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I Hunt, but the N.R.A. Isnít for Me [barf alert]
NYT ^ | 24 April 2012 | Lily Raff McCaulou

Posted on 04/25/2012 7:32:59 AM PDT by smokingfrog

EARLIER this month, Mitt Romney delivered a speech at the annual National Rifle Association convention, calling for a president “who will stand up for the rights of hunters, sportsmen and those seeking to protect their homes and their families,” presumably with guns. I’d like to remind Mr. Romney that those are distinct groups. Too often — especially during an election year — hunters and N.R.A. members are lumped together as one and the same.

I’m a hunter and a sportswoman. I own guns, but not for self-defense. I support gun control laws. I would happily vote to repeal the Stand Your Ground law in my home state of Oregon. In other words, the N.R.A. does not represent me.

Among gun owners, I’m hardly alone. The N.R.A. has just over four million members. That sounds like a lot until you consider that about one in five American adults own one or more guns. That’s nearly 50 million people. That means roughly 90 percent of gun owners do not belong to the N.R.A.

Let’s say, for argument’s sake, that every N.R.A. member is also a hunter — which is highly unlikely, considering that the most comprehensive national survey of firearm ownership to date found that only 35 percent of gun-owning households say they hunt. Even then, the N.R.A. would represent only about one-third of all hunters in the United States.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; gungrabbers; hunters; standyourground
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Don't worry, Lily. After the gun grabbers get rid of all the assault weapons and handguns, they'll be sure to come after your "high-powered sniper rifle" next.
1 posted on 04/25/2012 7:33:02 AM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

The Second Amendment ain’t about duck hunting.


2 posted on 04/25/2012 7:37:30 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: smokingfrog
Well, the one good thing is that self defense is actually getting mentioned in this election cycle. Perhaps in other parts of the country, self defense is given a fair shake in the media, but here in the northeast the libs have tried hard to equate the second amendment with hunting rights. Remember when Tom Selleck had to ask Rosie O'Donnell if she thought the second amendment was really about hunting - I think she really did.

In a sense, I agree with this lib from the NYTimes - I'm not a hunter but I put the right to bear arms only after the right to life in my voting priorities.

3 posted on 04/25/2012 7:38:23 AM PDT by old and tired (Go Newt!)
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To: smokingfrog

Another village idiot gone astray!


4 posted on 04/25/2012 7:38:48 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: smokingfrog

Claptrap from some “I’m better than you are” idiot clearly out of touch with both constitutional issues relative to the Second Amendment and the most basic and simple nature of American politics.

Hence, a classic Useful Idiot for the Left.

Come back when you’ve got a clue, you silly woman.


5 posted on 04/25/2012 7:39:05 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: smokingfrog

Country Club gun owner, Gun Culture 1.0 type.


6 posted on 04/25/2012 7:40:18 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: smokingfrog

I’m on the opposite side in opposing the NRA.

I pulled my NRA membership when the NRA putzes endorsed every single commie Dem incumbent NM congressman in the 2010 elections.

The NRA enjoys playing both sides of the fence.

No mas.


7 posted on 04/25/2012 7:41:49 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: facedown

Yep. She likes to hunt, but is neverous about the great unwashed have access to guns.


8 posted on 04/25/2012 7:42:29 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: fishtank

Indeed!

The NRA gives money to RATS—Game over.


9 posted on 04/25/2012 7:45:38 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Journalists first; then lawyers.)
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To: smokingfrog

“I’m a hunter and a sportswoman. I own guns, but not for self-defense. I support gun control laws.”

We have members at my Sporting/Shooting Club that think like this. Usually spout some claptrap about, “Who needs a pistol for self-defense?” and “Those damned yahoos with Assault weapons will get all our rights taken away one day”

We like to call them “Golfers with Guns” or “Jim Zumbo Zombies”.


10 posted on 04/25/2012 7:47:40 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Liberalism: Carrying adolescent values and behavior into adult life.)
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To: smokingfrog

Anyone care to bet that the government will not use the NRA subscription list to find out who the gun owners are?


11 posted on 04/25/2012 7:48:54 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: smokingfrog

I don’t much care for the Nevada Racquetball Alliance myself...


12 posted on 04/25/2012 7:49:18 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Arm_Bears

I left my 30 year membership lapse for that very reason.


13 posted on 04/25/2012 7:49:23 AM PDT by WinMod70
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To: WinMod70

Can I git me a huntin license?


14 posted on 04/25/2012 7:52:23 AM PDT by rickomatic
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To: fishtank

“The NRA enjoys playing both sides of the fence.”

They do so because they can affect demos votes as well as Repubs. We don’t always have a Republican Congress and their role as a bi-partisan organization has been very effective.

So. I am a member and will continue to be so for the rest of my life.


15 posted on 04/25/2012 8:01:40 AM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: fishtank

Must respectfully disagree with you.

Our job as NRA members is to call the NRA leadership on the carpet when they do something that is against the charter and best interest of the group. The NRA is a single issue memberhips that supports those who are 2dA supporters, even some Democrats fall into that category. When the NRA supports those few, they typically catch some flak but for the most part the membership is silent. That is the real tragedy. Every member of the NRA should call the leadership to task and make certain that they are playing with fire and that throwing support to Democrats NEVER works.

Write to the magazine of your choice and pitch a fit. Contact other members and petition to have that support withdrawn. The wrong answer is to let your membership lapse. You can only fix a problem when you become part of the solution.

v.r
rj
NRA Life Member #151105576


16 posted on 04/25/2012 8:03:54 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: smokingfrog

What kind of weapon would Lily use on an armed intruder in her home?


17 posted on 04/25/2012 8:11:42 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: smokingfrog

Funny. I am just the opposite. I support NRA (and am a member). I support gun rights, but I don’t hunt.

Why not? I don’t feel like going out in the woods when it is crowded with other hunters. I sympathize with the animals. Call me foolishly tender-hearted!

I am not against hunting: it needs to be done. We have too darn many deer. I will eat some venison if offered, and I have been known even to salvage road kill (if it is fresh enough). It’s just that I am not sure that I would enjoy pulling the trigger with a deer in my sights. Let someone else do that.


18 posted on 04/25/2012 8:12:16 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: smokingfrog

Beware of women with three names.


19 posted on 04/25/2012 8:13:19 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: buffaloguy
They do so because they can affect demos votes as well as Repubs. We don’t always have a Republican Congress and their role as a bi-partisan organization has been very effective.

Good point. I upgraded to a Life Membership when Obama was elected. The only problem is that now they're -always- calling with pleas for more money. Oh well... :-)

20 posted on 04/25/2012 8:13:46 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius

I’m going to be upgrading to Life Membership sometime in the near future. It is a good organization.


21 posted on 04/25/2012 8:18:17 AM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: smokingfrog
Lily Raff McCaulou
I’m a hunter and a sportswoman. I own guns, but not for self-defense. I support gun control laws. I would happily vote to repeal the Stand Your Ground law in my home state of Oregon.
Okay Lily. Just remember that *if* some 6'-2", 250 lb rapist decides he'd like to meet you in a dark alley some night. As your being RAPED keep telling yourself:
"I don't believe in guns for self-defense, repeal the Stand Your Ground law. I don't believe in guns for self-defense, repeal the Stand Your Ground law. I don't believe in guns for self-defense, repeal the Stand Your Ground law...."

And if you're lucky and the RAPIST doesn't KILL YOU too. You can repeat that bullshit to the police at the hospital while the nurse is doing a Rape Kit on you. Oh, and repeat it six months later when you find out you now have AIDS.

Happy 'Hunting' Lily.

22 posted on 04/25/2012 8:21:58 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: old and tired
Look, Lady, if you don't like the NRA don't join. It's not like a union or Obamacare, it's voluntary. That's the way free people like it. And that's why they want those guns.
23 posted on 04/25/2012 8:25:40 AM PDT by Old North State (Don't blame me, I voted for Pedro)
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To: smokingfrog
I own guns, but not for self-defense.

Not for self-defense. Does that mean you would use something less effective to defend yourself? Perhaps a kitchen knife? Or calling 911 and curling into a whimpering ball? If you had a crazed home invader about to do harm to a family member would you renounce that shotgun immediately at hand in favor of dialog?

24 posted on 04/25/2012 8:33:25 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Romney's judicial appointments were more radical than Obama's)
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To: smokingfrog

I hunt and the NRA is too soft for me. I support the Second Amendment Foundation.


25 posted on 04/25/2012 8:34:09 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: smokingfrog
One of the problems I have noted at our gun club is the certain clicks of snobs that inhabit the black powder, cowboy action, IPSC, bull's eye, bench rest, trap and skeet, and hunter-shooter fraternities. The pistol shooters don't give a damn about anyone else as long as they get to keep theirs; ditto the shotgunners; ditto the hunters. These and others make fun of the EBR (evil black rifle) shooters and ask why anyone needs an “assault weapon”. (Such a breathtaking display of ignorance is mind boggling.)

Of all the shooters at the club, the worst of the worst when it comes to attitude seem to be the shotgun shooters. These guys will spend $6,000 on a fancy trap or skeet shotgun and not skip a heartbeat, but they question why anyone wants one of those EBRs or some kind of military-looking firearm. These guys should know better, but they have blinders on when it comes to firearms that are outside their small group of favorites.

Whenever I hear one of these self-appointed “experts” mouthing off, I remind them that the gun grabbers mean to take ALL of their precious guns and they make no distinction of whose they want. They want ALL of them.

26 posted on 04/25/2012 8:39:51 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: SkyDancer; All
Anyone care to bet that the government will not use the NRA subscription list to find out who the gun owners are?

Of course they would, but we are way beyond that. If you have subscribed to Guns and Ammo, or ever had a hunting license, or posted on freerepublic, you are also on that list.

The point is to make the list so big that they have to go after half the country. I think we are there now. Bill Ayers group, the Weathermen, said they were willing to kill off 25 million Americans to move their agenda forward. There are a lot more of us now.

27 posted on 04/25/2012 8:47:21 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: theBuckwheat
I support the Second Amendment Foundation.

Excellent! I had neglected to mention that there are multiple other 2dA organizations out there and the author seems to gloss over that fact. Combined membership is quite impressive to even the most casual observer and can be quite the voting bloc when called upon to act. Life membership in the SAF is quite reasonable at $150 so I will be considering a life membership.

28 posted on 04/25/2012 8:49:32 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: fishtank

I left because they were sending me unsolicited DVDs, then nasty dunning letters. And the Hairy Reid butt-buddying.


29 posted on 04/25/2012 8:53:04 AM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: marktwain
Bill Ayers group, the Weathermen, said they were willing to kill off 25 million Americans to move their agenda forward. There are a lot more of us now.

He may be willing, but I doubt he is able...

30 posted on 04/25/2012 9:06:14 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: smokingfrog
I’m a hunter and a sportswoman. I own guns, but not for self-defense. I support gun control laws.

Good. All you need to do is distribute fliers proclaiming you will not defend yourself. Have your address on the fliers. Include a picture of yourself. Distribute these fliers in areas of New York City that might be on Trayvon Martin's side.

Otherwise, STFU.

This article is another big pantsload of New York Times.

31 posted on 04/25/2012 9:12:04 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Admin Moderator refuses to let me hit it. -- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2875871/posts)
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To: smokingfrog
While the 2nd Amendment is not about hunting, what credentials does she have to even speak to or for hunters?

From the this NYTimes articles:

"I decided to take up hunting about six years ago, two years after I moved from New York City to rural Oregon..."
From the description on Amazon of her book:
"When Lily Raff McCaulou traded in an indie film production career in New York for a reporting job in central Oregon, she never imagined that she'd find herself picking up a gun and learning to hunt. She'd been raised as a gun-fearing environmentalist..."

"Call of the Mild: Learning to Hunt My Own Dinner"

From her own website:
"I grew up in Takoma Park, Maryland, which is a cool, hippie suburb of Washington, D.C. I graduated from Wesleyan University with a degree in film studies and worked in New York City’s independent film industry before becoming a newspaper reporter in 2004."

www.lilyrm.com

Cool hippie, gun-fearing environmentalist, ivy leaguer, indie film producer, reporter and recently turned "hunter" is the NYTimes spokeperson for hunters on guns!

One Question: When she picked up her hunting license did she ask, "Can I get me a hunting license here?"

32 posted on 04/25/2012 9:37:11 AM PDT by drpix
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To: smokingfrog

33 posted on 04/25/2012 9:40:24 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: smokingfrog

Lily Raff McCaulou
@LilyMcCaulou

Journalist interested in hunting, food and the environment. Author of the forthcoming CALL OF THE MILD (June 2012).

Bend, OR · http://www.lilyrm.

http://twitter.com/#!/lilymccaulou


34 posted on 04/25/2012 9:41:38 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: drpix

She is in extreme danger of being converted. I have seen it happen. Facts are stubborn things.


35 posted on 04/25/2012 9:43:18 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: smokingfrog

Taking up arms

April 25, 2012

I wrote an op-ed for today’s New York Times, pointing out the obvious: that the NRA doesn’t have hunters’ best interests in mind. Not surprisingly, the emails are already pouring in. I’ll blog about these responses in a few days. For now, I’m off to buy a few hard copies of the paper.

******

I grew up in Takoma Park, Maryland, which is a cool, hippie suburb of Washington, D.C. I graduated from Wesleyan University with a degree in film studies and worked in New York City’s independent film industry before becoming a newspaper reporter in 2004.

I’ve written articles about everything from pirate attacks to professional mini-golfers to dogs trained to find wild animal poop for science experiments. Along the way, I’ve won numerous awards, including a prestigious Knight-Wallace Fellowship at the University of Michigan.

My first book will be published in June 2012 by Grand Central Publishing. I also write a weekly column for The Bulletin.

I live in Bend, Oregon with my husband, Scott, our son, Sam, and our dog, Sylvia. Our last name is pronounced mc-CULL-oh.

http://www.lilyrm.com/Lily_Raff_McCaulou/Bio.html


36 posted on 04/25/2012 9:44:06 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: smokingfrog

It’s OK, Lily - I upgraded to Life membership in your place this year, so the NRA won’t miss you.


37 posted on 04/25/2012 9:59:58 AM PDT by TonyInOhio (Arm yourselves, and be ye men of valour)
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To: marktwain
"She is in extreme danger of being converted. I have seen it happen."

If and when it does happens, she'll never get anything published in the NYTimes again.

38 posted on 04/25/2012 10:00:09 AM PDT by drpix
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To: MasterGunner01

I agree, hunt club shotgunners are probably the biggest guns snobs. And I’m a shotgunner, but I rely on a vintage Remington 870 rather than anything fancier. That doesn’t mean I don’t regard the classic side by side double as the most beautiful of all gun types.

But it’s extremely shortsighted of the snobs to think that they won’t eventually be targeted. Their shotguns will wind up in a locked vault at a gun club under the new order, like in UK right now, or confiscated. A gun is a gun is a gun to the gungrabbers, and is anything more wicked at close range than a sawed off double barrel?

What’s ugly about a black assault rifle lookalike, anyway? In the hands of a patriot, it can be a thing of beauty indeed.

This NYT writer still has her nutcake side. How the heck can you own guns and absolutely not anticipate using them defensively?


39 posted on 04/25/2012 10:07:26 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: drpix

Dear Lily,
You are an idiot. Be careful with that high powered Assault/Sniper Rifle. According to “Some People” those things have been known to fight their way our of gun safes
load themselves and go hang out in the woods out side of high schools looking fer trouble.

It would be best if you just turned it in now before something very tragic happens and you get prosecuted for
allowing to happen. You wouldn’t want the blood of innocents on you hands would you?


40 posted on 04/25/2012 10:17:13 AM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: drpix
"She is in extreme danger of being converted. I have seen it happen." If and when it does happens, she'll never get anything published in the NYTimes again.

You are correct. Of course, by then the NYTimes may be out of business and she might be able to get a gig with the new media.

41 posted on 04/25/2012 10:21:34 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
marktwain said: "The point is to make the list so big that they have to go after half the country."

I know what you're thinking, punk! Did I buy six rifles, or only five. Now you've got to ask yourself a question, "Do I feel lucky?". Well, do you, punk?"

I lost track of how many guns I own just prior to an unfortuante boating accident.

42 posted on 04/25/2012 10:58:01 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell
I know what you're thinking, punk! Did I buy six rifles, or only five. Now you've got to ask yourself a question, "Do I feel lucky?". Well, do you, punk?"

LOL! Excellent.

43 posted on 04/25/2012 11:15:46 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: smokingfrog

NYT finds some leftist dupe to bash NRA. Nothing new here. Plus we get some comments from the NRA bashers here. Nothing new there either.


44 posted on 04/25/2012 12:40:36 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: MasterGunner01

Dunno why.

As a sometime member of the Cowboy action shooting clique, I don’t own a “black rifle” but I like the fact that others do. I keep thinking that someone needs to create an “Action Movie Shooting Society” that uses EBRs, high-capacity automatic shotguns, high-capacity automatic pistols, grenade simulators, etc.

The fact that I like lever action Winchester M1887 replica for my home defense gun, is just a personal choice.


45 posted on 04/25/2012 12:53:09 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: smokingfrog

“I’m a hunter and a sportswoman. I own guns, but not for self-defense. I support gun control laws. I would happily vote to repeal the Stand Your Ground law in my home state of Oregon. In other words, the N.R.A. does not represent me. “

Lily could benefit from taking Constitution 101 at her local community college.


46 posted on 04/25/2012 2:07:54 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: smokingfrog

One can only assume that she also banks at BoA!


47 posted on 04/25/2012 5:48:00 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Taxman

good one!


48 posted on 04/25/2012 5:58:28 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
I own guns, but not for self-defense.

Effing moron. That sentence shows she Lily dumber than dirt.

I wonder what precious Lily uses for self defense? A pillow?
49 posted on 04/25/2012 6:50:11 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: rjsimmon; All
The NRA is a single issue memberhips that supports those who are 2dA supporters, even some Democrats fall into that category.

That argument holds no water.

Dems who supported obamacare also support putting into place a system which will make guns a public health threat at some point in the future. You know it's coming.

If the NRA cannot see this simple fact, they are not getting a dime from me.
50 posted on 04/25/2012 6:54:00 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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