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Allen West and the GOP Establishment
Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | May 2, 2012 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 05/02/2012 4:51:03 PM PDT by Kaslin

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RUSH: Carl in Ft. Lauderdale. Carl, I'm glad you held on. Welcome to the program, sir.

CALLER: Rush it's sensational to be on the phone with you. Thank you.

RUSH: You bet, sir.

CALLER: That lady that called before and you were trying to help her out where her Democratic friends keep beating her up, and you were explaining the lack of power having only the House. But I remember so clearly -- and I was so mad and I'm still mad -- right after the 2010 midterms there was one of these requests from Obama for $2.4 trillion in expanded debt. Well, the House and Boehner and those guys put together their own package.

And, just as soon as it was done, and maybe before, Reid says, "I'm not gonna vote on that." And Obama says, "If they do and they pass it, I'm gonna veto it." And instantaneously, immediately, they hustled back into the hole and they come out with a bill exactly as Obama wanted it. Now, I'm in District 22 here in Florida with Allen West. I thought he was gonna be a strong man, but he laid down like the rest of them. I think that's where a lot of disappointment comes from in America, from conservatives. They just lay down.

RUSH: What do you mean Allen West laid down?

CALLER: He backed Boehner.

RUSH: (deep sigh)

CALLER: By the way, can I say hello to my buddy?

RUSH: Yeah, go ahead while I figure out what I'm gonna say to you.

CALLER: Hey, Wayne! I'm on the phone with Rush! (chuckles)

RUSH: (chuckles) Big day. That's a big day.

CALLER: It is.

RUSH: I'm not... I don't remember specifically the spending argument that you described. I'm not denying it. I do know there were a bunch of battles over raising the debt limit, and it was always made to look like the Republicans caved. And I will admit to you: I thought that in each one of those fights the Republicans held the cards and could have dictated to Obama. I always thought that. I thought the same thing that you do. I thought that it was Obama that needed the money. He's the one that wanted to spend. He's the one that needed to spend. We could have held out. What is the debt limit for? What does the word "limit" mean? What good is it if it doesn't exist and you just keep expanding it? Why even have a debt limit?

CALLER: After they passed it, you called it his new slush fund.

RUSH: Well, it was. Everything is a slush fund!

CALLER: Well, why'd they pass it?

RUSH: Now, Allen West...

CALLER: Why'd they do that?

RUSH: See, as a powerful, influential member of the media, I know things that I can't tell because of confidences. But I'll just tell you: I was with Allen West. When was this? It was last... It was around one of these instances, and he was just as depressed as he could be over things he was hearing the leadership say to freshmen and so forth. Basically what it was -- and Democrats do it; Republicans do it. They say to incoming freshmen... Remember, now, we've talked about this. The House leadership was not crazy about these new Tea Party freshmen.

They thought they were nuts. They thought they were kooks. And they bring 'em in, and they say, "Look if you want to have any future here, if you want us to help you with your reelection, you're gonna have to vote with the leadership." And immediately they face a choice. And that's why a number of freshmen stand out. You've got the guy in Illinois. [Joe Walsh] He stands up, and he's independent, and he refuses, and the Tea Party people love him.

But most of them end up, in one instance or another, going along with the leadership. They're under a lot of pressure to do this. And I remember Allen West. He did the best he could. He told me that he and his fellow freshmen did as much as was humanly possible, given what they were up against. They didn't have, within the Republican Caucus, enough of these guys to stop the rest of the Republicans in the House. And then, of course, when you're talking about raising the debt limit, you've got all the pressure that's being brought to bear.

You're talking about all the news about what's gonna happen to our credit rating, all the news of what's gonna happen to the financial markets. And as is the usual case, Carl, everybody's predicting the apocalypse. "If the debt ceiling isn't raised, why, there goes our credit rating! If the debt ceiling isn't raised, why, Social Security checks may not go out!" And guess who's gonna get blamed? The Republicans! The media is blaming them and other Republicans are blaming them. And their hopes of being reelected are dowsed in their first terms if that happens.

That's why I keep saying that it's gonna require a whole lot of elections, and a whole lot of conservatives winning them, to begin turning back the tide here. But whether these concerns were real or not doesn't matter. If the financial markets would not have reacted negatively had there not been that specific increase in the debt limit, it is still being reported. The people are hearing it. So it's a vicious, vicious cycle and battle that takes place. But I don't believe that, on general principles, Allen West has shrunken from duty and responsibility or "laid down," as you say.

But I appreciate the call, Carl.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
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1 posted on 05/02/2012 4:51:07 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Can’t wait to vote for President West! Just sayin’ - and thanks to Rush for explaning why we need more TEA Partiers in to help change the tide and get those good ‘ol boys OUTTA THERE!!!!!


2 posted on 05/02/2012 4:58:06 PM PDT by NordP (Common Sense ConservaTEAves - Love of Country, Less Govt, Stop Spending, No Govt Run Health Care!!!)
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To: NordP

I’d happily vote for Allen West for President, too. And I really appreciate how he’s being up-front in calling commies what they are!


3 posted on 05/02/2012 5:02:44 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: NordP

He would definitely get my vote


4 posted on 05/02/2012 5:06:39 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

the only power the leadership has is threats to ‘not support’ the congressmen at re-election

therefore, the congressmen need to remove that threat

like sheriff joe, they must get their districts behind them so they can fight with integrity

get their people in the districts and canvas... get intentions nailed down and people signed off on the long haul


5 posted on 05/02/2012 5:16:03 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Kaslin

Lt. Colonel Allen West IS the man’s man. I spent two days at the Freeper Dinner weekend in DC on 9/12/09. We had a million people there stretching from the Capital for 2, 3 miles.

Representative West spoke on Friday night, telling the stories of the Spartans and real history. Saturday night, I forget the topic...too much vino and veritas!

If Mittens would pick West as his VP...unbeatable. Remember we voted for the VP!!


6 posted on 05/02/2012 5:31:14 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO! Treason is the Reason! Impeach the Kenyan)
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To: Kaslin

I would be proud to vote for him.

LLS


7 posted on 05/02/2012 5:50:34 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Pray hard and often!)
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To: GRRRRR

Sarah Palin herself couldn’t get me to vote for mitt.

LLS


8 posted on 05/02/2012 5:52:04 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Pray hard and often!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Do you really think this Republic will be better off if Obama gets re-elected than if Mitt wins?


9 posted on 05/02/2012 6:19:41 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: antidemoncrat

I think some on here actually think that.

Fortunately, it’s quite a small group.


10 posted on 05/02/2012 7:23:59 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: antidemoncrat
Do you really think this Republic will be better off if Obama gets re-elected than if Mitt wins?

Even if Mitt wins, which I highly doubt he will, we will still lose.
11 posted on 05/02/2012 7:26:07 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: antidemoncrat
Do you really think that argument holds any truth or validity?

Unless someone with at least a small amount of Conservative ideology within them is elected as president... then no... I do not think that much will happen to stop the march of this Republic into communism. It isn't that mitt isn't a pure Conservative or that he does not meet some litmus test... the man has not one scintilla of Conservative belief within him... he is a proved liar and has been all of his miserable and progressive life. mitt, combined with mcconnell and boehner... disaster pal... pure European socialism with no Congress to step into the fray. Just look at the republican spending under Bush. GW was a Conservative compared to mitt... mitt makes W look like Reagan. I will not vote for that baby killing, gun grabbing, big socialist liar... savvy?

LLS

12 posted on 05/03/2012 4:33:11 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Pray hard and often!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

To not vote for Romney is to vote for Obama. I don’t much like him either but I think he can be forced to be a conservative and Obama if he wins re-election will finish the transformation of this Republic into a Marxist State.


13 posted on 05/03/2012 2:25:42 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: af_vet_rr

If Obama wins this Republic will become a Marxist Welfare State. Go figure.


14 posted on 05/03/2012 2:28:32 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: af_vet_rr

If Obama wins this Republic will become a Marxist Welfare State. Go figure.


15 posted on 05/03/2012 2:28:58 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: D-fendr

That’s what scares me. McCain might be a Rino, but a Rino in the White House would be better than a Marxist.


16 posted on 05/03/2012 2:31:14 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: antidemoncrat
If Obama wins this Republic will become a Marxist Welfare State. Go figure.

It's adorable that you think Romney can win, but you know what? Go support Romney, tell the GOP-e that you are just fine with voting for their socialist wannabe candidate because they told you to. Extend that streak of the GOP pushing liberal candidates for President that goes back to 1988. You have the right to let yourself be cajoled into voting who the GOP-e wants you to vote for, and I support your right to be told by others how to vote.

After all, thinking for oneself and sticking to Conservative principles is hard work. It's much easier to just bend over and grab your angles for the GOP-e and let them tell you what to do.
17 posted on 05/03/2012 2:54:57 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: antidemoncrat
That’s what scares me. McCain might be a Rino, but a Rino in the White House would be better than a Marxist.

The GOP-e has been telling us for 24 years that a RINO is better than a liberal.

You know what RINOs in the White House give us?

In 1988, a RINO gave us more government and more taxes, and then lost to Democrat.

In 2000 and 2004, a RINO in the White House gave us the biggest, most powerful, most expensive, and most intrusive government in the history of this nation, at least until Obama came along. Speaking of Obama, that RINO then helped turn the White House over to Obama thanks to the GOP-e running another RINO by the name of McCain.

The last two decades have proven that your theories that a RINO is somehow better are completely wrong. RINOs give us a larger and more expensive government. Mitt Romney, even if he could somehow beat Obama, will be no different. One need only look at his record to see that.
18 posted on 05/03/2012 3:00:21 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: antidemoncrat
A vote for someone else other than romney is a vote for someone other than romney. It is not and can never be construed as a vote for that pos marxist. A vote for romney is a vote for a lying, big government, gun grabbing, amnesty promising, baby killing fan of gay marriage. Vote for him if you must... but stop pushing the mitt romney talking points.

LLS

19 posted on 05/03/2012 3:55:48 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Pray hard and often!)
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To: af_vet_rr

“RINOs give us a larger and more expensive government. “
You mean larger and more expensive Gov created by LBJ, Carter, Clinton and more expensive than Obamacare and its 16,000 new IRS agents that will enforce it? I think our primary job now is to get Romney elected and our second job will be to hold his feet to the fire if he starts to swing left.


20 posted on 05/03/2012 7:05:48 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: LibLieSlayer

Clarification:I may not have amde myself clear. I believe that many Conservatives didn’t vote for McCain because he is a RINO. The result was Obama won and look where we are. If Conservatives refuse to vote for Romney and Obama wins again, we all lose. I really don’t like Romney all that much and I really would have preferred Allen West or Paul Ryan or Chris Christie to run but we look to be stuck with Romney. The question we need to asked ourselves is will our Republic be better off with a RINO or a Marxist in the White House?


21 posted on 05/03/2012 7:18:53 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: af_vet_rr

OK, I understand Conservatives, including myself, are unhappy with Romney. But I fail to understand from your reply what our alternatives are. As I seem them they are:
1. Vote for Romney
2. Vote for Obama
3. Write in a candidate’s name
4. Don’t vote in protest.
What can you add to this list?


22 posted on 05/03/2012 7:26:06 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: antidemoncrat
The question we need to asked ourselves is will our Republic be better off with a RINO or a Marxist in the White House?

Neither. If you support a RINO now, regardless of whether he wins or not, you'll get the GOP-e nominating another RINO in 2016. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy in a way - the GOP-e conning you into voting for a RINO leads the GOP-e into thinking it's okay to keep pushing RINOs, which they will continue to do.

Look at the last quarter century.

They give us RINO George H.W. Bush. He loses in '92 after pissing off Conservatives. What do they do in '96? Give us Bob Dole, just as liberal, maybe more. 2000? George W. Bush. 2008? John McCain. 2012? Mitt Romney.

Do you see a trend yet? 5 RINOs in a row. Until we stop supporting them and until they get it through their thick heads they cannot win without us, they will continue giving us RINOs.

And it's especially pathetic that they are giving us an even more liberal RINO than McCain. Think about how insane that is - they couldn't win with McCain, so they give us the most liberal anti-gun, pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage candidate that they could find who still had an (R) next to his name.
23 posted on 05/03/2012 10:14:22 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

So what are you suggesting? Just not to vote?


24 posted on 05/04/2012 5:00:58 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: antidemoncrat
So what are you suggesting? Just not to vote?

Show up and vote, pick the most conservative candidate in each race. If it's a Republican, fine, if it's an independent fine. Showing up and not voting is the worst thing you can do.

Look the establishment gave us RINO McCain. He got his butt kicked by Obama, so their response was to find somebody even more liberal - somebody who actively supported abortion and gun control and gay marriage as governor.

If you don't take that as them spitting in your face, then I don't know what to say, because I promise you this: Trying to beat Obama with somebody way more liberal than McCain is not a winning strategy and it's sad that you've bought into this.

And if you think that if we can just get this election out of the way and things will be fine in 2016, you're sadly mistaken my friend, because the Republican establishment has had a firm hold on the nomination process since 1988, and since 1988 they have delivered candidates who are steadily more and more leftist, culminating in the pro-abortion, pro-gun control, pro-gay marriage Romney.

Either we put a stop to blindly supporting whoever they help get nominated and they get it through their skulls that they cannot win without us, or they will continue feeding us more and more liberal candidates. The candidate we get in 2016 or 2020 is liable to make Bill Clinton look like a Conservative.

And don't forget - Texas is already a minority-majority state, and Hispanics will soon pass up whites, and top that off with the millions of liberals who have moved in from New England, California, and Florida, and the GOP will find itself without Texas' electoral votes by 2020. Based on what we have seen since 1988, I'm afraid the GOP will decide that it has to find somebody even more to the left of Romney.

Here in 2012, we cannot afford to support somebody like Romney just because he's taking us down the road to socialism a little slower than Obama, because we are almost at the end of that road.
25 posted on 05/04/2012 7:15:27 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

I agree with all you say. The point I was trying to make was we will be better off with a RINO than a dictator. I really don’t like Romney but I like Obama a whole lot less.


26 posted on 05/05/2012 3:03:51 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: antidemoncrat
I agree with all you say. The point I was trying to make was we will be better off with a RINO than a dictator. I really don’t like Romney but I like Obama a whole lot less.

We will not be better with a RINO, because as long as we keep voting for RINOs, we are going to keep moving on down that road to socialism.

That's what they are counting on - people like you bending to their will and doing what they want. The moment people like you wake up, and walk away and let them know you will only vote for Conservatives, is the moment at which the RINOs start to lose their power.

Until that day arrives, you are supporting socialism and you are helping us move down that road every time you vote for a liberal with an (R) next to their name.
27 posted on 05/05/2012 6:35:56 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

You seem to have an understanding of the problem, but no solutions. What are you suggesting people do during the next election? It’s either vote for a RINO or vote for a presumed emperor. I’ll say it one more time. Not voting for the Romney is the same as voting for Obama.


28 posted on 05/06/2012 7:17:38 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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