview is more accepting of Islam.
Oh, and btw, watch the Dems & MSM have some "fun" with Romney's belief about the so-called "pre-existence."
One of them will eventually say: "Oh, so you 'birthers & other conservatives have 'issues' with Obama's Hawaii birth certificate; you think he's an alien citizen who moved here after birth. Yet Mitt Romney confesses that before he became a U.S. citizen, he was actually spirit born not only in another country, but another planet! So. That's 'OK' with you? That's not your hypocrisy showing? Why aren't you demanding that Mitt show his Kolobian spirit-birth certificate?"
So. Imagine that. Mitt Romney, our first potential 'Truly Alien' POTUS!
“But that he is one?...put your lazy mind into gear and prove it.”
Ok, challenge accepted. To Muslims, the defining point of whether someone is a Muslim or not is whether they have taken “shahada”, or made a public proclamation of faith in Allah and his prophet, Muhammed. In March, 2007, in an interview with Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times, this took place:
“Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent.”
http://www.webcitation.org/mainframe.php
Now, what are the opening lines of the call to prayer (the Adhan)? They are:
“Allah is greater. I testify that there is no deity except Allah. I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.”
The simple form of the “shahada” profession of faith is:
“There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.”
So, the opening lines of the call to prayer ARE a form of the shahada, and by reciting them publicly, Obama fulfilled the basic requirement to become a Muslim, if he had not done so before that time.
Except in one election (& it wasn't Ross Perot), I've yet to withhold voting for the GoP POTUS candidate since turning of voting age...yet with all of them, I've disagreed with something significant...some more than others.
So you're just tossing out a straw man here...a foundationless accusation that I see a lot of FREEPERS toss out about complete strangers.
If Romney gets the nomination, this will be quite a departure in moving away from voting GoP. (I'll vote third-party; leave the GoP; and encourage others to go Independent as well)
I don't vote for pro-aborts...(like romney)
I don't vote for socialistic healthcare pioneers (like Romney...somebody who actually outliberalized & outpioneered Hillary on this front)
I don't vote for 75% liberal judge-appointers (like Romney)
I don't vote for somebody who advocates that homosexual employees should be accorded minority status (like Romney)
And I won't financially or promotionally support a party that has a tent so big it no longer stands for anything, anymore...
You're welcome to your pro-abort, pro-socialistic, pro liberal judges, etc. league that you're joining.
A Romney nomination = I'm done with the GoP.
Hmmm. You get my “learned something new” award for the day, maybe for the week. Didn’t know that.
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