Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
I see that. I just saw his response to you right after a reply to me and saw the four letters being used. There is no reason to be threatening anyone at this time with that when people are on edge right now.
Personally I've been living that for over thirty years and it HAS made a difference! When I started you couldn't even say the word republican in most corners of Texas and now you cannot get elected to anything as a Democrap here!
NOW we work on weeding out the RINOS and are making great progress there as well!
Is there more work to do? Hell yes and lots of it but cutting and running isn't going to accomplish ANYTHING!
To refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils puts one in the position of support for the greater of the same two evils by the simple act of not standing in the way of the greater evils eventually triumph.
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No to vote for the ‘lesser’ of two evils is still to vote for EVIL. I am standing in the way of evil triumphing on ANY level.
But go ahead, compromise, vote for evil and pat yourself on the back. You only have yourself to blame.
Too little and too late IMO.
After demonizing every poster that expressed even the most tepid support for anyone besides the preferred candidate of FR, whatever candidate of that day that might have been, many of us have voted with our keyboards and have given up on FR.
I certainly have.
This is the first post I have made in months. It is likely to be one of my last.
And as far as financial supporting FR; Why would I give money to a site that would ban me without appeal on the whim of some unknown moderator all for not toeing the “approved” line ?
“...the established GOP has a lock on the rule book ...”
But - I guess I don’t understand how this works - how do/did they become “the established GOP” in the first place???
Seems to me that’s who needs replacement/overhaul...they’ve got names, they’ve got faces, and they’re elected?? Nominated?? Appointed??
Third party just gives us Democommie control for eternity...
The definitive 2012 Republican bumper sticker.
There is no reason to be threatening anyone at this time with that when people are on edge right now.
People are indeed on edge. And other people are ecstatic about it. See post 549. Why do you suppose EC brought you into the mix there are TBL? Do you post there also?
Then you might as well vote for him in the primary as well.
Id say go to the next level down, then. Or - better yet -try to replace the They that said No Thanks.
Or run for the GOP nomination for the original office anyway, opposing "Their" candidate. At a minimum, you'll expose some RINOs.
I for one will not ride the "maybe Palin will run" train again. Either she does or she doesn't..and I get no indication she has the Presidency in mind at all. In fact who is to say the GOP isn't just setting us up with this propaganda news, especially since she's made it clear she wouldn't run for family....she'll still have her family then.
Check the little ‘to #XXX’ thingy at the bottom of a post, and just keep clicking on them until you find the one that explains your question.
It shouldn't take more than 30 sec., even in a long thread like this one.
“I approached our state GOP party about running”
Good luck with that!!! In my opinion, you can not expect the State powers that be to do much to help you at all until you are polling as the winner. In some cases, I think it is a “follower” instead of leader mentality -— they don’t want to be on a losing side no matter what.
This is especially true if you are challenging an incumbent (R). Before anyone steps in to correct me, I KNOW that the State party can’t take sides in a Primary election. But, it has been my experience that they could be quite a bit more helpful in day to day matters -— like updating their State Candidate site by posting the campaign website, FaceBook, Twitter, etc. without multiple emails, phone calls, and weeks delay.
In the various Candidate Schools I took at the Leadership Institute, American Majority, and the Republican Party of Texas to name a few, it appears that it may be more common for the State Party to recruit or approach the Candidate THEY want for the position rather than accepting and working with someone who actually decides to run on their own initiative.
If you have a fire in your belly to run and serve -— DO IT!!! Everyone says we need leaders and fighters in the Republican Party, but I think in some ways we actually scare them.
But we will NEVER WIN against the liberals, progressives, socialists, communists, Marxists, stateists, and their ilk unless we have a Patriot’s heart, a Warrior’s determination, and a willingness to leave it all on the battlefield for our Constitution and We the People.
Good luck in your race!!!
I will not vote for Obama or Romney.
Bill 0'Reilly is famous for that kind of convoluted logic.
"Just because 0bama's policies are socialist doesn't mean he's a socialist." - Bill 0'Reilly
I totally agree. I think Jim misses a big point. Obama doesn’t own this country. Only God can decide who wins and who owns what. I am very willing to leave it up to Him. As long as our values are with His, we will do all right. And don’t forget the way God brough Paul of Tarsus around to His way of thinking. He can work with anyone who is willing to give himself to God. America is dedicated to God. We cannot give that up to the infidels.
Are you kidding? Mitt just delivered a lesson to those conservatives that he has no qualms about using his money to destroy them. Under a President Romney, the GOP-E would do the same to any Tea Party challenger of RINOs.
And Mourdock is running in an election year with a Dem president. Big difference.
I don’t think you should be sanctioned for being a Romney supporter, at least not during your temporal life here on earth.
link me please if you get a response
Thank you, Jim, for all you continue to do and for keeping this haven alive.
A wider electorate? Hippies and OWS protestors are that influential? Didnt know that.
They may not be "influential," but they do vote.
You think Paul is the best candidate we have? Please educate us on why you think that? Does his pro-dope and pro-prostitution values appeal to your liberal nature?
I explicitly stated that my candidate is and was Palin. I do believe that if we want to stop Romney, Paul is the best we've got at the moment.
I also know that the primary objection to Libertarianism is its basis in atheism. Since Dr. Paul is NOT an atheist, he is not a "true Libertarian," but holds with some of their views.
If being open-minded, willing to look at the facts myself and not be swayed by what "they" say, knowing that the Declaration and Constitution are grossly misunderstood today, then perhaps I am a "liberal." However, I've considered myself a Conservative since the early 1960's when I first attended a Christian Anti-Communist Crusade meeting to hear Dr. Fred Schwarz. I read and digested Chamber's Witness at the age of 14. Truly, I am a conservative.
You seem to be hung up on your misinformed ideas about the 10th amendment. Does that mean - like RoPaul (sic) - you support abortion as a states rights issue?
Like Ron Paul, I know that the 10th amendment states the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. I fail to see how I am misinformed. I hate, loathe and abominate even the concept of abortion.
Are you a truther like Paul?
I do have questions about where BO was born, why his birth certificate and other documents are not available. If that makes me a "birther," then so be it.
Do you also hate the military and want queers to openly serve.
I love the military, and so does Ron Paul. I pray for homosexuals, that they may find peace with God. I do not believe they should serve in the military at all.
9/11 was an inside job, huh?
I do not believe 9/ll was an inside job. Did Ron Paul state that he did, unequivocally?
You like government pork? Paul sure does.
Please specify the projects Dr. Paul voted for and give his explanations for so doing. Ron Paul is undoubtedly the most fiscally conservative Congressman to serve for the last 20 years.
Let me guess... Youre a bigot too.
No, let me guess. Your use of such obvious attacks proves that you're an Alinskyite.
Look my liberal FRiend, I could go on and on all day knocking down the irrational reasons why you support Paul.
To repeat, I may be a liberal, but I'm not a socialist or communist or even a supporter of BO or Romney. I didn't know we were friends, do you treat all those you care about like this? What, precisely, have you "knocked down" -- all those straw men you've thrown up? I've not been irrational in anything I've written. Such a shame, I can't say the same about you.
But may I remind you that this is a conservative forum and for you to come here with you support for liberal trash is zot-worthy?
I've been coming to FR since 1998. My register date is April 11, 1999. I probably know more about the site than you do. And I really don't think Jim would zot me for expressing my honest views and asking rational questions. Why do you?
...also those who were hiding behind another candidate in order to maintain their status on FR. When in fact they secretly were and are hoping for a Romney win.
Sure you have a choice, the same one I will be making - write in Chuck Norris or leave the POTUS/VPOTUS slot blank on your ballot.
There is no way in Hell, Heaven, or Earth that I will vote for either of the nominees. Except for complexion, I see no difference between them and the ideas that these people hold dear are anathema to me. I have no representation any more above the congressional level.
What shouldn’t happen again,why Jim Rob did the right thing here today,is we divide ourselves and thus marginalize ourselves. United we have strength,divided we’re reduced to background noise.
Dude - I have put my wallet where my mouth is. You can easily check on that.
I dislike attacks on people I consider friends and attacks on my personal integrity.
I don’t expect an apology - that won’t happen - but my posting history in both places is totally open. I don’t hide or change my name, though I am not disrespecting those who do.
Find ONE denigrating post about FR and I will bump in $50 to the current Thon.
Not changed names. It is the same person on the same account. The email is even the same. The posting format is the same. Sorry I can’t provide you with a graphology sample, but I use a keyboard.
You attacked a poster who I respect. I do not agree with him - his candidate sucks - but he always made his case clearly and honestly and stood by his guy no matter what.
The flag of FR, so I understand, is the don’t tread on me. That works both ways.
Stop trying to tell me what to think. Had enough of that crap in the army. I grew out of it.
(blushing) Thank you. I do pride myself on being amazing.
To repeat, I may be a liberal...
There really is anything more to say, huh?
The change, getting back to the constitution, has to be done “consitutionally”. That is what I meant by that sentence.
I have no intention of “changing the constitution” I want the changes we must make to the current sorry state of affairs, which have strayed from the constitution, to be carried out constitutionally.
Hope that clarifies it for you.
Please enlighten me on this nonsense you are spinning. TBL comes up as tablespoon or the ticker symbol for Timberland when I google it so I don;t know what the hell you are talking about. EC and I have communicated on Santorum threads enough to know that he is a good guy. That is why I am stepping up for this dude. He isn't some sort of troll.
Well said, and agreed.
Thanks Lazlo - you prove the old truism that your best friend is your enemy!
I’d wave the Newt flag, but yeah, that is a bit tattered now ....
You attacked a poster who I respect.
Back up there - my little TBL friend.
I didn’t attack Lazlo. It was mscs or whatever her screen name is.
Not sure why you and Lazlo both got off with wrong replies, but that happens when you troll two forums at once.
One thing I’d like to see on FR, as we look to 2016, is a general consensus on the ONE candidate FR is maybe officially supporting.
Not to ban supporters of any other candidates, but, as a site, to support one.
The problem as I see it, in the past two primary seasons at least, is that the conservatives have been split over several (flawed, human) candidates and even potential candidates - and the moderate emerges as a winner.
If we don’t generally coalesce around ONE candidate early on, we will repeat ourselves. Let’s learn from history rather than repeat it.
Are you talking to me?
I was wasn’t talking you to you.
Or maybe you have a link to where I misquoted you.
See (so far) posts 72, 81, 150, 405, and 523.
“guess I could vote for Ron Paul-he looks better when hes compared to O and R.......”
Paul didn’t laud Bradley Manning as a patriot. At least Romney is a serious American.
Amen to your posr, MHG, and well said.
I was wasnt talking you to you.
Yeesh! Should read...
I sure wasn’t talking to you.
That aspect will be clearly in play as well. Noticing on threads those who are supportive of that element, and that agenda ,though oftentimes discretely so or surrounding their post with other flavorable wordage, as is the custom, yet it does bleed thru.
Romney winning will definately enhance that nationwide...no two ways about it...and we can expect a host of propaganda about it flooding the inter net and the airways. They are prepared to do so.
It’s another front on this war, fought behind the scenes for the most part....should he win it will come front and center for them...and we’ll be certain to see that as so.
“...I will not vote for Obama or Romney...”
I’m not telling you how to vote or who to vote for, friend. Wouldn’t presume to do so, and it’s kind of not anyone’s place to do so to other people.
I’m just looking for ways to start replacing “the establishment GOP” that keep giving us the lesse ro ftwo evils choice, and trying to understand how to do it.
Seems to me this is the place to figure it out. Lot of good solid minds out here.
I agree, excepting that I'll continue to argue against people who believe Romney is acceptable. I will not be forced onto a cattle car by anyone. RomneyCare is the pure assumption of all power to the state from the individual. I will not bow down.
Otherwise, I'm all on board the Conservative Tea Party wagon!
And exposing RINOs is the first step in replacing RINOs...
Nothing false about it! In the end you will have either Romney or Obozo! That is a FACT and YOU know it!
I understand 'the lesser of two evils' inclination. Some of you can do that. I can't.
To me, the Presidential Race comes down to the relative light reflectivity of your jailer / executioner.
I understand 'the lesser of two evils' inclination. Some of you can do that. I can't.
To me, the Presidential Race comes down to the relative light reflectivity of your jailer / executioner.
RomneyCare is too much for me to stomach, ever.
“. I will vote for Romney to get rid of Obama,”
Exactly, I view my vote for Romney as a vote against Obama.
In the primary I intend to vote Virgil Goode. I’d truly prefer him as president as much as I know about him.