Skip to comments.Document links Warren to Cherokees (11th hour paperwork?)
Posted on 05/01/2012 7:35:50 AM PDT by libertarian27Edited on 05/01/2012 7:38:26 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
BOSTON (AP) — A genealogist has uncovered evidence that Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren does have Native American heritage as she claims.
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Sure..so do lots of people. My wife’s g-grandmother was we think Iroquois or part Iroquois and a DNA ancestry test confirmed that there were Native American markers in the family DNA. However, that is a long way being an enrolled member of a recognized Indian tribe, being raised in tribal traditions or even having a family memory of tribal customs or traditions. Gee maybe my wife should portray herself as Native American and share in the profits of tribal casinos, get minority scholarships and maybe even a college professorship position teaching Native American Studies.
Everything counts or you wouldn’t be here.
So now is she going to come out singing, “CHEROKEE PEOPLE....CHEROKEE TRIBE....”
Mormons are into geneaology.
plus this is Massachusetts.
I knew it! Romney is helping Elizabeth Warren!
Where are they???
Pre-1960's, intermarriage and assimilation was seen as a necessity to ensure tribal survival.
Post-1960's, rules on minimum blood (usually at least one grandparent) were generally imposed in order to limit tribal membership and ensure greater distribution of "stuff" to those on the team. Smaller teams = more goodies to distribute. Some tribal lines can be combined to claim membership such as the Mandan and Arikara in North Dakota. Most cannot. Thus, if you are 1/8th Cherokee and 1/8th Sioux, your combined 1/4th doesn't count for either tribe.
I’m 100% native American. Honest. I was born in upstate New York!
It’s up to the US Government”
Isn’t it also up to the Tribe? At least to a certain extent? I know plenty of people who have joined later in life and they go to the tribe and present their case, usually in the form of documentation. I sort of thought the Tribe had the last word (of course, their discretion might be defined by the US).
Interesting body of law, for sure.
In any event, I am pretty sure that Warren has not been very involved in Cherokee activities. I doubt if she has ever even set foot in Oklahoma.
15% of the people in Oklahoma claim Indian ancestry/affiliation in the census. That's a lot more than claim membership.
I've never met a reservation Indian who would go back. They're just like everybody else once they get out of that sort of environment.
Br'r(ess) Warren is a hard core member of the 1%, has a doctorate, works at Harvard, etc., etc. If she'd been a Shinancock Indian she'd had to raise ducks for a living and shovel day old bread out of the back of a pickup truck all the time.
See the difference?
During the 1500s Spain established a substantial infrastructure along the Mississippi, the Ohio, the St. Joseph and the Great miami Rivers ~ today almost all of that history is nothing but a jotting in an old family Bible, or a tracing on the ground, or maybe a boundry marker with words.
People are putting it together on the internet in a hundred communities where it is meaningful.
Eventually we'll be opening up the deerhides at Fonda NY and finding out what they say.
There are “genealogists” who can show any paying client to be descended from whomever they want. If I wanted to be a descendant of Mary Queen of Scots, voila, *some* genealogist would draw that line. This particular genealogist’s bona fides bear a look.
Yep, EVERY ONE of your ancestors (all the way back) lived long enough to reproduce. What are the odds against that?
My son is related to you. His grandmother was a Boling, direct decendant. He’s known as CUZ to many in Rev Peyton’s Big Damn Band. Guess he really is your cuz!
Whatever rules the Indians have does not in any way change the way the US government looks at that tribe when it comes to "recognition". They could say (as one band of Cherokee have done) black people can't be Cherokee. The US government set the standard that the black slaves the Cherokee took with them to Oklahoma were also Cherokee. The issue is "recognition" not DNA ~ and then DNA (to a small degree since adoption can fix those deficiencies), and then having an ancestor on the rolls (if there are rolls) ~ with some of the rolls actually being US government rolls!
The Oneida and Canandagua Indians found their lands sold off by the State of New York when the state said 'Hey, white people can't be Indians, and all the Oneida are white people, so they must move off their lands".
The Oneida had long been in the habit of bringing in Europeans to teach and do skilled trades and teach advanced farming techniques ~ and make guns ~ lots of guns ~ so many your eyes would spin in their sockets.
During the British colonial period the Brits didn't interfere with Oneida business. During the Revolution the Oneida were American allies. After the Revolution the Oneida encountered the state of New York which didn't recognize US government treaties.
Complex business all around.
In my neighborhood, having an ancestor at Bunker Hill is nice. But my great grandmother and Dom De Luise’s great grandmother being sisters.... now THAT gets you into the Bocce Club.
My ancestors had to shovel shit.....and they didn’t have a pickup. Where’s my money?
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