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Republicans seek to hold attorney general in contempt over Fast and Furious
LA Times ^ | April 26, 2012 | Richard A. Serrano

Posted on 04/27/2012 8:13:16 PM PDT by neverdem

House GOP leaders draft a citation accusing Eric H. Holder Jr. and the Justice Department of hindering their inquiry into the ATF gun-tracking operation.

WASHINGTON — Republican House leaders have drafted a proposed contempt of Congress citation against Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. in which they charge that he and his Justice Department have repeatedly "obstructed and slowed" the Capitol Hill investigation into the ATF's flawed Fast and Furious gun-tracking operation.

The 48-page draft citation is being drawn up by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. Top committee officials recently met for most of a day in the House speaker's office and were given the green light to proceed toward a contempt citation, according to sources who declined to be identified.

If adopted by the GOP-led House, the contempt resolution would be sent to the U.S. attorney's office in Washington or perhaps an independent counsel in an attempt to force the Justice Department to provide tens of thousands of internal documents to the committee.

A contempt resolution would also escalate a political feud between Issa and the Obama administration. Earlier this week Issa called the Obama White House "the most corrupt in government history." At a hearing in December, he compared Holder to disgraced Atty. Gen. John Mitchell from the President Nixon era, a comment that prompted Holder to fire back in language reminiscent of the bitter Senate hearings led by former Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.): "Have you no shame?"

Holder and other Justice Department officials insist they are cooperating with congressional investigators. Holder said the department had responded to more than three dozen letters from members of Congress and facilitated numerous witness interviews. The department has submitted or made available more than 6,400 pages of documents, he said...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; obama
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1 posted on 04/27/2012 8:13:23 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Eff you white boy he said while dragging his pants out of the room..


2 posted on 04/27/2012 8:17:15 PM PDT by allmost
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To: neverdem

Eff you white boy he said while dragging his pants out of the room..


3 posted on 04/27/2012 8:17:37 PM PDT by allmost
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To: neverdem

Hold him??? Jail him!!!!


4 posted on 04/27/2012 8:18:21 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: neverdem

I’ve heard that two of the Mexican drug lords who received ‘Fast and Furious’ weaponry were actually on the payroll of the FBI. Has this been confirmed?


5 posted on 04/27/2012 8:19:30 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: neverdem

Issa: Time to stop “seeking” and time to “DO IT”.

Hit Holder and his authoritarian cohorts with so many subpoenas that they are buried up to their red necks with them.

And shove a few up their asses, too, for effect.

Stop talking and really start kicking ass.
Holder is on the ropes. Time to politically finish him off.


6 posted on 04/27/2012 8:29:13 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I’ve heard that two of the Mexican drug lords who received ‘Fast and Furious’ weaponry were actually on the payroll of the FBI. Has this been confirmed?

Something like that. IIRC, one of the guys that supposedly the ATF wanted to nail was an informer for the FBI.

7 posted on 04/27/2012 8:30:46 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
The Republicans have been all talk and no action, even in their last time in power.
I'll believe it when I see it when they actually do something about the crimes of Eric Holder, other wise, shut the hell up unless they are going to take action.
Criminals are not scared of idle talk, they are scared of those who say little and do much with their actions.
Just another election year ploy as far as I am concerned to get the people to vote for them.

8 posted on 04/27/2012 8:45:15 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: neverdem
I was down in Costa Rica last week. When speaking to an educated citizen of CR, he revealed that most in Latin America believe the Mexican war lords are entirely on the US Federal payroll and this whole thrust is an attempt by the Feds to dominate distribution of drugs, eliminating all middlemen.

As proof, he suggested that the Feds know every drug kingpin from Columbia right up through Mexico but when the drugs cross the USA border, suddenly there are no drug kingpins. They just disappear. No, not the thousands of low-level pushers but the guys who move tons of drugs seemingly right under the noses of the specialized police forces.

When is the last time an American citizen has been arrested for major drug distribution?

Just a little to ponder about the entirely futile and unsuccessful War on Drugs.

9 posted on 04/27/2012 8:45:20 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: neverdem
Republicans seek to hold attorney general in contempt over Fast and Furious

Good! Glad to see they are finally coming around! Personally I've held the SOB in contempt for a LONG time now!

10 posted on 04/27/2012 8:52:04 PM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: SandRat

And ANOTHER thing. FLOOD of campaign offices of GOP candidates for Congress either in primaries or if they now have the nomination, and ask them directly if they would support such a resolution out of the House, in Contempt of Congress. If they waffle or bullshit like a RINO, tell them they are getting neither your money nor your vote (and you will go Alternative Conservative Party in the general if you have to). Threaten them across the land from the grassroots up, to act against this traitorous Holder individual.


11 posted on 04/27/2012 8:59:25 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Study closely socialist Hugo Chavez' usage of 'popular masses' in the streets to thwart 1992 coup)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
There is a reason Obama shipped weapons and grenades into Mexico. Holder did not follow them to bust the drug operators who received them as was claimed. I don't know what the real motive is.
12 posted on 04/27/2012 9:15:23 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: neverdem
a comment that prompted Holder to fire back in language reminiscent of the bitter Senate hearings led by former Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.): "Have you no shame?"

What?!?

Holder LIED about his knowledge of the program and has refused to provide documents which would implicate his having been told of the program in advance. He may not have created the program but he certainly signed off on it and it got 2 good American law officers killed and untold Mexican citizens gunned down.

His response to the whole investigation has been to stonewall Congress, intimidate agents, and threaten Mexican politicians who demand answers. The sheer arrogance is matched only by the gall they had in having press conferences saying they'd prosecute the men who killed the agents.

It's shameful. And if Holder had any ability to feel shame I'd hope knowing what he's done would drive him to do the right thing but I have no faith in it.

Holder would stack as many innocent bodies as it takes to build a wall high enough to protect himself and his cronies. The law does not mean a single thing to Holder. He is a scumbag.

13 posted on 04/27/2012 9:16:54 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Don't call them jihadis. Call them irhabis. Tick them off, don't entertain their delusion.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

That’s the rumor.

So far we know that the ATF watched the straw purchasers buy the weapons, advised the gun dealers to sell them, and watched the buyers walk the guns to the border.

It’s looking like they may have had some of the higher ups on their payrolls as informants and they covered up shootings to try and keep their informants out of jail. Odds are if that’s true (I believe it is) then it means that we probably paid them to buy weapons which they then used to kill Americans.

All so we could possibly catch someone somewhere else possibly higher up. So yea, a horrid plan failed and it looks like only the low level people who they knew about at the start of the program will get arrested.

That’s the Holder DOJ for you. Stupid, powerful, and arrogant. The worst traits for a law officer to have.


14 posted on 04/27/2012 9:21:29 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Don't call them jihadis. Call them irhabis. Tick them off, don't entertain their delusion.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Agreed, sir.


15 posted on 04/27/2012 9:34:10 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: SaraJohnson
"There is a reason Obama shipped weapons and grenades into Mexico. Holder did not follow them to bust the drug operators who received them as was claimed. I don't know what the real motive is."

With due respect, you haven't been keeping up. That's okay, not everyone has the time to research everything.

The "Gun-Walker" operation, as it's called, was apparently created to show how many US manufactured guns go down to Mexico and cause havoc, and thereby give credibility to the Obamba/Holder anti-gun position for new legislation and/or Executive Orders.

"Fast and Furious" is the code name for one of the most outrageous operations the Fedgov has ever perpetrated in recent times. Hundreds have died for this pretense under a gun-grabbing agenda. People should go to jail.

An assistant Attorney General involved just resigned. Now he's the Dean of some university. Does this not remind you of the clinton days where so many resigned (family matters - har) and so many died.

Now that Rep. Issa is pushing for a Contempt of Congress citation against Holder, it may get some MSM traction. It will be almost impossible for the media to ignore such. This is a good thing and gives me some hope.

16 posted on 04/27/2012 9:57:11 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: neverdem

I wonder why the article calls it a “gun tracking” program when the guns were not tracked.

Aren’t these reporters the least bit interested in figuring out the real reason Holder was running guns and grenades to the drug lords in Mexico? Are they interested in how many Mexicans have been murdered by Holder’s guns and grenades? What a brain dead job journalism is today.


17 posted on 04/27/2012 10:03:11 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

Journalism is dead, in the newspeak it is the ministry of information.


18 posted on 04/27/2012 10:10:12 PM PDT by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: neverdem
Should change the way that the Attorney General is appointed.
Future Attorney Generals should not be appointed by the President where there is a partisan bias motivation.
Future AGs should be appointed by a non - partisan panel from the Supreme Court and have Congress confirm them.
Anyone have a better idea so we don't have this corruption anymore ?
19 posted on 04/27/2012 10:10:40 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Should future AGs be appointed by the President of the USA where there is a clear partisan bias motivation behind it ? and if no ? how then could we appoint a AG where there is no partisan bias behind it and weed out the cronyism and corruption behind it ?


20 posted on 04/27/2012 10:13:58 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: SandRat
Hold him??? Jail him!!!!

Hang him for sedition!

21 posted on 04/27/2012 10:17:37 PM PDT by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: All
ATF Publishes Misleading Trace Data From Mexico
April 27, 2012 | Katie Pavlich

Fast and Furious; 0bama's Bloodiest Scandal and its Shameless Cover-Up.
Video interview with author/journalist Katie Pavlich.


22 posted on 04/27/2012 10:28:40 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: SaraJohnson; Neil E. Wright
"I wonder why the article calls it a “gun tracking” program when the guns were not tracked."

From what I've learned from this deadly scandal is that the intent WAS to track the weapons so as to show how many US manufactured guns were "close" to reaching the Mexican drug cartels, and thereby give weight for anti-gun legislation and/or executive order. Unfortunately, the "controlling authority" didn't consider how corrupt and lawless Mexico is.

What amazes me, beyond the audacity of the DOJ trying such an ill-fated political maneuver, is how they thought they could actually track those guns once in Mexico. Of course, I'm not privilege to internal operations of Fedgov agencies so who knows what twisted thinking was going on? But Mexico? Really? What an ill-conceived operation.

I truly think that children with no commonsense are running our country. And yes, they have their socialist agenda and working it with their best political intellect. I'm just saying that they don't have enough smarts to NOT create such a stupid program.

If Rep. Issa gets his Contempt of Congress citation passed against Holder, it will be a huge issue for this election year. Yeah, the hard-core Repubbie Party folks will say we don't need the Dim counter of racism, divisiveness, and mean-spiritness. I say let it all hang out and fight them as hard as we can on everything!!! We need to stop letting the liberal/socialists define the argument. Take it back to them, and by the way, get rid of Boehner.

23 posted on 04/27/2012 10:51:43 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: American Constitutionalist
"Future Attorney Generals should not be appointed by the President where there is a partisan bias motivation. Future AGs should be appointed by a non - partisan panel from the Supreme Court and have Congress confirm them."

Not sure about the USSC appointing the Attorney General (Supremes are politically selected nowadays with the Senate rubber-stamping), but I like the idea of a non-partisan agency, much like the GAO that doesn't parse words when it come to economic stats. Did I just suggest another fedgov agency? Maybe in this case it would be justified.

Unfortunately, it will never happen without a Constitutional amendment because of the power of the Executive Office. Still, if you read deeply into the intent of the Founding Fathers, there may be some room for Congress to legislate. I'll look further and get back...

24 posted on 04/27/2012 11:09:15 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: SaraJohnson
"What a brain dead job journalism is today."

Yup. Just think if there were still a Woodward or Bernstein who saw this for what it is? Deepthroat? This would be Deepkill!

It's now all about trying to get the anchor job on network TV. "LOOK AT ME! I'M IMPORTANT!".

Journalistic integrity is a lost concept. I so often wish that journalism studies and law studies would just shut down for awhile. Let them both diminish through attrition.

25 posted on 04/27/2012 11:22:33 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

Thank you, the pleasure is all mine, sir.


26 posted on 04/28/2012 12:17:17 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Study closely socialist Hugo Chavez' usage of 'popular masses' in the streets to thwart 1992 coup)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
most in Latin America believe the Mexican war lords are entirely on the US Federal payroll and this whole thrust is an attempt by the Feds to dominate distribution ...

There was a time a few years ago when I'd have laughed in that guy's face, or at least challenged his sources. Now ....

You know what I keep coming back to? After the Edmonds story, that is -- Sibyl Edmonds, the honest woman who had such a hard time being heard, but finally got to testify to a closed-door session of the House committee charged with oversight (presumaby the committee Issa chairs now).

But more than all that, I keep recalling a photograph of the two Bush brothers strolling up an airport flightline sometime in the 80's or in 1990-91, sometime right in there. In Mena, Arkansas. I wish someone would tell me that picture was wrong -- that it was really taken at an air park in Austin or Dallas, or maybe Kennebunkport. Anywhere but Mena.

27 posted on 04/28/2012 1:04:07 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: A Navy Vet
We need to stop letting the liberal/socialists define the argument. Take it back to them, and by the way, get rid of Boehner.

Bump. Peter King, or Cantor, for Speaker. Issa or Tom McClintock, or Ileana Ros-Lehtinen for House Majority Leader. Michele Bachmann for Whip (then let Boehner tell her, like he did a year ago January, "It's not your turn yet").

28 posted on 04/28/2012 1:15:12 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: SaraJohnson

There is a reason Obama shipped weapons and grenades into Mexico.....Obama and Hillary were giving speeches a couple of years ago in which they said that 90% of the weapons used by cartels in Mexico were coming from America. They were called out by a researcher who quoted a Bush operation ( GunRunner, I think) that was aborted because “There is no iron pipeline” from US to Mexico. Obama and Hillary devised this plan, or had it devised, by underlings to bring the statistics up to snuff so they could say “TOLD YOU SO!” and begin restricting legal gun sales in the US.


29 posted on 04/28/2012 1:19:23 AM PDT by Safetgiver (The predator class is upset because they are being shot.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Don’t elect corrupt Presidents. That’s the problem. Obama and his minions do not care about the law. No need to change how AGs are picked.


30 posted on 04/28/2012 2:32:10 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama is afraid if he needs to start a fight with Catholics. He's losing the women's vote!!!)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Sounds reasonable to me, we hear of trails of folks acting as pack mules crossing the border, this country in a “SWAG” consumes tons of marijuana a day, that amount is not packed in, it comes in large trucks and ships..that rarely get caught..they have government protection, then the federal “G”

gangsta ...runs the prisons..a full circle of distribution, selling, and incarceration all make money...

It is not Christian to jail folks for marijuana, all other drug use demand treatment, and training for jobs so that life can be productive..much cheaper path and morally superior..


31 posted on 04/28/2012 3:13:04 AM PDT by aces
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To: neverdem

I hope Holder is charged but my sadly perpetually cynical self tells me that the left will scream election year politics and little else will occur except to harden the already hardened battle lines in this country.
The left will say he’s given so much already which is Holders argument and we will say it’s about what he has not turned over (lets not forget witnesses unavailable). Most of the media will focus on the former as is currently the case and little will change.
One last thought. Elevating this to a criminal level too soon only gives Obama a chance to use his pardon powers before he’s shown the door. I have posted 100 times that escalation needs to wait until Obama is gone and thus Holders shield with him. Unless of course the pubbies have no intention of Holder seeing the inside of a cell and are timing this so Obama can pardon him. The old we need to move beyond this mentality that politicians use to cover their behinds.


32 posted on 04/28/2012 3:40:28 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I will believe it when I see it.


33 posted on 04/28/2012 4:31:23 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

And the outcome of bringing the contempt charge will be nothing but a slap on the wrists. Probably something like, “Don’t do that again”.


34 posted on 04/28/2012 4:39:48 AM PDT by Progov
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To: neverdem

Since Holder is not a white man he is not subject to the same standards of ordinary practice and thus must be forgiven for his inability to function in his position. Ordinary decency demands recognition of the fact that affirmative action raised boys do not have the real capabilities to effectively perform the high duties to which they have been tasked. Any one who expects such equality should be ashamed.


35 posted on 04/28/2012 4:47:07 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

———Issa: Time to stop “seeking” and time to “DO IT”.———

I would really like to see the Critical Path Chart on the committee’s wall that lists the various tasks and time lines for carrying out the F&F investigation. It is likely as complex as that for the construction of a major building and involving the action and input of many, many participants.

The manager of the project must have a staffer superintendent who must keep the expediting heat on all those providing input. There are some activity variables with no estimable time line and surety of outcome but all must come together at a planned completion date.

What we are seeing is the unfolding of a carefully crafted campaign to expose and indict the administration for criminal activity. It can not be lightly undertaken and all the steps must be taken in the proper order.

Rep Issa is not making random actions in a catch as catch can fashion. He is not duplicating the Normandy invasion, but he is working his complex plan.


36 posted on 04/28/2012 5:02:09 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: neverdem
We had an article on FR yesterday saying the boehner and Issa are locked in battle. boehner wants nothing to do with this and many in the House are screaming for holder's head.

LLS

37 posted on 04/28/2012 5:19:20 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Pray hard and often!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks neverdem.


38 posted on 04/28/2012 6:07:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Safetgiver

Best explanation I have seen in a long time.


39 posted on 04/28/2012 6:09:56 AM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: neverdem

It seems to me that so many conservatives want to wait and allow the enemy to destroy our country while they wait for justice.
The man obama and his regime of dicatorial monsters are on the move to take over the nation while pubs prattle on.
It is to late for dc to be changed as they are rife with liberal marxists also. A conservative third party for conservative voters only should have been created after the McCain debacle but so many wanted to clean up the cess pool rino GOP and now we have more anarchy than before.
It may be too late to clean up DC.


40 posted on 04/28/2012 6:23:19 AM PDT by kindred (Jesus Christ is the Lord God and Messiah of Israel, a present help in time of trouble.)
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To: DaveyB

Journalism is dead, in the newspeak it is the ministry of information.

Should be the ministry of misinformation.


41 posted on 04/28/2012 6:42:30 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
............he revealed that most in Latin America believe the Mexican war lords are entirely on the US Federal payroll.............

I would find the premise that many top US Federal officials are on the drug cartel's payroll more realistic and believable.

42 posted on 04/28/2012 7:32:52 AM PDT by varon (The Patriots stand watch!)
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To: Progov

I do not believe there will ever be a contempt charge. Maxine waters has been waiting for one for 3 years and it hasn’t happened, and there are no signs that it ever will.

Look what happened to poor Charlie Rangel, He got a 45 second reprimand and ten minutes to cry about getting it.


43 posted on 04/28/2012 7:33:11 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: neverdem

Impeach for treason, remove, prosecute, execute.


44 posted on 04/28/2012 8:37:21 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: wiggen
Hey wiggen how about those Secret Service agents down in Columbia?

The Best of the Best police appear guilty of breaking the law, dereliction of duty, drunkeness on the job, prostitution and cheating on their wives.

Yup, the best of the best.

45 posted on 04/28/2012 9:47:26 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: PghBaldy
"Don’t elect corrupt Presidents."

LOL ! dont worry we wont, Presidents are not elected in the USA, they are chosen by the elite oligharchy.

they are merely two brands of the same product. Anyone remember Iran/contra ? Noriega ? This drug smuggling US government just did a little gunwalking side job for a political sideshow to justify gungrabbing

46 posted on 04/28/2012 11:48:32 AM PDT by KTM rider
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Holder is on the ropes. Time to politically finish him off.

Keep Holder on the ropes. Get all the ducks in a row. There's Operation Castaway in Florida, Dept. of State sales to a Zeta's front in Columbus, New Mexico, etc. Impeach Holder et al. just before the August recess. It's the least they can do for Harry Reid and those 18 senators up for re-election in November.

47 posted on 04/28/2012 2:10:34 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Peter King is weak on the Second Amendment. IIRC, he’s for a law giving the Attorney General the authority to name “suspected terrorists” so they can’t pass NICS’ checks to buy firearms.


48 posted on 04/28/2012 2:26:45 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I’ve heard that two of the Mexican drug lords who received ‘Fast and Furious’ weaponry were actually on the payroll of the FBI. Has this been confirmed?

Do you have a link?

49 posted on 04/28/2012 2:56:55 PM PDT by GOPJ (Obama's father, grandfather and great-grandfather were polygamists.-ALL,including Obama ate dogs!!)
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To: American Constitutionalist
"The Republicans have been all talk and no action, even in their last time in power."

They voted to confirm Holder... 'nough said.

50 posted on 04/28/2012 8:23:22 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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