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WWII veteran takes final flight on B-24 bomber
The Orange County Register ^ | May 11, 2012 | Jaimee Lynn Fletcher

Posted on 05/12/2012 9:15:01 AM PDT by EveningStar

The roar of the propellers cutting the air is what sparks memories for WWII veteran Howard Mann.

"The sound is the same," he said. "The sound brings it all back."

Mann, 92, was a passenger in the B-24 Liberator "Witchcraft" that took flight from Long Beach to John Wayne Airport on Friday as part of the Wings of Freedom exhibition at the Lyon Air Museum...

The last time Mann was in a B-24 was Jan. 3, 1945, flying over the Pacific...

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: California
KEYWORDS: americans; aviation; b24; heroes; lyonairmuseum; realamericans; wingsoffreedom; witchcraft; wwii

1 posted on 05/12/2012 9:15:11 AM PDT by EveningStar
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2 posted on 05/12/2012 9:16:13 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

The Greatest Generation!


3 posted on 05/12/2012 9:18:18 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: another casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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4 posted on 05/12/2012 9:19:21 AM PDT by EveningStar
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The Collings Foundation WITCHCRAFT.


5 posted on 05/12/2012 9:24:45 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: SkyDancer

Have you seen this? Cool story


6 posted on 05/12/2012 9:28:49 AM PDT by wastedyears (There can be only one.)
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To: EveningStar
For 13 days, he and the other nine men in the crew floated in a raft, caught rainwater to survive and had nothing to eat.

I have a little sea time, but I cant even imagine that.

7 posted on 05/12/2012 9:36:23 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: EveningStar

This guy was in from 1938 - 1945 AND flew in Korea and Vietnam.

Just freaking amazing.


8 posted on 05/12/2012 9:46:11 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The Democrat Ku Klux Klan is alive and well - Ogletree, Sharpton, Williams, Jackson)
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To: EveningStar; mickie
Bless his heart.

May he live to see flying automobiles over his head........

(....on the other hand......)

Leni

9 posted on 05/12/2012 9:50:30 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Wonderful plane. I was aboard it when it was known as the All American, and I have been on the nine-o-nine as well.

It tells you something about the men who flew in them in combat. I'm amazed they could take off with all those 'brass ones' on board.

10 posted on 05/12/2012 10:01:02 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Neat story, happy the ol guy got another chance to fell the memory.

Had the good fortune to fly on one of Collin’s B-25s as I have been a Dolittle fan since Grade School. The “feel of the sound” made you immediately think of the bravery of all those young guys. I know not one of them felt a second’s fear when taking off the deck and heading for Tokyo!!!!


11 posted on 05/12/2012 10:30:32 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I saw the plane fly back into JWA yesterday. Great sight.


12 posted on 05/12/2012 10:47:28 AM PDT by chrisinoc
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To: EveningStar; SeraphimApprentice; zot; Interesting Times; Alamo-Girl

Thank you for the post. The nose turret was my father’s “office” on the Liberator during WWII.


13 posted on 05/12/2012 10:56:29 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: VeniVidiVici

This girl I know father was a ball turret gunner on a B24. He was picked because he was small.
It took a lot of guts to fly into enemy guns in one of those and more guts to sit exposed under the airplane while every gun in Germany is aimed at you.
Bravo to both the USAAF and the RAF....


14 posted on 05/12/2012 11:00:01 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: EveningStar

Liberator bump


15 posted on 05/12/2012 11:02:15 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Chen Guangcheng: Gutsy call, Obama /UltraMegaDrippingSarc)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; windcliff; stylecouncilor

I coach high school baseball, and saw this and a B-17 fly over our field last week. The other coach’s couldn’t have cared less, but the kids were very enthused when I pointed out what they were, and scrambled to get a look as long as they could. They said they had been studying WWII in their history classes and were glad to be able to see some of its symbols still in the air.

Beautiful photo, A.A. Thanks for posting it.


16 posted on 05/12/2012 11:18:43 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: EveningStar; abigail2; AgThorn; al baby; BAW; bboop; BenLurkin; Bob J; Brad's Gramma; ...

Two excellent books to ready about B-24’s in the Pacific. There is a chance that the veteran was in the group in “Finish Forty [missions] and Home” by Phil Scearce; his own story of his time as a B-24 crew chief and gunner during WWII.

The second is “Unbroken - the story of Louis Zamperini” by Laura Hillenbrand


17 posted on 05/12/2012 11:21:24 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: X-spurt
The “feel of the sound”...

Probably the best way I have ever seen that put. Well said.

I have seen a static display Mitchell, but never been on board.

Theirs was indeed a great generation. May we live to see another, and may they not have to bleed as much to show it.

18 posted on 05/12/2012 11:29:25 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: EveningStar; All
Wonerful article..thanks for posting...

I'd take exception to the headline's term.."veteran takes FINAL flight.."

Hopefully the guy lives until he's 100, and he gets to go up in the bomber a few more times..

19 posted on 05/12/2012 11:50:46 AM PDT by ken5050 (FRACK Obama!!!)
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To: X-spurt
Had the good fortune to fly on one of Collin’s B-25s as I have been a Dolittle fan since Grade School. The “feel of the sound” made you immediately think of the bravery of all those young guys.

Here is my uncle (top left), his crew, and his B-25 during WWII. He was the pilot

Charlie, B25-01, Unknown island location during WWII.  5th Air Force.

20 posted on 05/12/2012 12:02:48 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: EveningStar

“The sound is the same,” he said

I’ve wondered about this since the fuel (octane rating) is different, 10 or 15 points lower, than what was available during WWII.


21 posted on 05/12/2012 12:12:58 PM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: chrisinoc

It and other Collings Foundation planes will be at Moffett Field next week. I bought raffle tickets for a ride from the Moffett Field Museum.


22 posted on 05/12/2012 1:20:24 PM PDT by shorty_harris
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To: Smokin' Joe

Wow, Collings repainted it again? The last time I saw it, I think it still had the “The Dragon And His Tail” paint job. I’m surprised they let them get away with that nose art considering how R-rated it was.

I saw that B-24 and Nine-O-Nine years ago at Martin State Airport in Baltimore. I had a friend that lived up there and he knew (through working with his daughter) a guy who flew as a bombardier on B-24s with the Fifteenth Air Force out of Italy. He flew 23 missions successfully, but on his 24th, to somewhere in Austria, they had a 500-pound bomb hang up on the shackles on the bomb bay...with the fuze armed. This gent had to climb out on a six-inch I-beam that ran across the bomb bay, with no parachute because there wasn’t room, and start hammering on the shackles of a live bomb with a fire axe, 10,000 feet over the Adriatic with the bay doors open.

He couldn’t get it loose, but when his damaged Liberator got back to Italy, it ran off the end of the steel-plank runway (a flak hit damaged the hydraulics and left it without brakes), hit rough ground, and *then* the bomb decided to break loose and explode right under the plane. Miraculously, all but one man survived (the nose gunner was crushed in his turret when the plane flipped) but all nine survivors were injured to some extent. By the time Ray recovered, the war was over.

He was totally matter-of-fact about this. He showed us all through the B-24, talking about how it flew and what he did (”I just pushed the button when the guy in the lead ship dropped his bombs, really”) and how he had to lock and unlock the nose-turret gunner in his little ball, and if he didn’t get that guy out he couldn’t get himself out and would go down with the plane...and through it all, his daughter, who had come along, looked at her dad in increasing awe. He’d never told her any of this stuff and he’d never shown her a B-24 before. She had no idea what he’d done.

Later on he showed us a real treasure trove of stuff that he’d saved...bomb damage assessment photos, sheets they’d used with navigation information on them, newspaper headlines from 1945, all sorts of things. It was amazing.

}:-)4


23 posted on 05/12/2012 5:38:28 PM PDT by Moose4 ("Oderint dum metuant" -- "Let them hate, as long as they fear." (Lucius Accius, c. 130 BC))
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To: Moose4

The Dragon and it’s Tail was in Kansas City some years back, before the repaint, and they made it a habit to taxi up to the terminal with the nose art away from the crowd :-)

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


24 posted on 05/12/2012 5:43:02 PM PDT by alfa6 (...Moderation is for monks RAH)
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To: OldMissileer
B-25 alright, with the ladder and hatch down behind the guys.

'Reminds me of being kids, and climbing and crawling around inside one that had been purchased by an old guy and his wife:
Lucy's Flying Service/Miami-St Thomas Virgin Islands.

25 posted on 05/12/2012 6:10:24 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Great photo AA...thanks


26 posted on 05/12/2012 6:28:58 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Moose4
I highly recommed this book to anyone interested in these planes and true heroes:

On a May afternoon in 1943, an Army Air Forces bomber crashed into the Pacific Ocean and disappeared, leaving only a spray of debris and a slick of oil, gasoline, and blood. Then, on the ocean surface, a face appeared. It was that of a young lieutenant, the plane’s bombardier, who was struggling to a life raft and pulling himself aboard. So began one of the most extraordinary odysseys of the Second World War.


27 posted on 05/12/2012 6:43:48 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for posting your father’s service as a nose gunner in B-24’s in WW-II.


28 posted on 05/12/2012 8:16:48 PM PDT by zot
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To: GreyFriar

“Unbroken - the story of Louis Zamperini” by Laura Hillenbrand is one of the very best books I have read.


29 posted on 05/12/2012 8:18:36 PM PDT by zot
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To: GreyFriar

Thank God for your dad!


30 posted on 05/12/2012 9:48:20 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: TalBlack
“The sound is the same,” he said

I’ve wondered about this since the fuel (octane rating) is different, 10 or 15 points lower, than what was available during WWII.


plus they no longer run the superchargers on the engines.
31 posted on 05/15/2012 5:35:55 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2

“plus they no longer run the superchargers on the engines.”

That I did not know. Saw a few take off and assumed they’d kick them in at alt.

The engines do have a note though. I do a lot of work near Republic in Farmingdale NY. The pattern is humming constantly with every type of engine and little attention is paid. EVERY SINGLE TIME a B-17 hit the pattern I was jolted out of my thoughts with: WTF is that!?


32 posted on 05/15/2012 6:34:05 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: TalBlack

These days they don’t fly high enough for them to be effective, and I’ve heard they are maintenace nightmares!


33 posted on 05/15/2012 7:15:21 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: EveningStar

My grandfather was a Liberator pilot. Shot down once. Shot up real bad on another mission. Half his crew dead including the copilot. He was awarded the DFC.

Gets home in one piece back to his wife and kids. A few years later he had a heart attack shovelling snow and drops dead in his driveway at age 44. My mom was 13, the oldest of 6 kids.

Gods plan right? My grandmother ended up drinking herself to death.


34 posted on 05/15/2012 7:29:09 AM PDT by strider44
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