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Gay marriage decision not working in Obama's favor so far
Los Angeles Times ^ | May 15, 2012 | Paul West

Posted on 05/15/2012 11:39:07 AM PDT by presidio9

It’s been one week since President Obama, prodded into action by Vice President Joe Biden’s remarks on a Sunday talk show, granted Robin Roberts of ABC News an interview in which he revealed his personal policy shift on gay marriage. Whether or not Obama’s decision, and the way it was handled politically, will make a difference on election day is still anyone’s guess — and may always be. Parsing reactions by millions of individual voters, particularly on an issue that ranks far below other concerns for most Americans, obviously involves a measure of guesswork.

That said, the first wave of polling is in, and the results aren’t looking particularly good for Obama. Taken together, four different national opinion surveys over the past week, by reputable organizations with good track records, indicate that the president’s stand could well hurt him politically. Unsurprisingly, the numbers are fairly close; but as often gets pointed out, tight elections are decided by small numbers of votes.

Perhaps the most encouraging sign for Obama comes from a new ABC/Washington Post poll, which found that independent swing voters had a slightly more favorable than unfavorable view of his position (though the results were a statistical tie, given the margin of error for that subgroup). ABC’s analysis, by statistician Damla Ergun of Langer Research Associates, pointed out that independents who reacted most strongly to the decision tilted against it, and that “strong sentiment can better predict voter turnout and vote preferences.”

A Gallup poll found that the overall change in public opinion was a” net minus” for Obama, though the organization cautioned that these results could change, depending on the degree to which same-sex marriage is, or is not,

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1 posted on 05/15/2012 11:39:14 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Probably a promise Obammy made to his ex Phil Boerner to keep him quiet.


2 posted on 05/15/2012 11:43:51 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan

3 posted on 05/15/2012 11:46:00 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
Whether or not Obama’s decision, and the way it was handled politically, will make a difference on election day is still anyone’s guess — and may always be.

Yeah, we'll never know. Never, never. Nope. It's unknowable. It's a big, fat unknown. In fact, and I'm quoting Don Rumsfeld here, "it's an unknown unknown."

It's unfathomable. Don't even ask. Don't ask, don't tell. It's an enduring mystery of the deep. Why, you could line up the greatest political minds in Los Angeles... heck, you could even throw in the greatest political minds in the San Fernando Valley too, and you know what? They couldn't tell you. They wouldn't have a clue. Just thinking about the question would give them a bad headache. That's just how it is.

4 posted on 05/15/2012 11:47:59 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: presidio9

Obammy could start losing the black vote for his support of gay marriage


5 posted on 05/15/2012 11:52:57 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: presidio9

At this point all Romney has to do is act presidential, and look stable.

Because Obummer is pretty much blowing himself up.


6 posted on 05/15/2012 11:53:43 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (If case you are wondering, I'm STILL supporting Newt.)
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To: tsowellfan

Call me cynical, but I really doubt it.
What, is he going to get 96% of the black vote instead of 98%?

More likely, he’ll see a downturn in turnout.


7 posted on 05/15/2012 11:55:50 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Steely Tom

8 posted on 05/15/2012 11:58:52 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
What, is he going to get 96% of the black vote instead of 98%?

I know what you mean but at this point in the game 2% means a lot for Obama right now.

9 posted on 05/15/2012 12:01:31 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan

Remember that’s 2% of 8%...
Not 2% of the entire population.


10 posted on 05/15/2012 12:03:11 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: presidio9

Was there ever any doubt who gays would vote for??...why would these idiots do this?
The Democrat party has always been the Gay party. Except for a small group who sort of identify themselves with the Republican party...Poofter=Democrat


11 posted on 05/15/2012 12:05:45 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: MrB

You’re too kind, Don.


12 posted on 05/15/2012 12:05:45 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: MrB

But you gotta wonder what % he thought he would gain from the gay population. I mean, seems like a bad political move.


13 posted on 05/15/2012 12:05:53 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: presidio9

No, no, no. Why, the Miami media is CELEBRATORY about Obama’s pro-sodomy position, and assures the readers, listeners, and viewers, that OBAMA is right on track for another four year reign of socialism.

One Florida reporter even is going to SIT DOWN with Michelle Obama for an “exclusive” interview and find out how WONDERFUL her “exercise” program is for kids...you know, just like the Soviet exercise programs after the Revolution.


14 posted on 05/15/2012 12:07:18 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: tsowellfan

You were one key too high.

It was % that he gained,
it was $.


15 posted on 05/15/2012 12:07:33 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

wasn’t! %


16 posted on 05/15/2012 12:08:09 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: tsowellfan

He won’t.

Skin color trumps everything.

He could be found eating the corpse of a dead child and a majority of blacks would still vote for their handout.


17 posted on 05/15/2012 12:08:55 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Cuttnhorse
Was there ever any doubt who gays would vote for??...why would these idiots do this?

Very good point and good question.

Why sacrifice votes you need to please voters you know will vote for you anyways?

Answer: It's the economy, stupid.

He's trying like heck to make this election about social issues. "Republican's war against women" now their "war against gays".

Obama does not want Romney talking about the economy. That's Obama's weakness.

18 posted on 05/15/2012 12:09:30 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: presidio9

Back in 2007 I knew this liberal straight guy who was really good looking, 26 years old, handsome, etc...and he actually got an interview with 0bama when 0bama came to his school. The kid has it on tape you can just seem 0bama make a beeline for the good looking boy and 0bama had his hands all over him. Just watching it I thought, 0bama is gay!!!


19 posted on 05/15/2012 12:09:59 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Boardwalk

No doubt


20 posted on 05/15/2012 12:13:43 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: MrB
It's the it was $ alright but I think the lack of $ from the voters is what's going to bite him in the end. You can put as much as you want into an election but the average American voter knows they are without a job, they see what's in the wallet and they feel the gas prices.

The republicans need to keep a focus on those issues and explain to the American voter exactly why things are like they are and not fall for Obama's tactic of changing the issues of this election.

The good news is (if he's smart)Romney only needs to keep talking the economy and let Obama keep talking about gay marriage.

21 posted on 05/15/2012 12:15:02 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan

He already has:

Churches Split Over Gay Marriage [Black and Protestant Churches]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2883411/posts

Black voters in NC supported Marriage Amendment One by 2-1 margin
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2882092/posts


22 posted on 05/15/2012 12:16:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: presidio9

Stupid stupid move by Obama, I mean mind-numbingly stupid.

He already had the gay vote locked up, he didn’t have to do one thing to get their vote.

All he did was firmly turn the independents against him...I could hear the sound of the High-Fives coming all the way from Romney Headquarters.


23 posted on 05/15/2012 12:18:36 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: presidio9

How it plays out politically remains to be seen.

However, at present Obama is flying around the country accepting bags of campaign cash as pay-off from the gay lobby.

To that extent, he’s gotten what he wanted.


24 posted on 05/15/2012 12:20:26 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: tsowellfan

Romney’s no Reagan,

but pretty much all that Reagan had to do was ask

“are you better off than you were 4 years ago?”


25 posted on 05/15/2012 12:21:33 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

“What good is gay marriage if you cannot afford the ring to put on his finger?” should be Romney’s second question.


26 posted on 05/15/2012 12:24:07 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: presidio9

To use the quote that was used against Bush Sr......wish I knew how to make it in big bold letters....

IT’S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


27 posted on 05/15/2012 12:24:17 PM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: tsowellfan

This is what he was after:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/15/timing-gay-marriage-announcement-paying-dividends-for-obama/


28 posted on 05/15/2012 12:26:20 PM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: MrB

I think some blacks will stay at home and not vote — so he may still get 95 percent of those who vote, but a chunk of them will not go to the polls. A black minister in Washington, D.C. has already announced he is staying him election day because of Obama’s gay marriage stand. This man, in turn, can influence an entire congregation. You could see the replicated around the nation.


29 posted on 05/15/2012 12:33:08 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: dfwgator; tsowellfan

This scenario only works if you don’t examine Romney’s views too closely. He was known as the “father of gay marriage” in MA (where he supported it heavily), and only became lukewarm on the topic when he decided he wanted to go national and get the non-MA GOP to sponsor him.


30 posted on 05/15/2012 12:35:29 PM PDT by livius
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To: MrB
More likely, he’ll see a downturn in turnout.

That actually is a big deal. For whatever reason, it appears that skin melanin hoarder Americans will always vote over 90% for the Democrat party. Though this party has stood against anything Christian, promoted abortion (which disproportionately hits these skin melanin one percenters), and supported homosexuality - they seem forced to pull the lever for anyone with a 'D' by their name.
The big factor is the turnout. If typically only 20% show up to the polls, whereas 90% showed up in 2008, that can cause a significant effect.

31 posted on 05/15/2012 12:35:55 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: livius

What are his views? He’s whatever you want him to be.


32 posted on 05/15/2012 12:37:38 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: presidio9

so now they get to call us racists AND homophobes when he loses...


33 posted on 05/15/2012 12:41:36 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: El Cid

That’s a riot...

“melanin-hoarding-Americans”


34 posted on 05/15/2012 12:41:54 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: tina07
wish I knew how to make it in big bold letters

Easy enough... Head over to the Sandbox and learn some simple formatting commands.

35 posted on 05/15/2012 12:42:45 PM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: tsowellfan

Of course you don’t hear it from the media, but the Obummer campaign is going through their money like .... well, like it’s taxpayer money - poof & it’s gone. The campaign staff is huge & spending like there is no tomorrow & they are in a bit of a panic because the cash isn’t rolling in as fast/much as they thought & over some ‘low’ poll numbers ... just made a 25 mill ad buy ... way early for that. In other words, when the Obummer bunch were told that the gay pocketbooks (his biggest bundlers are gay) couldn’t be pried open with a crowbar unless they got ‘something’ from the gay blade in the WH, he went for the $$. Gay for pay .... not necessarily for ‘votes’.


36 posted on 05/15/2012 12:43:08 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: tsowellfan
I mean, seems like a bad political move.

But, but but, (pardon the pun) Obama insists it's not political.

37 posted on 05/15/2012 12:44:13 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The United States of America, a banana republic since 1913)
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To: dfwgator

I think Romney’s what you want him to be only until he gets elected...and then he’s going to be Barry II, but worse, because this means that the GOP will have completely accepted the Dem plan. Actually, he’s not going to get elected to the presidency so probably this really doesn’t matter. Why vote for the white clone when you can vote for the original and get points for voting for a “person of (half) color”?

I keep hoping that something will happen that will keep Romney from being the candidate. I personally don’t like him on so many levels that it’s hard to know where to begin, but I also think that he’s simply not electable. His views are little different from those of Obama, he’s a big-government guy (regardless of what he has said from time to time, he grew the MA gov enormously and is considered to have created Obamacare), and he’s a member of a flaky non-Christian cult that had to be subdued by the threat of the US Cavalry.

The GOP-E must have been stoned or delirious when they annointed him. He’s the only one who can lose to Obama.

I’m voting down-ticket.


38 posted on 05/15/2012 12:50:48 PM PDT by livius
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To: presidio9

Need more petrolleum jelly..?


39 posted on 05/15/2012 12:52:20 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: Drill Thrawl

Obama’s The First Gay President. No, really

http://youtu.be/aF8MsYm5v-g


40 posted on 05/15/2012 1:08:14 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: tina07
....wish I knew how to make it in big bold letters....

FYI

<B><i><font size=+4> <font color=purple> IT’S THE ECONOMY, STUPID !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</font> </font> </i></b>

--- <b> =BOLD command
--- <i> =ITALICS command
--- <=+4> =FONT SIZE command
--- <=purple> =FONT COLOR command
--- </_>=closing command

Hence:

IT’S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


41 posted on 05/15/2012 1:37:56 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: presidio9
The lamestreamers always include a softening caveat whenever they are forced to report news that is in anyway negative towards Obama or the rats. Conservatives always get the full monty; the more raw the better.
42 posted on 05/15/2012 3:04:23 PM PDT by JPG (tagline is in the shop)
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To: rcrngroup

ping for later use


43 posted on 05/15/2012 3:19:20 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: SoFloFreeper
One Florida reporter even is going to SIT DOWN with Michelle Obama

With Obamas view point on sodomy now public, I would suggest sitting is safer.

44 posted on 05/15/2012 3:32:50 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: tina07

Fox is going to sell out conservatives on this issue. Wait for them to run endless sessions with Coulter, Rove, etc., criticizing the official Republican position against homo marriage.


45 posted on 05/15/2012 3:34:33 PM PDT by littleharbour
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To: presidio9

All this means is that Obama will ony get 140% of the black vote instead of the 218% he got in 2008.


46 posted on 05/15/2012 3:49:42 PM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: Steely Tom

Bravo!


47 posted on 05/15/2012 4:20:07 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: presidio9

How long before The One sez something like, “Oh well, then never mind”?


48 posted on 05/15/2012 4:31:48 PM PDT by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Thanks, will keep instructions for further use! Lots of BIG LETTERS needed until November 6th!!! (not sure if spacing is right at the end to enlarge, can't tell which you did, space or no space...testing!)
49 posted on 05/16/2012 10:02:23 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: tina07

space it was :)


50 posted on 05/16/2012 10:03:20 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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