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Army Reviews Whether to Allow Women in Ranger School
Newsmax ^ | 16 May 2012 | N/A

Posted on 05/16/2012 9:12:40 PM PDT by Publius804

WASHINGTON — Army leaders have begun to study the prospect of sending female soldiers to the service's prestigious Ranger school — another step in the effort to broaden opportunities for women in the military.

Gen. Raymond Odierno, Army chief of staff, said Wednesday that he's asked senior commanders to provide him with recommendations and a plan this summer. And while he stressed that no decisions have been made, he suggested that Ranger school may be a logical next step for women as they move into more jobs closer to the combat lines.

"If we determine that we're going to allow women to go in the infantry and be successful, they are probably at some time going to have to go through Ranger school," Odierno told reporters. "If we decide to do this, we want the women to be successful."

According to Odierno, about 90 percent of senior Army infantry officers have gone to the school and are qualified as Rangers. Allowing women to go to Ranger school, he said, would allow them to be competitive with their male counterparts as they move through the ranks.

Going to Ranger school, however, does not automatically mean women would be allowed to serve in one of the Army's three elite Ranger battalions, which are Army special operations forces. In fact, many male soldiers who wear the coveted Ranger tab on their uniforms never actually serve in one of the three battalions.

Currently, women are not allowed to serve in special operations, infantry or armor forces, which are considered the most dangerous combat jobs. They are, however, allowed to serve in a number of support jobs such as medics, military police and intelligence officers that are sometimes attached to combat brigades.

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KEYWORDS: army; bhodod; females; militarywomen; politicalcorrectness; rangers; stupid; women; womenincombat
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To: Publius804

RLTW.


21 posted on 05/16/2012 9:45:32 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Publius804
Gen. Raymond Odierno, Army chief of staff, said Wednesday that he's asked senior commanders to provide him with recommendations and a plan this summer...

What pathetic DISGRACE.

22 posted on 05/16/2012 9:46:28 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: Publius804
OK, let's say the Army wants to send Suzie Soldier to Ranger School. As I understand it, the Army sends Ranger wannabes to “selection” — a pre-school to see if the wannabe could even compete in Ranger School. If the Army is going to be honest (fat chance) then NO waivers should be granted to any women during the selection pre-school. To do so will just mean they will wash out later in Ranger School. Better to separate out the nonperforming early.

There's another thing at work here that may have missed. The champions of opening up the Rangers to women have coached this in terms of providing jobs. Ah, hello Army brass — the Rangers aren't a jobs program. The Rangers are the tip of the spear; they are combat infantry recon teams. They are given risky combat jobs and there is no place for anyone who cannot do what the job demands. Waivers don't get it done when the bullets and rockets are flying.

The other dirty secret that no one speaks is this: exactly WHO are those championing Ranger School for women? I'll guarantee you that zero enlisted women want to go to Ranger School, but there are a certain number of women officers who want this. Why? Because the Ranger tab is seen as a fast track to promotion in the PC and feminized Army. The problem with this reasoning is the Ranger tab guarantees very dangerous assignments. Nothing interferes with a general officer's career like premature death on a risky mission in combat.

23 posted on 05/16/2012 9:50:08 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: AAABEST

Odierno has got to know the right answer here. He must be humoring those OBot Obama appointees above him.


24 posted on 05/16/2012 9:53:19 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I can’t imagine a situation where we’d need to use females in those roles.

There isn't one. The purpose of girl-Rangers, girl-SEALS, girl-mariners, and girl-aviators isn't the protection of the country. There's nothing any of them does—and this also applies to female cops or Guardsmen—that couldn't be done better and with less compromise to their unit by lots of males who would be glad to take the job. Coed protective services exist so some women can feel they have a life. They don't think they do, because they have no respect for . . . women. This applies to some—but certainly not all—females in the service. It applies mostly to civilian females—especially politicians—who are burned up over the idea that men can do things that women can't. It doesn't appease them that women can do things that men can't. Their self-loathing doesn't allow for that.

But delusion makes bad policy. Breaking things and killing people on an industrial scale is a male thing, and that's that. As far as I know, both the Israelis and the Russians gave up the girls-in-combat thing long ago, because it was a disaster.

25 posted on 05/16/2012 9:55:00 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: AAABEST
But, but, but what about that Serena David/ Mossad chick on NCIS. I'll bet she could really do well.

Just ask her fan club. I'll bet they vote for her. /sarc

26 posted on 05/16/2012 9:58:14 PM PDT by ibytoohi
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To: Red Steel

It’s a test of leadership and endurance more than anything else. Not much hand to hand combat.


27 posted on 05/16/2012 10:08:49 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: One Name
“Israel incorporated women into combat-ready units only because they had to as a matter of preparedness and national survival”

I would disagree with this statement. Women in combat roles in Israel is, and always has been, a result of leftist political ideology except perhaps for the briefest of periods. After 1948 women were removed from any combat roles based on studies done of the effectiveness of inclusion in war. In 2000, the Equality amendment to the Military Service law stated that the right of women to serve in any role in the IDF is equal to the right of men. There was no pressing logistical need to do so.

28 posted on 05/16/2012 10:10:42 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: lurk

Any society that sent its women into combat would have historically died-out.

Because it takes nine months for a woman to bear a child, with half of such children growing to be warriors.

While it only takes one man to impregnate an entire tribe of women.

Therefore any tribe that lacked the genetic, inborn distaste of sending its women into battle, would have died out in a very few generations at most because of the declining birthrate brought about by having fewer mothers.

Meanwhile, those tribes that had genes that influenced a dislike of sending women to war, would have continued to exist.

It drives me crazy to see people trying to rationalize their inborn, genetic, dislike of sending women into combat—you cannot rationalize not sending them. But you can simply understand that it is against human nature and so against the happiness and strength of a society.

Meanwhile I say men should not joint the armed forces in protest.

Let the armed forces be peopled only by women and foolish men who swallow the Kool-Aid about women’s equality.


29 posted on 05/16/2012 10:11:37 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: smokingfrog

Yes, I know...


30 posted on 05/16/2012 10:12:57 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Age of Reason
Any society that sent its women into combat would have historically died-out.

There's a famous quote that goes something like this.

"Men letting their wives and daughters fight their nation's wars will soon have neither. "

31 posted on 05/16/2012 10:18:32 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: One Name

The way things are going, we are not too far away from ‘there’——the commie Pres is doing his best to destroy this country and this is just another one of the ‘destroyers’-—the top ‘brass asses’ are the worst of all as they should know better but don’t give a sh-t just to keep their fat pensions——


32 posted on 05/16/2012 10:34:05 PM PDT by cmomm44
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To: Retain Mike

I heartily agree-—I enlisted and served 5 yrs in WW2 and would not ever enlist today with what is happening to our military——there are many good men in it but this allowing women ((potential mothers) to serve in combat is a stupid, disaster for our nations future as it is softening the killer instinct that is needed in the miltary warrior—I spit on all brass who choose to be political garbage and would allow this nation to be doomed if a real war breaks out (not that some of the fat assed men around would be worth anything in a time of trouble)


33 posted on 05/16/2012 10:46:55 PM PDT by cmomm44
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pure insanity. Is the military a social program or the protector of our nation? <<

and there u have it!...The answer before the right question!


34 posted on 05/17/2012 12:46:25 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: Publius804

Any woman that believes that she has what it takes to be a REAL Ranger or Seal needs to be knocked on their ass ... and it wouldn’t take a real Ranger or Seal to do it


35 posted on 05/17/2012 1:09:34 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Hoping to have some change left)
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To: lurk

Penis envy.


36 posted on 05/17/2012 3:07:17 AM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: Publius804

The ONLY thing that would do is generate a “dumbing down” of the Rangers for the sake of political correctness.

Our armed forces are being ruined for the sake of politicians’ social experiments.

In short, it’s pure BS.


37 posted on 05/17/2012 3:43:18 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: pawdoggie

Just because a woman can run, swim and cycle under her own weight in no way means she’s a candidate for Ranger School. The biggest physical requirement is the ability to hump a monstrous ruck. Mine weighted over 70lbs and I only weighed 130lbs at the time.

And, OF COURSE they’ll fudge the standards and tests. That’s what the Army always does with women in combat roles or inter-sex training.


38 posted on 05/17/2012 3:44:15 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: ibytoohi

You ain’t far from the truth, brother.
TV and Hollyweird has already indoctrinatd too many Americans who’ve never served and have never had to carry a woman’s load.


39 posted on 05/17/2012 3:53:58 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Publius804
100 men will test today, but only one will win the Green Beret.

10,000 women will test today, all will be GIVEN the Green Beret....

40 posted on 05/17/2012 5:05:00 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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