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NEW Man dead after shooting in Walla Walla
union-bulletin.com ^ | 4 May, 2012 | ALFRED DIAZ

Posted on 05/06/2012 5:58:49 AM PDT by marktwain

WALLA WALLA -- The Walla Walla County Sheriff's Office is investigating a shooting death early this morning at the New York Store, 2254 Isaacs Ave.

Deputies were dispatched to the store at 2:30 a.m. on a report of breaking and entering with a shooting.

When deputies arrived, they found Cesar H. Chavira, 22, on the opposite side of Isaacs Avenue on the ground with a number gunshot wounds.

Chavira was declared dead at Providence St. Medical Center at 3:24 a.m.

According to Walla Walla County Undersheriff Edward Freyer, the preliminary investigation indicates Chavira was shot a number of times with a shotgun by the store's owner, who Freyer declined to identify.

The New York Store is owned by longtime area businessman John T. Saul.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; home; wa
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1 posted on 05/06/2012 5:59:02 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
A number of times with a shotgun?

Something's wrong there.

2 posted on 05/06/2012 6:03:54 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: marktwain

One thing is sure. Mr. Chavira will not be testifying at the trial.


3 posted on 05/06/2012 6:07:59 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: knarf

You can get five rounds into a pump. A shotgun lets you bleed to death slow. Sweet.


4 posted on 05/06/2012 6:08:39 AM PDT by shelterguy
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To: marktwain

5 posted on 05/06/2012 6:10:33 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Like Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin has become simply a stick with which to beat Whites.)
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To: shelterguy
"You can get five rounds into a pump. A shotgun lets you bleed to death slow. Sweet."

Yep I agree. I love a DRT story in the morning.
DRT=Dead Right There. It can only be a DRT story if it's the bad guy DEAD. . . . .

6 posted on 05/06/2012 6:12:47 AM PDT by DeaconRed (My vote in November will be dictated by my hatred for ZERO and what he is doing to our country.)
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To: marktwain

I’m sure you meant the title to be “NW” Man, not “New Man”... At first I thought the article was about a trannie getting shot!


7 posted on 05/06/2012 6:20:48 AM PDT by JDoutrider (Impeach! Incarcerate! Deport!)
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To: JDoutrider
I’m sure you meant the title to be “NW” Man, not “New Man”... At first I thought the article was about a trannie getting shot!

Which would have been the perfect opening for an old joke about the area::: "I bet she could say Walla Walla but for damn sure she couldn't say Spokane!

Eh!

8 posted on 05/06/2012 6:26:03 AM PDT by JDoutrider (Impeach! Incarcerate! Deport!)
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To: shelterguy
You can get five rounds into a pump.

You can get five rounds into a semi.

9 posted on 05/06/2012 6:33:49 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: shelterguy
then again there's the M&P...

10 posted on 05/06/2012 6:38:41 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Voter#537

It’s always nice when the perp has time to reflect on the circumstances that led to the situation he is experiencing just before the lights go out.


11 posted on 05/06/2012 6:51:10 AM PDT by heshtesh (I believe in Sarah Palin, the rest not so much.)
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To: shelterguy

Or you could go for the Beretta Extrema 2 auto-loading shotgun. Can fire 12 rounds in less than two seconds!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2mFcsa7mw


12 posted on 05/06/2012 6:59:40 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: marktwain

voilà voilà


13 posted on 05/06/2012 7:00:31 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: shelterguy
You can get five rounds into a pump. A shotgun lets you bleed to death slow. Sweet.,p>In my youth - before I finally put NY in my rearview mirror - hunters had to put plugs in the shotguns so they could only hold 3 rounds. I hpe they don't screw the guy on a "technicality".
14 posted on 05/06/2012 7:06:32 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: marktwain

So Cesar Chavira was shot in Walla Walla by a shotgun shotgun. Got him right in the kumquats.


15 posted on 05/06/2012 7:12:16 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: marktwain

The new man is dead. Long live the new man!


16 posted on 05/06/2012 7:25:09 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: trebb

Yup, you have to plug em here, too. But if I had one under the counter for a theft reduction device I prolly wouldn’t care.


17 posted on 05/06/2012 7:26:29 AM PDT by shelterguy
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To: trebb
In my youth - before I finally put NY in my rearview mirror - hunters had to put plugs in the shotguns so they could only hold 3 rounds.

I left NY in 1977, but at that time the plug and three round limit was only required for migratory birds. Five (or more?) round magazines were fine for pheasants, rabbits...and feral humans.

18 posted on 05/06/2012 7:39:33 AM PDT by cayuga (The next Crusade will be a war of annihilation.)
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To: knarf
A number of times with a shotgun?

Somebody is marketing a .410 pump for home defense use. That could easily require a number of shots to stop a determined dirtbag.

19 posted on 05/06/2012 7:47:15 AM PDT by cayuga (The next Crusade will be a war of annihilation.)
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To: trebb
I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV, but my understanding is that IF you are hunting, you have to plug it to only three rounds. If the gun is at your house or you are not hunting, you can remove the plug.

This law most likely varies by state, so check your local ordinances.

I say: I'd rather be tried by twelve than carried by six.

20 posted on 05/06/2012 7:52:37 AM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Beat me to the punch...I thought Jerry Seinfeld would be
happy to see the headline.

Nevertheless it is still sad when someone dies for doing
something so petty. I’m not sure capital punishment is
appropriate for stealing but nowadays the perp will kill
you just so they can steal something. And who knows what
happened before these events...maybe it was extortion, or
loan sharking, or sometin’ else. The whole affair needs
a thorough investigation.


21 posted on 05/06/2012 8:32:56 AM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Beat me to the punch...I thought Jerry Seinfeld would be
happy to see the headline.

Nevertheless it is still sad when someone dies for doing
something so petty. I’m not sure capital punishment is
appropriate for stealing but nowadays the perp will kill
you just so they can steal something. And who knows what
happened before these events...maybe it was extortion, or
loan sharking, or sometin’ else. The whole affair needs
a thorough investigation.


22 posted on 05/06/2012 8:33:17 AM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: JDoutrider
I’m sure you meant the title to be “NW” Man, not “New Man”... At first I thought the article was about a trannie getting shot!

It was in the original title, probably to indicate an update. We are not allowed to change titles on FR. It is a sensible rule.

23 posted on 05/06/2012 8:46:34 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Remove the plug from a Remington 1100...

5 round, semi-auto shotgun, with 24” home defense barrel, is a wonderful thing.


24 posted on 05/06/2012 8:49:28 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: G Larry

“Remove the plug from a Remington 1100...” - then add a Choate magazine extension and have a 10 round autoloading shottie.

PS add a pistol grip stock for easier and faster control.


25 posted on 05/06/2012 9:30:21 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: shelterguy

“A shotgun lets you bleed to death slow.”

Not at all correct. The advantage of a shotgun is the production of multiple wound channels. For that reason, #1 buckshot is recommended over 00 or (my old favorite) 000 buckshot).

There was a reason White Hunter going into thornbuch areas after wounded leopards preferred a double barreled shottie, with two triggers. Both barrels were fired when Mr. Cat jumped out of concealment. The White Hunter chose 00 buckshot because of a greater need for penetration than is needed for gun fights with unarmored humans.

Shotties cause quicker incapacitation from blood loss and tissue damage than rifles and handguns.


26 posted on 05/06/2012 9:37:13 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: GladesGuru

It depends on the distance. If you get a straight shot up close and personal the head comes off. If you get him running away you might put a bunch of small holes in him and it will be a slow thing.


27 posted on 05/06/2012 10:08:46 AM PDT by shelterguy
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To: marktwain
It is a sensible rule.

Indeed it is...

28 posted on 05/06/2012 10:36:49 AM PDT by JDoutrider (Impeach! Incarcerate! Deport!)
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To: cayuga

“That could easily require a number of shots to stop a determined dirtbag.”

With buck shot it is a common arm for deer hunting in Illinois and Ohio. Many people are quite successful with it.


29 posted on 05/07/2012 8:13:40 AM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: buffaloguy
With buck shot it is a common arm for deer hunting in Illinois and Ohio.

I never knew that a .410 could be a good deer gun. I learned something new today. Thank you.

I'm not a deer hunter, but the ones I know here in Alabama seem to favor 12 ga. 3" Max Loads. The only buckshot I have are tactical loads for my 590.

30 posted on 05/08/2012 1:08:40 PM PDT by cayuga (The next Crusade will be a war of annihilation.)
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To: cayuga

A .410 has the same hitting power per pellet as a 12 gauge, just less shot, otherwise they would be useless.

a .410 is a very useful shotgun, frequently carried by older guys to cut down on weight and recoil. They do very well with it to the point that there are .410 skeet leagues.

It is a good gun. Seriously good.


31 posted on 05/09/2012 6:13:41 AM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: buffaloguy

One of the advantages of the .410 is that you can buy your first single shot deer gun (in .410) at Walmart for about $85.00. Not a bad investment for venison. Gets the kids shooting and those who can’t afford a Remington 700.


32 posted on 05/09/2012 6:16:52 AM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: buffaloguy

My first shotgun at age 12 back in the day was a Sears J.C. Higgins 410 bolt action with a clip. Later I gave it to my little brother and bought a tube fed Stevens 410. If I remember correctly I paid $35 in 1954.

I now shoot a Remington 870 410 pump. All my friends shoot 16 and 12 gauge. Pheasants are not so full of BB’s with a 410.

Of course they all tease me for shooting a girlie gun. Pheasant under glass at my house is delectable. (no BB’s)


33 posted on 05/09/2012 6:42:33 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Utah Binger

Well. that tears it. I have a long barreled .45-70 that supposedly makes a good shotgun when loaded without a shot cup. I am going to load up some rounds and then go bird hunting.

It functions as a good 48 gauge shotgun from what I am told.
.410 is 64 gauge.


34 posted on 05/09/2012 7:26:54 AM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: marktwain

Walla Walla Bang Bang!


35 posted on 05/09/2012 7:29:10 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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