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Contempt For Holder? Not a Wise Move(barf alert)
finance.townhall.com ^ | 6 May, 2012 | Jeff Carter

Posted on 05/06/2012 7:08:50 AM PDT by marktwain

Republicans actually have a nice story to tell. The economy sucks. Anyone with a brain knows it is being floated with money printed by the Federal Reserve. The world economy sucks. Europe is going to go into a deep slow down. Italy, Spain, Greece and France will go off the cliff.

The economies of Britain and Germany will be on a hamster wheel. All their production and growth will go into a state of “just staying even”. They will be like traders that have a bad position, losing you money each day, but your day trading keeps you afloat.

It is painfully obvious to the casual observer that the attorney general Obama selected, Eric Holder, is nothing more than a political hack with some extreme biases. Fast and Furious is a horrible way to try and get back door gun legislation. Sort of a “by any means necessary”, version of politics.

But, instead of using him as a punching bag to defeat Obama, they may make him a martyr for the left to rally around. Holder definitely lied. But unlike the 1970's when the press helped House and Senate Democrats go after the Nixon administration, the mainstream press today will support Holder.

It is highly doubtful that there will be a Deep Throat in the Obama administration. Political machines don’t work that way. They sniff out potential Deep Throats and turn them into chumbalones. Textbook example, Rod Blagojevich. You need to be well versed in the ways of Chicago politics to understand how the White House works.

Theoretically, the House Republicans are correct. Holder ought to be held in contempt. It’s the politics and how it spins where they are over reaching.

Tom Delay screwed up back in the Clinton administration when he shut the government down, and they will be screwing up today because Holder and his followers will charge racism, and hold this instance up as some sort of lynching-which it’s not.

While now is the time to press your bets at the political casino, this isn’t the table that you should be doing it at.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; obama
In other words, the Democrats control the MSM, so give up. Nonsense. The right has not had as much alternate media to work with since 1960. Trust in the MSM has fallen tremendously.

If we cannot save the Republic now, when will we be stronger?

1 posted on 05/06/2012 7:08:54 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

This is why this guy is in the press profession, and not the political profession.


2 posted on 05/06/2012 7:13:41 AM PDT by Lazamataz (To the wall, street occupiers!!!!!)
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To: marktwain
The Legislative and Judicial branches of the US government must NEVER exercise their obligation to check-and-balance the Executive branch while a white-African pResident is in office.

That would be so racist.

3 posted on 05/06/2012 7:17:03 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a sarcasm tag? Seriously? You're that dense?)
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To: marktwain

We need to go ahead with contempt charges, but I do question they’re teeth.


4 posted on 05/06/2012 7:27:05 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: umgud
Contempt is not good enough.

Scooter is still doin time, for not having 100% total accurate memory recall, on a bogus charge the persecutor knew was bogus.

Water board Ricky, then Racky!

5 posted on 05/06/2012 7:46:10 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: marktwain

Weak-kneed author Jeff Carter... any relation to Jimmy?


6 posted on 05/06/2012 7:49:37 AM PDT by Third Person
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To: marktwain

Weak-kneed author Jeff Carter... any relation to Jimmy?


7 posted on 05/06/2012 7:49:37 AM PDT by Third Person
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To: Third Person

Sorry for x2 post.


8 posted on 05/06/2012 7:50:33 AM PDT by Third Person
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To: marktwain

Carter misses the most important detail in the entire strategy: the Mexican perspective.

Tens of millions of Mexicans ***and their family members in the USA*** are livid about the US Government supplying the cartels with high powered weaponry that has killed thousands of innocents.

Mexicans knew about this more than a year ago and they cannot believe that Americans seem to ignore it.

Most conservatives think of Mexicans as poor and ready to break laws to get over the border. That is not accurate. Mexico has 120 million people. 70 million are indigent similar to our Native Americans; 25 million are middle class and 25 million are upper middle class to rich.

Although Mexico has problems on many levels there is no denying the fact that 30 million or more can travel legally back and forth on visa to the USA because of their social status.

The tens of millions of Mexican legal residents of the USA are nearly always related to the class of Mexicans that are free to travel back and forth.

The anger and shock of Fast and Furious literally comes over the border to affect millions of legal US citizens who are of Mexican descent.

The result is the typical Mexican-American who can legally vote will be tempted to not vote for Obama or to stay home all together.

That said, the democrats are masters of spin and we can bet they are crafting a spin now in response to a contempt action.

What would that spin be?

It won’t be racism, that won’t fly with Mexican-American voters.

Will it be Bush’s fault? Probably yes. This provides cover to Mexican-American voters to vote Obama.

So Issa and the other republicans better make sure the Stupid Party gets smart about what’s coming. They better be ready to counter the ‘Bush’s Fault’ spin. But of course they won’t because they believe the contempt action will succeed on the merits. This is why they are called the Stupid Party.

What should the Stupid Party do?

They should initiate discussion in the media at every chance they get to talk about Bush’s role in Fast & Furious. They need to get out in front of it and bury that angle of attack.


9 posted on 05/06/2012 7:59:04 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: marktwain

I don’t have any problem with this move.

Holder is indeed contemptible.


10 posted on 05/06/2012 8:05:14 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

Psalm 15: 1 & 4a:

1 LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?

4a In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the LORD.


11 posted on 05/06/2012 8:09:12 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Hostage
“Bush’s role in Fast & Furious.”

President Bush had no role in FF. Zero/none, it started with Zero in 2009.

12 posted on 05/06/2012 8:12:26 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: marktwain

I say it’s time the people of this nation start demanding equal accountability for all politicians of all races.

The times of worrying about racial backlash for holding a black politician accountable for wrong doing are over.


13 posted on 05/06/2012 8:41:23 AM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Freedom is what's fair.)
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To: marktwain
Now this...

http://www.westernjournalism.com/speaker-boehner-protects-eric-holder-from-contempt-of-congress-citationagain/

14 posted on 05/06/2012 8:50:28 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (criminals)
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To: marktwain

“Contempt for Holder, that’s contempt for black men everywhere This is racists!!!”

Just waiting for the race pimps on the left to start spewing non sequiturs and the usual lazy, excuse-laden drivel


15 posted on 05/06/2012 8:55:18 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: Beagle8U

> “President Bush had no role in FF. Zero/none, it started with Zero in 2009.”

I know that, you know that.

But you missed the point.

The point is that the public will be led to believe by the MSM that gun running started with Bush. The MSM may even drum up Iran-Contra.

I personally believe that Obama will win reelection and face a Republican Senate and House that may just start impeachment proceedings against him because I believe he has tried to cover up the evidence of F&F. I believe this is why Holder is not releasing the documents to Issa.


16 posted on 05/06/2012 9:14:35 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Hostage
If Obumbles wins my guess is the RATS will hold the Senate.
17 posted on 05/06/2012 9:28:12 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: marktwain
Say what?

Don't even think about it? They'll call you a racist if you say anything?

If you are (were) white and breathing (or not) they call you a racist!

It's all they got -- all they ever had. Only it don't work anymore.

Honest people finally realized that no matter how much you yield they still hate you.

18 posted on 05/06/2012 9:32:07 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: marktwain
In other words, the Democrats control the MSM, so give up

No, in other words...let's not create a martyr.

Obama is doing a good job of hanging himself lately. I'd hate to help create a left-wing martyr right now to save him.

Will the citation help sink him or help him swim? Sometimes stuff does the opposite of what we think. This is something to think about.

19 posted on 05/06/2012 10:31:21 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Beagle8U

What do you base your ‘guess’ on? Political analysts have it just the opposite.


20 posted on 05/06/2012 10:35:35 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Hostage
If voters are dumb enough to give that liberal puke another term, they are buying the agenda of the RAT senate too.

Can you name a POTUS election year that voters reelected a POTUS, but voted out those in the same party?

21 posted on 05/06/2012 10:57:41 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U
If voters are dumb enough to give that liberal puke another term, they are buying the agenda of the RAT senate too.

Last I checked Senators were elected by state voters and not by national voters.

Can you name a POTUS election year that voters reelected a POTUS, but voted out those in the same party?

Is this what you base your 'guess' on?

Don't you have any state data to backup your 'guess'?

22 posted on 05/06/2012 11:19:06 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: marktwain
Does this guy not remember when Democrats indicted recently-resigned Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger in the June before the 1992 election that gave us Bill Clinton?

That's why the press is pressuring Republicans to not follow through on contempt charges against Holder. The press knows two things:

1. Contempt charges will force the MSM to have to cover the details of the charge, and not just slam Republicans without offering any context.

2. Republicans ALWAYS cave under Democrat/MSM pressure. Even now, Boehner is waffling on supporting the contempt charges.

So, the MSM will apply the pressure, and Republicans will cave, eventually.

-PJ

23 posted on 05/06/2012 11:26:59 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Hostage
“Last I checked Senators were elected by state voters and not by national voters.”

State voters elect POTUS and Senators the same day, often with a straight party vote.

RATS seldom split their ticket in POTUS election years.

24 posted on 05/06/2012 11:43:40 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U
State voters elect POTUS...

State voters elect delegates to their state's Electoral College. The Presidential Electors elect the President.

25 posted on 05/06/2012 11:50:28 AM PDT by Publius
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To: Publius
“State voters elect delegates to their state's Electoral College. The Presidential Electors elect the President.”

What will voters be voting for on their Nov ballot, delegates or POTUS ? Which of those will be listed on the ballot?

Sorry, too cute by half.

26 posted on 05/06/2012 12:12:02 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U
Laws differ by state. In some states, the line on the ballot will read "Electors pledged to Such-and-such a candidate". In other states the line on the ballot will read "Such-and-such a candidate". In the end it doesn't matter.

When you cast your vote for president, you are voting for Presidential Electors pledged to a specific candidate, not the actual candidate. It's just how it works. It's not cute at all.

27 posted on 05/06/2012 12:17:06 PM PDT by Publius
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To: what's up

Holder is no martyr he is a dirty cop as matter of fact he is the highest ranking dirty cop in the country .

The serving director of the BATFE over the 4th of July Holiday gave sworn testimony in secret with his own legal counsel when he was in fact scheduled to give testimony on the 16th of July with legal counsel from the Attorney Generals office .
The man knows that the current regime is involved before ,during & after the fact in the murders of over 250 Mexican nationals & 2 Federal LEO’s.

HE provided both e-mails & hard copy memos that prove that this mess goes to the White HOuse . It is about a murderous corrupt DoJ that is need of a house cleaning that will make one of Joseph Stalin’s legendary purges look like a bunch of Sunday school kindergartners singing Jesus loves Me.

This nation cannot accept having such a corrupt & incompetent DoJ.


28 posted on 05/06/2012 12:21:35 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: Nebr FAL owner
Holder is no martyr he is a dirty cop

Well, that's obvious. But he may be portrayed as one by the left...that's the danger.

I really don't want Holder's face plastered across my TV screen as some victim of racism thank you very much.

29 posted on 05/06/2012 12:26:18 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Beagle8U

Republicans have controlled the Senate in most every election in my lifetime and have only recently lost control of the Senate. The voters that have consistently voted for republicans have stayed home in formerly safe GOP states or they opted not to vote for a Senator.

This year persons who make it their life career to study political elections say that voters are finding Senate republican candidates more to their liking.

Rats may vote straight but it won’t matter. Those states that were wrestled away from republican control will be go back in the R column because the pickings are better.

Republicans will win the Senate, Obama will win the presidency.


30 posted on 05/06/2012 12:48:12 PM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Hostage

We will see. I still think the senate will go with the potus winner party.


31 posted on 05/06/2012 2:02:18 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Hostage

Jeb Bush is fluent in Spanish. Maybe he could help?


32 posted on 05/07/2012 3:19:41 AM PDT by bigoil (Study Thy Nixon)
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To: bigoil

That’s actually a good idea.


33 posted on 05/07/2012 3:40:32 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: marktwain
But, instead of using him as a punching bag to defeat Obama, they may make him a martyr for the left to rally around.

The author is saying that political expediency is more important than the rule of law ie the Constitution. That political calculations are more important than the lives of two Federal agents and more than 300 Mexican citizens. That the future of the GOP is more important than the lives of future victims, both American and Mexican, of the F&F program. That is kind of a sociopathic way of looking at things.

34 posted on 05/07/2012 12:47:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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