Posted on 05/16/2012 10:42:20 AM PDT by thackney
Avgas has lead so it’s more problematic than just the road tax.
It’s trouble for the cat converter.
Kind of hard to think twice if you’re dead. sd
Kind of hard to think twice if you’re dead. sd
I need to correct my original post. I meant to type E85 instead of E15.
Not an issue for me, I refuse to drive anything new enough to require a computer in order to run.
These idiots are pushing us closer to the “Third Box”!
Ethanol has raised the price of metal Norton tanks to almost $500.
You don’t have to process corn to be able to feed it to cows. If is a high calorie cattle feed as grown.
All the processing does is remove calories, which are turned into ethanol. The remaining cattle feed, which did not need processing in the first place is lower in calories.
Corn prices in my part of the world have gone from $2.65 for 50 pounds of corn prior to ethanol in gasoline to $10.20 now. That increase is much more than the increase in energy costs over the same time period.
Food costs are only about 15% of disposable income in the US, but may be 40-50% of disposable income in other parts of the world.
When corn prices increase, because it is used to make ethanol, someone somewhere cannot no longer afford food.
And no, I don’t mean that people eat hard corn, just that many of the calories in that hard corn are being burned in our cars.
Do the calculations yourself. Average fleet mileage is about 20 miles per gallon. Annual average mileage is about 12,000 miles. That means each car is burning about 60 gallons of ethanol per year. Look up the caloric content of ethanol and see how many calories were burned in that car.
Based on that you’d be better off running E0.
or if you’re not using that many gallons, racing gas may actually be more available depending on your location
Gasoline vs. Ethanol Blended Fuels
Adding alcohol of any kind to gasoline, dilutes the fuel, and lowers the heat energy.
One US gallon of Gasoline (regular unleaded) = 114,100 BTU/gal
One US gallon of Ethanol (E100) = 76,100 BTU/gal
[67% of gasoline BTU]
One US gallon of 10% Ethanol/Gasoline Blend (E10) [114,100 X.9] + [76,100 X .1] = 111,300 BTU/gal
[97% of gasoline BTU]
Adding 10% ethanol to gasoline requires burning 3% more fuel to accomplish the same task.
All ethanol blended gasoline requires the consumer to buy more gallons of fuel in order to travel the same distance.
Highway fuel is taxed “by the gallon”, so governments collect more tax revenue from the consumer with blended fuels.
What happened to those bartenders in the old-west movies when they were caught watering down the whiskey?
Detonation occurs when you have too much timing advance and or too high of a compression ratio for the octane rating. The higher the octane, the slower the burn rate.
Detonation is basically what a diesel engine does. The way it is able to survive is that the fuel is injected directly into the cylinder at a predetermined time so that it detonates a few degrees before top dead center on the compression stroke.
Gasoline engines mix the fuel in the carburetor or in the intake runnier if fuel injected and compress the mixture.
Alcohol is only one of the ways to raise octane. In the days of olde, we used lead.
Methanol, ethanol, LPG and CNG all have higher octane than gasoline. For diesel it is called cetane.
I don’t dispute the calorie consumption. But I read the initial “removed from the food chain” to mean a reduction in available food.
In reality, the ethanol scam has created more corn in production. In spite of a history of dwindling farm acres, the actual crop acres harvested went up from 2002 to 2007 (first date set I found). The ethanol mandate went into effect in 2005.
http://www.ers.usda.gov/StateFacts/us.htm
My argument is that due to the swindle of tax-payer subsidy, more corn acres were planted and harvested, not all of it was taking other crops out of production, total acreage harvested actually rose.
To me, that sounds like an addition to the food chain, or more accurately a secondary production outside the food chain. There may be some reduction, but not all of it if the total acreage grew.
Actually, that's NOT the case. Especially in the case of older engines, the higher concentration of alcohol in the fuel acts as a solvent, even more-so that gasoline, getting rid of needed oil on both intake valves, and if there's any blow-by, from the cylinder walls as well. It will also play hell on any seals or lines not designed specifically for use with fuel that includes alcohol. Finally, being hydroscopic, it tends to attract water and cause rust.
Alcohol in fuel is a well known old engine killer. Sure, they can design engines to run on it, but it also requires more fuel for the same amount of driving.
Mark
I guess my Cummins diesel is flex-fuel.
I run used dino motor oil and any type of combustible hydraulic fluid I can get my hands on at about 5% by volume. Oddly enough, the mileage increases more than the volume added.
A friend of mine ran operations at a local summer camp and they couldn’t figure out why their gasoline storage tanks kept getting water in them (which they used to fuel the boats). Turned out it was the ethanol degrading and the byproduct was water. The ethanol gas has a short shelf life. If you burn through a tank of gas in a week or two, you won’t notice anything. However, if it takes longer, you’ll likely be pumping fuel into your engine that has 10% or more water.
The stuff is a total nightmare and needs to be removed from all stations.
I know all this. It was a question to make you think and realize your error.
yeah yeah
You ever heard of Ethyl grade gasoline? It was the fuel of preference(well, except for aviation fuel or straight alcohol) for all the hotrodders in the early 70s.
and it was the same thing as E10.
“...Ethyl grade gasoline...was the same thing as E10...”
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mamel, you are just so full of crap.
“Ethyl gasoline” referred to “tetra ethyl lead” not to ethanol.
ethyl alcohol=ethanol alcohol. Look in your chemistry book.
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