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Posted on 04/23/2012 4:47:09 AM PDT by SJackson
More important, Allah is fictional as well.
>> Please cite source for Omar.
> It’s from an article that I read on JihadWatch 7 or 8 years back when Hugh Fitzgerald joined JihadWatch.org. Can I locate the original source? Not gonna try. Go to jihadwatch and do your own looking up.
No, Allah is real. Allah is Satan.
But I’ve seen in various Jewish history books the translation of a letter from various rabbis in Medina to Muhammed in effect rejecting him as a prophet, but expressing gratification that he has become a believer in the existence of one supreme G-d. If they wrote him a letter, then he must have existed. Apparently, the letter really p@#$ed him off.
Exactly.
Another explanation I’ve heard is that the sea routes were working more effectively and this impoverished the caravaneers.
Mo worked the camel caravans. When pirates or predatory governments made movement of goods via the Red Sea or Persian Gulf too expensive, merchants switched to camel caravans across the Arabian Peninsula, which were of course much more expensive than water shipment otherwise. This was the major economic activity of Arabia, supporting most of the townspeople like Mohammed’s clan. Even the Bedouin depended on the caravans. No caravans, raiding isn’t very profitable.
Supposedly an economic crisis in the peninsula preceded the Muslim explosion, possibly caused by switch to water rather than land shipment.
Spencer would suggest they might be addressed to a number of Muhammeds, not necessarily th Muhammed known today. Not sure it matters, whether he’s a historical individual, likely, or an an after the fact composite a century later, jihad is still an imperative.
The details about his four wives in the Hadith does sound real, though. If you want to create a composite legend about a prophet of unblemished righteousness, you don’t have him go around shtupping nine-year-olds or marrying six-year-olds and then waiting three years to shtupp them. With a sex life like that, he’d have to be as real as Jerry Lee Lewis.
Great picture of that in one of the art shops on Jaffe Street, btw. Mad Mo has got his tongue in this pre-pubescent pauper girl’s ear, and she’s looking out at the world with a hopeless, resigned look in her eyes. I’m amazed that the Arabs haven’t rioted over it. I scribbled a poem about it in my notebook somewhere.
Then there’s the epilepsy. There’s a consensus among physicians who have read the accounts of his ‘prophesies’ in the Hadith and Koran that he definitely had epilepsy. Can there have been multiple Mohameds with epilepsy,or did the authors of those accounts merely happen to spell out its symptoms without realizing it, about a fictional person? I’d say he existed.
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I guess that Spencer is using research done by Sven Kalisch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sven_Kalisch that formerly was a Muslim scholar, and since that is impossible be skipped the muslim part:
Doubt about Muhammad’s Existence Poses Threat to Islamic Religious Education 18 sept 2008
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2088564/posts
Good theory.
add the comments by wideawake (from 2004):
The Nabataeans were an Arabic people who lived on the eastern borders of the Jews. They spoke Aramaic and they were allies of the Romans. Their religion was apparently a mixture of Arab paganism with tinges of Judaism and Christian influences as well.
If the Koran shows as heavy an Aramaic influence as this guy suggests, it makes it pretty likely that the Koran is just cobbled-together fragments of eclectic Nabataean religious texts.
Just as many Jewish texts are written in a blend of Aramaic and Hebrew using Aramaic script, the Koran could be a blend of Arabic and Aramaic in Arabic script.
This would explain the thousands of words and phrases in the Koran that are obscure and that have provoked endless commentary. It would also explain why the Koran is so disorganized and shuffled. It is the least coherent, in terms of narrative structure, of any major Near Eastern text.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1277705/reply?c=10
and we have a pretty good idea of the beginning of the problem.
sorry, this is the link http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1277705/posts?page=10#10
“I guess that Spencer is using research done by Sven Kalisch “
Among others. I wonder if there’s really anything new in his book, or he just needed a bigger payday?
Also, there are no pictures of him.
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Perpetual outrage can be exhausting.
Here’s the real reason for the Arab “explosion” out of the peninsula: the tribes along the Levant were nominally Christian - Monophysites: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monophysitism - the Ghassanids: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghassanids guarded the trade routes. Eventually, the Byzantines attacked the leadership as heretical and Islam was welcoming. Once they became oppressed by Byzantium they decided to switch and depredate the trade routes themselves. Hence Islam, the religion of predation, was a perfect match.
You’ll note that once other people’s money runs out Islam slows down quite a bit.
Muhammad will be returning as the Mahdi with one hundred million post apocalyptic zombies and vampires
The Byzantines had for a century or two been persecuting Jews and “heretical” Christians all through the Levant, Egypt and North Africa.
For most of these people, the switch from orthodox Christian to Muslim rule really was an (initial) improvement, economically and for religious freedom, etc.
1500 years later it hadn’t really worked out that way.
Spain had also been indulging in religious persecution of minority groups, who reasonably enough felt little loyalty to their persecutors.
It is interesting that Muslim expansion more or less ran into a brick wall and stopped for centuries when it bumped up against united Christian populations in Italy, France, Anatolia, etc.
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