Skip to comments.Arizona elections chief seeks proof of Obama's citizenship
Posted on 05/19/2012 3:44:41 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
Arizona's secretary of state said Friday he had asked officials in Hawaii to verify that Barack Obama was born in their state in order for the president's name to appear on the November ballot in Arizona.
Ken Bennett, who is Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's campaign co-chairman in Arizona, said he made the request on behalf of a constituent.
Earlier this year, hardline Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio announced that an investigation by his office had found that Obama's birth certificate was a forgery.
Most Republican critics of Obama have given up pushing widely discredited long-running allegations that he was not born in the United States.
Bennett said he is attempting to confirm that Obama's name can appear on Arizona's presidential ballot, the Arizona Republic newspaper said.
While confirming on Friday that he had made the request, Bennett said he did not buy into the "birther" belief.
"First, I have been on the record since 2009 that I believe the president was born in Hawaii. I am not a 'birther,'" he said in a statement.
"At the request of a constituent, I asked the state of Hawaii for a for a verification in lieu of certified copy. We're merely asking them to officially confirm they have the president's birth certificate in their possession and are awaiting their response," he said.
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And he still has NOTHING from them. Why would it take eight weeks (or even four) for any one of the officials from Hawaii who would have authority over the records to write up a letter, have it notarized and mailed.
Uncle Sham, I believe you nailed it: Since there is no birth certificate in existence, this request is actually the perfect approach. Someone in the state of Hawaii would have to risk being charged with misprision of treason if they can be proven a liar about this. Remember, they do not know what evidence the posse has in it's possession. In my opinion, this seemingly simple, reasonable request is a trap. A brilliant one.
What ordinary person would put themselves in that position voluntarily. Of course the Thug Chicago Way could be brought to bear and Hussein could promise a pardon--but maybe the pardon wouldn't be valid since HE'S NOT ELIGIBLE!
The way the request was made seems to allow Hawaii to simply say “Yeah - we got it” - raising nothing to view or to question than what’s already out there. IMHO. ;-(
Someone has to put their signature to PAPER on that, that they CONFIRM IT, at risk of perjury.
They fear what Arpaio knows.
I don't expect anything "official" to be coming from Hawaii anytime soon.
I’ve said it before, Biden was chosen so, if and when it was needed, he could be Walpin’d away.
There are so many cracks in the dam holding back the truth about obama, I don't see how it'll hold up during the election's rainy season...assuming it even lasts that long.
Let the sky fall.
Yet....the current governor of HI has publicly stated that there is no such “animal” in the records.
Check. Your move HI.
Remember that he requested their certification 8 weeks ago and “contacted” them 4 weeks ago.
If he were going to accept an anonymous “we got it” from them, it would be over. I think he must have required a specific official’s certified word that there is an ORIGINAL in their files and no one has been willing to do that yet for TWO MONTHS!
Keep in mind that the Governor promised to show it and then admitted he couldn’t and another Health Dept. Official has publicly declared THERE ISN’T ONE.
It's called the Twentieth Amendment, Section 3. The burden of proof is on the one seeking the office and he/she must offer this proof to Congress. If there is no proof, he/she has "failed to qualify" and Congress must name an interim president. In this instance, Congress has simply ignored it's oath to support the Constitution and we have a usurpation as the result. We currently do not have a President, just a "resident".
Could be. Wonder if the SOS is working with Sheriff Joe Arpaio on this. Arpaio could be the "constituent" he was referring to.
Someone in the state of Hawaii would have to risk being charged with misprision of treason if they can be proven a liar about this.
Doubt if "misprision of treason" would be the appropriate charge. Furthermore, that would be a federal charge, and you know that Obama's DOJ isn't going to go there. (Could be perjury if the Hawaii official were asked to swear an oath to the truth of the "verification.")
FYI, I heard of this on ABC radio news on Friday afternoon. There was some snarky reference in their story to the fact that the Arizona SOS Bennett apparently didn't ask Michigan for verification of Mitt Romney's birth there, insinuating that Bennett was biased against Obama.
True. But remember that however this request is answered is subject to follow-up questions from the Posse. A lie cannot survive this approach and if the truth is that there is not a birth certificate, resident Obama is finished. At any rate, ALL of this is creating additional evidence for the posse in confirming their case in court as well as helping to identify those who have committed treason against their country. It's not the Secretary of State they are in fear of, it's the posse.
From what I read in an LA Times article, AZ SOS Bennett copied an application form off the internet and sent it in with $5. The HDOH responded by saying he needed to prove he was authorized to request/receive a verification. I would presume that Bennett responded by showing that he is the AZ SOS and has discretion to require candidates to convince him of their eligibility. If hes done that and its been more than 10 business days since hes heard from them, they could be stalling (par for the course in my experience) and the OIP will have to be involved to force a response out of them. They have to either deny or comply with his request. If they deny his request they have to give a legal reason.
Thing is, if his BC was amended in 2006 as the HDOH admitted, and if there are supporting affidavits as OIP Director Tsukiyama admitted (which would only be necessary for amended and/or late BCs), then the birth record they have for Obama is not probative/legally valid and HRS 338-13 says that the probative value must be determined when it is presented as evidence to a judicial or administrative person or body. IOW, the State of HI on its own does not vouch for the accuracy of any of the claims on an altered or late BC. If Obamas is late and/or amended (as is indicated by HDOH and OIP UIPA responses AND by their need to alter the 1960-64 birth index to include legally non-valid names in order to get both Obamas and Virginia Sunharas names on the list at the same time) then Hawaii CANNOT verify any birth facts for Obama. Their law forbids it. The only way there can be any legally-recognized birth facts for Obama based on what is in HI is if Obama actually presents that BC (complete with ALTERED stamp on it and notes about what proof was submitted to support the amendment) to a judicial or administrative person or body, who then have to follow the rules of evidence according to legal protocols.
If the HDOH ever DOES verify birth facts for Obama, then they have made conflicting public statements regarding Obamas records, and Bennett would have to figure out which statement was accurate. That could only be done through an audit of the records, as recommended by a HHS inspector generals report anyway (see http://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf ) That report says that a birth certificate alone should not be used to determine eligibility, especially when much is at stake for instance, a passport (which was the example they used, contrasting documentation necessary for Little League versus getting a passport). And it says that if there are signs that there could be a forgery (such as a vague or too-light seal such as was the case on the photo that Savannah Guthrie posted online) other proofs should be required and the records audited.
That poses a problem for Obama because EVERY proof known to exist for him shows signs of tampering:
1. Both the COLB and long-form show signs of forgery (the COLB has a seal that doesnt bend with the fold of the page its supposedly on; the electronic file had authenticating marks that could be moved around on the page clearly C&Ped from a different document than the rest of the image was taken from; and Savannah Guthries photo has just the kind of indistinct and light seal that the OIG report refers to as being too fishy) and conflict with what the HDOH has revealed through UIPA responses.
2. The draft registration is the only one from that post office at that time that lacks the first 2 digits of the 4-digt year stamp.
3. The SSN he used on his tax returns fails e-verify and was issued from Connecticut where Obama never lived.
4. His passport file has been breached 3 times, and sources close to the investigation told Newsmax that the purpose was to sanitize the record. And the one who oversaw the breaches was rewarded with a position as Chief of National Security.
ALL the records are suspect, and for any one of them to be used to determine eligility according to the OIG recommendations there would have to be a complete audit to figure out exact;u how and when that record really originated.
No matter how you slice it, Bennett is going to have to demand an audit before he can be sure of anything. There will be immense pressure on him to just bypass that step. We need to pray for him.
Something that may make the HDOH a bit hesitant to illegally verify Obamas birth facts is the realization that if Obama is defeated in the election, we may have an Attorney General who DOESNT shield all the crooks from federal investigation and prosecution, and at that point an earnest US Attorney in AZ would have everything he needs to throw every complicit person in HI in jail for a very, very long time.
Anything we can do to make it apparent to the HDOH that Eric Holder will not be able to stall justice forever . will help convince Loretta Fuddy to do the right thing, for once in her life. If she does, she will respond to Bennett by saying that she CANNOT verify Obamas birth facts. At that point Bennett will have what he needs to keep Obama off the ballot.
What we can do right now to help Bennett is to pray for him and to pressure our Congress-critters to hold Eric Holders feet to the fire AND to impeach him. Because Eric Holder is the lynchpin for this whole lawless mess were in. Hes the placeholder making sure that the feds will protect the crooks rather than prosecute them. If he is taken out of his position the whole lawless dam bursts and the crooks will have to fight to be the first person to turn so they can plea bargain for immunity or a lower charge in return for the goods on everybody else.
Sigh. I have tried everything in my power to be able to add spacing to this, and whether it’s something here at FR, or in Wordpress, or in Word (where I tried getting the formatting to work), or what - I cannot get ANYBODY to let me add spaces to this. Sigh.
If somebody wants to see it in coherent form I guess you’ll have to see it on my blog. It’s my latest comment on the “Welcome” post, at http://www.butterdezillion.wordpress.com
The basic gist is that if what the HDOH and OIP have already revealed is correct, Hawaii CAN’T verify anything because Obama’s BC is late and/or amended and is thus not legally valid. And if the HDOH realizes that AG Holder won’t forever be able to stave off a federal investigation and prosecution, they may balk at illegally “verifying” what the laws forbid them to verify.
IOW, pressure to get rid of Holder and pressure to get Obama defeated are the best ways - besides praying for him, which is tops - for us to help Bennett do what is necessary and right.
The post also explains why Bennett is not only legally justified but actually should be REQUIRED to demand an audit of ALL Obama’s records.
Hope you’re right! I thought I was wrong once but it turned out I was right so was I ever wrong? Its kind of confusing ... ;-)
I have the feeling that this battle has changed somewhat and perhaps has evolved to one between the Democrat Arkansas mafia and the Democrat Chicago mafia. They see a cliff and are trying to avoid it. The Arkansas mafia probably thinks it can save itself somewhat by revealing the ugly truth about the Chicago mafia. I think both are in a battle to the death. Too much at stake. Whatever transpires will be before the election. Just a gut feeling.