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Dragon arrives at space station in historic 1st
Yahoo news ^ | 25 May 2012 | MARCIA DUNN

Posted on 05/25/2012 8:45:26 AM PDT by mandaladon

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) — The privately bankrolled Dragon capsule arrived at the International Space Station for a historic docking Friday, captured by astronauts wielding a giant robot arm.

It succeeded in making the first commercial delivery into the cosmos.

U.S. astronaut Donald Pettit used the space station's 58-foot robot arm to snare the gleaming white Dragon after a few hours of extra checks and maneuvers. The two vessels came together while sailing above Australia.

"Looks like we've got us a dragon by the tail," Pettit announced from 250 miles up once he locked onto Dragon's docking mechanism.

"You've made a lot of folks happy down here over in Hawthorne and right here in Houston," radioed NASA's Mission Control. "Great job guys."

NASA controllers clapped as their counterparts at SpaceX's control center in Hawthorne, Calif. — including SpaceX's billionaire maestro, Elon Musk, of PayPal fame — lifted their arms in triumph and jumped out of their seats to exchange high fives.

This is the first time a private company has attempted to send a vessel to the space station, an achievement previously reserved for a small, elite group of government agencies. And it's the first U.S. craft to visit the station since the final shuttle flight last July.

The astronauts wasted no time getting the Dragon capsule into position for actual docking to the space station. The unmanned capsule is carrying 1,000 pounds of supplies on this unprecedented test flight.

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To: kabar
Who was President when the COTS contract was awarded?

/johnny

151 posted on 05/27/2012 10:46:51 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: unique1
how does that investment result in a return?

I've got tens of thousands invested in a proof of concept deployment (not space releated). I expect that after that is successful, I'll get a significant ROI. I am seeing enough return to help pay the bills on it now.

Same kind of thing with Space-X. Musk knows that he'll have to bankroll Falcon Heavy himself because no-one wants to be the first customer on an untested launch platform.

Wanna make money, gotta risk money. But watch it very carefully, and make good decisions.

/johnny

152 posted on 05/27/2012 10:52:22 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: kabar
The best thing that ever happened for Americans that really want to get back to space is cancelling the Shuttle program.

What a cluster fornication.

Big waste of money, people killer, and generally unproductive.

I pray the government never repeats that kind of committee engineering nightmare.

/johnny

153 posted on 05/27/2012 11:07:57 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
You seem to be missing the point. Obama has already received credit for this just like he has for TARP and the bailout of GM and Chrysler, both begun under Bush.

Obama Vows Renewed Space Program--April 2010

"KENNEDY SPACE CENTER, Fla. — Pointing to Mars and asteroids as destinations, President Obama on Thursday forcefully countered criticisms that he was trying to end the nation’s human spaceflight program.

This was the first time that the president had lent his personal political capital in an increasingly testy fight over the future of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

“The bottom line is, nobody is more committed to manned spaceflight, to human exploration of space than I am,” he said in a speech to about 200 attendees of a White House-sponsored space conference here.

But he was unwavering in insisting that NASA must change in sending people into space. “We’ve got to do it in a smart way,” Mr. Obama said, “and we can’t just keep on doing the same old things we’ve been doing and thinking that’s going to get us where we want to go.”

Instead of earlier vague assurances by Charles F. Bolden Jr., the NASA administrator, and other administration officials that NASA would eventually venture beyond Earth orbit, Mr. Obama gave dates and destinations for astronauts. But the goals would be achieved long after he leaves office: a visit to an asteroid after 2025, reaching Mars by the mid-2030s.

“Step by step, we will push the boundaries not only of where we can go but what we can do,” Mr. Obama said. “In short, 50 years after the creation of NASA, our goal is no longer just a destination to reach. Our goal is the capacity for people to work and learn, operate and live safely beyond the Earth for extended periods of time.”

Mr. Obama noted that President John F. Kennedy challenged Americans to land on the Moon in 1961 — the year the current president was born. But the plan Mr. Obama laid out for now through the 2030s was unlike the Kennedy vision: It was a call for private industry to innovate its way to Mars, rather than a call for a national effort to demonstrate American predominance.

Mr. Obama’s budget request to Congress in February proposed a major shift for NASA: canceling the Constellation program, started five years ago to send astronauts back to the Moon, and turning to private companies for carrying astronauts to the International Space Station.

Strikingly, Mr. Obama used the speech to blame his predecessors for lacking leadership on space policy and the critics of his own plan for failing to recognize that times have changed. NASA’s budgets, he noted, have “risen and fallen with the political winds.” That appeared to be a shot at President George W. Bush, who announced a new plan for NASA after the Columbia disaster and barely mentioned space policy again for the rest of his presidency. And he argued that turning to private entrepreneurs would result in more space flights and more astronauts in orbit than the space plan he inherited.

“In the end, this seems like an expensive proposition that makes simply continuing to use the Russians for crew rescue look like a bargain,” Michael D. Griffin, the former NASA administrator who oversaw the creation of Constellation, wrote in an e-mail message.

Elon Musk, the chief executive of the Space Exploration Technologies Corporation, or SpaceX, cheered the president’s speech and policy. He said the Dragon capsule that his company is developing could also serve as a lifeboat, and its design would also allow six-month stays at the station.

154 posted on 05/27/2012 11:10:46 AM PDT by kabar
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To: JRandomFreeper

155 posted on 05/27/2012 11:21:46 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
This scheduling of this is no accident. I watched the head of NASA today extolling Obama's plan to privatize space exploration.

"”In 2006, NASA awarded the company a Commercial Orbital Transportation Services (COTS) contract to design and demonstrate a launch system to resupply cargo to the International Space Station (ISS)""

Who was President of the United States in 2006 Mr. kabar?

156 posted on 05/27/2012 12:14:47 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Who was President when the COTS contract was awarded?

Mr. kabar runs for the tall grass everytime that question is asked.

157 posted on 05/27/2012 12:19:28 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

See my post #154.


158 posted on 05/27/2012 12:43:35 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
This scheduling of this is no accident. I watched the head of NASA today extolling Obama's plan to privatize space exploration.

"”In 2006, NASA awarded the company a Commercial Orbital Transportation Services (COTS) contract to design and demonstrate a launch system to resupply cargo to the International Space Station (ISS)""

Who was President of the United States in 2006 Mr. kabar?

I've seen your long winded posts.

Feel free to answer the question now.

159 posted on 05/27/2012 1:09:28 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
You seem to be missing the point. Obama has already received credit for this just like he has for TARP and the bailout of GM and Chrysler, both begun under Bush.

I had to put it in bold because you must have missed it in my post #154.

160 posted on 05/27/2012 1:18:10 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
You care about who gets the credit? Maybe that's what's wrong with NASA.

I care about what actually gets done.

"It's amazing what you can accomplish if you don't care who gets the credit"

R. Reagan, President of the United States.

Personally, I'm just glad that NASA is out of the business of handling or operating spacecraft, and the deadwood from the Shuttle era can find productive work doing something useful.

/johnny

161 posted on 05/27/2012 1:26:29 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

We will see what the result will be. Right now, we must depend on the Russians to get our people back and forth on the space station. We will see if Obama’s vision is the best one. His track record is not very good.


162 posted on 05/27/2012 1:43:59 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Since it's Elon's vision that Obama is claiming credit for, I expect Elon will do what he says he will do.

/johnny

163 posted on 05/27/2012 1:49:11 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

LOL. Like Tesla?


164 posted on 05/27/2012 1:55:06 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Or Paypal. You can't just include failures. Because people that do things will occasionally fail. He has gigantic successes, too.

Let's see you start up a launch company.

/johnny

165 posted on 05/27/2012 2:03:19 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: N. Theknow

Didn’t William Shatner already do that?


166 posted on 05/27/2012 2:38:23 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: kabar; JRandomFreeper
You seem to be missing the point. Obama has already received credit

Come on kabar.

Gore implied he made the Internet possible?

Ya believe him?

Bama took total credit for Bin Laden as several military Generals winked and nodded and shook his hand as if he led the mission and planned it from the beginning. Most people know better.

Who cares what politicians take credit for?

They lie.

Too much politics here.

In fact, this is why SpaceX donated to the Democrats and Republicans. This is what most all large private businesses do in order stay in biz, gain favor and move ahead.

167 posted on 05/27/2012 2:46:47 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: mandaladon

So can this private company out source and manufacture in Malysia, Taiwan or Mexico? Can this private company sell rockets or technology to foreign countries?


168 posted on 05/27/2012 3:07:27 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: JRandomFreeper

They did nothing new. NASA did that in the 1960s. Private Industry just copied similar designs done in the past. Russians do what private industry has done. Private industry didn’t think anything up. You missed that point.

Coming up with a new way to get into space and returning would be new.


169 posted on 05/27/2012 4:26:53 PM PDT by moviefan8
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To: cruise_missile
Space-X has a large plant investment in California and Texas. Any sales to foreign countries would have to meet ITAR specs.

To remember what the regs were, I had to go get my ancient RSA T-shirt that I bought to support Philip Zimmermann. I normally only wear that when I get a new picture for my driver's license. ;)

/johnny

170 posted on 05/27/2012 4:31:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: moviefan8
They are doing if for about 1/5th the cost. I call that different.

/johnny

171 posted on 05/27/2012 4:32:58 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: mandaladon

This is the greatest real achievement of NASA paving the way for private exploitation of space. This is what discovering new worlds is all about.


172 posted on 05/27/2012 4:40:47 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: JRandomFreeper

But NASA has provided private industry with the launch facilities and other support.
If private industry had to do it on their own, the costs would be higher.

This mission is not entirely funded or supported by private industry.

Unforunately you are wrong.


173 posted on 05/27/2012 4:47:06 PM PDT by moviefan8
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To: JRandomFreeper

GM had a large investment in Detroit. Now most of their cars are being made in China.

I was a project lead for a ground station in Malaysia in ‘96. I had a s/w engineer on my team that had a red passport. He was a PRC citizen. All approved by the Clinton administration.

This was just before Loral and Hughes Aircraft taught the Chinese to launch multiple satellites at a time.

Oh yeah. Apple was heavily invested in California at one time too.


174 posted on 05/27/2012 4:48:23 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: JRandomFreeper
I had to go get my ancient RSA T-shirt that I bought to support Philip Zimmermann. I normally only wear that when I get a new picture for my driver's license. ;)

I have one of those! RSA in PERL with the machine readable part in barcode. An export controlled T-shirt. Nobody gets it, ever.

I, for one, welcome our new NSA Overlords /.

175 posted on 05/27/2012 4:50:25 PM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer. Programming for everyone.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Also, private industry did not spend anything on design or materials since all they had to do was look to the past.

I think we will have to end up agreeing to disagreeing on this subject.


176 posted on 05/27/2012 4:50:28 PM PDT by moviefan8
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To: moviefan8
You have it backwards, bucko.

A government agency is paying a private company for a service, and only paying for meeting milemarks, not just cost plus. And the taxpayer is getting a big break on the price.

Best thing that ever happened in space developments.

The first Falcon 9 was privately funded because no-one wanted to be the first. When Musk made his bones on that, lots of folks, not just government lined up for launch spots.

/johnny

177 posted on 05/27/2012 4:54:18 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Mycroft Holmes
In the umpteen years that I've put that T-shirt on to go get my picture taken for a driver's license, I've had exactly one state trooper ask: "What the hell is that about?"

And when I tried to explain it to him, he fork-bombed or something. Blank stare.

/johnny

179 posted on 05/27/2012 5:02:57 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
One of my colleagues was wondering whether the return to the "capsule" approach to launches was a step backwards from the space shuttle. I pointed out that one of the things that the space shuttle launches into orbit every single time is a full set of enormous, heavy tires:

... which are only of any use at the very last moment of the trip. Along with the wings, tailfin, and all the equipment needed to control them, all making up a huge chunk of mass that could be better used to send more useful things into orbit.

180 posted on 05/28/2012 6:33:39 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Good point.


181 posted on 05/29/2012 7:08:19 AM PDT by 3rdcoastislander
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To: JRandomFreeper

When is undocking and return?


182 posted on 05/29/2012 2:10:05 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68
They mentioned the date, but I can't remember it. It won't be too long. It just stays for a few days. They have a couple of days of unpacking, and a couple of days of packing, and then it leaves.

/johnny

183 posted on 05/29/2012 2:46:14 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper; All

It’s also going to bring down some science data and samples for analysis...

Trash usually comes down on the throw away Progress craft...

Dragon is a little too valuable as a trash hauler...


184 posted on 05/30/2012 1:52:20 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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