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Navy awards Mississippi shipyard $2.38 Billion contract to build USS Tripoli (LHA-7)
NAVY ^ | 31 May 2012 | Naval Sea Systems Command

Posted on 06/01/2012 4:32:41 AM PDT by moonshot925

WASHINGTON (NNS) -- The Navy awarded a $2,381,448,356 contract to Huntington Ingalls Industries Inc. (HII) May 31, for the detail design and construction of the future USS Tripoli (LHA 7), the Navy's next large-deck amphibious assault ship.

The ship will be constructed at HII's Ingalls Operations in Pascagoula, Miss. Ship delivery is expected in fiscal year 2018.

Like the future USS America (LHA 6), LHA 7 has an increased aviation capacity, including an enlarged hangar deck, realignment and expansion of the aviation maintenance facilities, a significant increase in available stowage for parts and support equipment, and increased aviation fuel capacity.

(Excerpt) Read more at navy.mil ...


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KEYWORDS: lha7; mississippi; navy; tripoli; usstripoli
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1 posted on 06/01/2012 4:32:54 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

Go Navy!


2 posted on 06/01/2012 4:43:04 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: moonshot925

The USS Tripoli? How disrespectful and Racist! This is a slap to the face to all our good Muslim Brothers and Sisters! (sarc)


3 posted on 06/01/2012 4:49:50 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: moonshot925

Hmm, when it’s finished it should just about be able to transport the whole EU military any where in the world it’s needed. /s.

Well, maybe not /s.


4 posted on 06/01/2012 4:53:01 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: moonshot925

On a serious note - in any other Navy these days the ship would be an Aircraft Carrier.


5 posted on 06/01/2012 4:55:42 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: PeteB570

Not with NObama at the helm.......


6 posted on 06/01/2012 4:57:47 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: moonshot925

“”the Navy’s next large-deck amphibious assault ship””

As opposed to the NON amphibious ship?


7 posted on 06/01/2012 5:11:28 AM PDT by shelterguy
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To: Duffy; onyx; DrewsMum; Tupelo; mstar; jdirt; Vietnam Vet From New Mexico; wardaddy; KLT; ...

Magnolia State Ping!


8 posted on 06/01/2012 5:16:01 AM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: TexConfederate1861

9 posted on 06/01/2012 5:16:06 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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Magnolia State Ping!


10 posted on 06/01/2012 5:18:36 AM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: shelterguy

The designation “amphibious assault” refers to these ships’ ability to carry large and powerful units of “amphibious ‘soldiers’” (Marines) and their equipment.


11 posted on 06/01/2012 5:46:19 AM PDT by Sigurdrifta
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To: duffee

Mississippi ping
I was posting to Duffy instead of you. So Duffee you can call me dooflous


12 posted on 06/01/2012 5:46:54 AM PDT by WKB (There are too many coincidences in this world...... for this world to be a coincidence.)
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To: moonshot925

looks like the Tarawa class with a little larger deck


13 posted on 06/01/2012 5:48:18 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: moonshot925

I remember when a CVN and the airwing was $1 billion total cost.

There is a lot of waste in federal spending. Defense is no exception.

An LHA should not cost over $2 billion.


14 posted on 06/01/2012 5:59:09 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan
An LHA should not cost over $2 billion.

I'm sure there are a lot of folks in Mississippi and Virginia who would love to hear all your expertise on how to accomplish that.

15 posted on 06/01/2012 6:03:26 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: WKB

Thank you, I didn’t know if that Duffy was supposed to be me or was another Duffy. My duffee is an old Scottish spelling and is the name of my Scottish Terrier.


16 posted on 06/01/2012 6:07:16 AM PDT by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I'm sure there are a lot of folks in Mississippi and Virginia who would love to hear all your expertise on how to accomplish that.

Actually, the 150 million tax payers would really love to hear it. I've been around plenty of DoD contracts and believe me, lots and lots of waste. And a good portion of it is the massive administrative hurdles designed to prevent waste.

Pointing out wasteful spending by the DoD should be everyone's concern. Paying outragous amounts for our military makes us weeker, not stronger.

17 posted on 06/01/2012 6:37:06 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan
As a taxpayer (regardless or what else I might be) I'm far more interested in eliminating "entitlements", unconstitutional bureaucracies, bailouts, economic stimuli, and foreign aid than I am in continuing the leftist hack and slash job against the DOD. A slightly overpriced LHA does far less damage to these United States than TARP.

That said, I am far from convinced that there is nearly as much "fraud, waste and abuse" in DOD as the "fraud, waste and abuse" zealots claim.

And a good portion of it is the massive administrative hurdles designed to prevent waste.

ROFL!!! So ... do you want to eliminate the massive administrative hurdles, or erect another layer of administration to eliminate the waste caused by the anti-waste bureaucrats?

18 posted on 06/01/2012 6:51:44 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SampleMan
An LHA should not cost over $2 billion."

Hmmm...I'm guessing about $3,638,230,164.67 if they weren't using all those chicom junk parts...

(Of course, i could be off by a few dollars.)

19 posted on 06/01/2012 6:56:30 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: moonshot925

I’m an advocate of more small carriers such as this and a fleet of diesel subs for regional work.


20 posted on 06/01/2012 7:02:10 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: duffee

I don’t think Duffy minded. He hasn’t posted since 2006


21 posted on 06/01/2012 7:02:55 AM PDT by WKB (There are too many coincidences in this world...... for this world to be a coincidence.)
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To: SampleMan
“I've been around plenty of DoD contracts”

That could mean you are a librarian, supply clerk, copy boy, etc.

If you have specific expertise in naval architecture and shipbuilding, then present it.

22 posted on 06/01/2012 7:04:57 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: SampleMan
I remember when a CVN and the airwing was $1 billion total cost.

That was many, many, many, many moons ago.

Cost of the latest boat, CVN-78, alone is $13.5 billion.

23 posted on 06/01/2012 7:14:36 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: moonshot925

The shipp is planned at 45,000 tons which is heavier than the Frogs Charles de Gaulle.


24 posted on 06/01/2012 7:19:04 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: starlifter

Here are some folks with specific expertise in naval architecture and shipbuilding:

“Maersk Line orders 10 “Triple-E” mega-ships

Maersk Line has signed a contract for 10 of the world’s largest, most efficient container vessels with an option to buy another 20. The vessels will have a capacity of 18,000 TEU and will be delivered from Korea’s DSME shipyard from 2013 to 2015.

The new, giant container vessels will be known as Triple-E, based on the three main purposes for their creation:

Economy of scale
Energy efficiency
Environmentally improved

At 400 metres long, 59 metres wide and 73 metres tall, the Triple-E will be the largest vessel of any type known to be in operation. Its 18,000 twenty-foot container capacity is a massive 16 % larger (2,500 TEU) than Emma Mærsk.

At a cost of USD 190 million per vessel — and therefore a contract value of USD 5.7 billion should the option for a further 20 be exercised — Maersk Line is buying the ships to position itself to profit from the 5–8 % growth in trade from Asia to Europe that the company expects, and to maintain its industry leading market share in the trade.”

http://www.maersk.com/Press/NewsAndPressReleases/Pages/20110221-114915.aspx

Here are some particulars on the Tripoli:

“LHA 7 and LHA 6 are the first two ships in the new America class of amphibious assault ships. At 844 feet long, 106 feet wide, and a displacement of 44,971 long tons, the Tripoli will be about 100 feet shorter than a Midway-class aircraft carrier, yet with roughly the same displacement. A pair of General Electric LM2500 gas turbine engines will provide roughly 70,000 total shaft horsepower enabling the ship to achieve speeds in excess of 20 knots.”

Some further particulars on the Maersk Triple E class:

Other principal measures of the Triple-E include: o Beam (breadth): 59 meters o Draught: 14.5 meters o Deadweight: 165,000 metric tonnes o Reefer container capacity: 600 o Top speed: 23 knots”

Comparing construction costs, the Maersk vessels will cost $1,151.00/DWT, while the Tripoli will cost $57,777.00/DWT, or 5,000% more.

I am willing to make some allowance for increased costs for warship construction due to specialized systems, etc, but the Tripoli costs are way, way out of proportion.


25 posted on 06/01/2012 7:28:50 AM PDT by ThirdMate
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To: ThirdMate
Excellent points...though a couple of things to consider:
- economy of scale.
- Maersk is essentially building empty hulls with very limited crew facilities
- The Navy is building a combat ship that must defend itself, have certain stealth characteristics, house hundreds of crew and Marines, have extensive damage control systems not typically found in a civilian vessel, an expensive command and control suite, a floating airport with facilities to maintain an repair aircraft, etc.

You're comparing apples and desk chairs.

26 posted on 06/01/2012 7:48:31 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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27 posted on 06/01/2012 7:59:02 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: starlifter

Granted, there are limitations to the comparison, a better measure would be to compare lightship displacement costs per ton, not deadweight.

Even allowing for all the bells and whistles of outfitting a warship, in the end a ship is made of plate steel, cut and welded.

For another comparison, look at the Allure of the Seas, world’s largest cruise ship, 5,000 plus passengers, a floating palace.

Roughly 4 times the size of the Tripoli, constructed in 2010 for $1.2 billion.

I believe the key point you have made is economies of scale. Not simply economy of scale through a single class of ship, but scale throughout the entire US shipbuilding industry, such as it is. There is no domestic merchant shipbuilding sufficient to support a naval construction program.

Remember Alfred Thayer Mahan. A nation’s sea power is utterly dependent upon a domestic merchant marine to provide the ships, shipbuilding and manpower required.

Under current conditions, a single naval order is required to support almost the entire infrastructure of yards and shipbuilders.

At these costs, every ship becomes a capital ship that cannot be lost, or even risked.

Name: Allure of the Seas
Owner: Royal Caribbean International
Operator: Royal Caribbean International
Port of registry: The Bahamas Nassau, Bahamas
Ordered: February 2006
Builder: STX Europe, Turku, Finland
Cost: US$1.2 billion (2006)
Yard number: 1364[1]
Laid down: 2 December 2008[2]
Launched: 20 November 2010
Maiden voyage: 1 December 2010[3]
Identification: Call sign: C6XS8
IMO number: 9383948
MMSI number: 311020700
Status: in active service, as of 2012
General characteristics [4]
Class and type: Oasis-class cruise ship
Tonnage: 225,282 GT
242,999 NT
19,750 DWT
Displacement: approximately 100,000 tons[5]
Length: 360 m (1,181 ft)
Beam: 47 m (154 ft) waterline
60.5 m (198 ft) extreme
Height: 72 m (236 ft) above water line
Draught: 9.3 m (31 ft)
Depth: 22.5 m (74 ft)
Decks: 16 passenger decks[6][7]
Installed power: 3 × Wärtsilä 12V46D (3 × 13,860 kW/18,590 hp)
3 × Wärtsilä 16V46D (3 × 18,480 kW/24,780 hp)
Propulsion: 3 × 20 MW ABB Azipod, all azimuthing
4 × 5.5 MW Wärtsilä CT3500 bow thrusters
Speed: 22.6 knots (41.9 km/h; 26.0 mph)
Capacity: 5,400 passengers (lower berths)
6,300 passengers (all berths)[1]
Crew: 2,384[8]
Notes: 50 mm (2.0 in) longer than Oasis[9]


28 posted on 06/01/2012 8:23:15 AM PDT by ThirdMate
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To: starlifter; ThirdMate

ThirdMate is comparing an 18-wheel truck to a main battle tank.


29 posted on 06/01/2012 8:29:52 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: C19fan

Great News! My first ship was the USS SAIPAN (LHA-2). LHA’s are very large and very versatile ships. I’m sure the new one will have even more capabilities.

I admit I was a bit shocked wen I saw the $2.4 billion price tag though. Maybe this one will have an onboard precious metals vault and the price includes the cost of a couple tons of gold bars :^)


30 posted on 06/01/2012 8:31:50 AM PDT by DJlaysitup
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To: ArrogantBustard

Nah, trucks and tanks don’t float!


31 posted on 06/01/2012 9:16:06 AM PDT by ThirdMate
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To: A.A. Cunningham
That was many, many, many, many moons ago.

Late 80's. A 1000% increase in 25 years seems a bit steep.

32 posted on 06/01/2012 10:08:32 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: starlifter

Seriously, you want to defend the premise that Federal spending suddenly becomes efficient and cost effective when it is DoD?

I have worked on naval aviation support contracts off and off sense leaving active duty.

The cost of depot level maintenance on FA-18s is at least double what it could be.


33 posted on 06/01/2012 10:13:29 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
ROFL!!! So ... do you want to eliminate the massive administrative hurdles, or erect another layer of administration to eliminate the waste caused by the anti-waste bureaucrats?

The former. Somehow the private world is able to conduct business without it.

34 posted on 06/01/2012 10:21:14 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan
Nice try, but I am not making nor defending any premise.

You stated without equivocation that an LHA should not cost more than $2B...I asked you to demonstrate the competence to make that claim. So far you have not been able to do it.

Working on “naval aviation support contracts” can mean anything.

35 posted on 06/01/2012 10:22:56 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: SampleMan
The former.

Well ... there, at least, is a point of agreement. I'd gladly join in eliminating the Department of Eliminating Waste and Redundancy Elimination Department ...

Even at the risk of being accused of encouraging waste.

36 posted on 06/01/2012 10:30:13 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: starlifter

Whatever. Take a hike.

$2.8 billion for an LHA is ~$35 per pound, with very little in the way of weapon systems (CIWS only).

I’m curious, as $2.8 billion isn’t an issue for you, is there any figure that you would question.

Has it occurred to you that overspending hurts our military capability? e.g. if ships and planes cost half as much, we could afford more of them.


37 posted on 06/01/2012 10:33:53 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Islander7

We’ll take it!


38 posted on 06/01/2012 10:40:24 AM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY.)
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To: WKB

ROTFL.


39 posted on 06/01/2012 10:41:45 AM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY.)
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To: SampleMan
Honey, you have no idea what I think about weapon system costs. You made a statement of fact, I asked you to defend it and you cannot.

But I am shocked and dismayed that a woman with your vast experience, wisdom and knowledge has not been snapped up by the shipbuilding companies so they can learn how to properly build naval vessels at the right cost.

40 posted on 06/01/2012 11:21:44 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: starlifter

Unless you are the Green Lantern, stop calling me “honey”. I’m a man.

Second, I’ve worked around DoD projects for 25 years and know what waste looks like.

I have no doubt that ships and aircraft can be and are built for considerably less than when done under DoD contractual provisions. Designing and building a standard airliner would cost 40-70% more if it were done under DoD contract (not off the shelf purchase).

Do you have any knowledge, what-so-ever of DoD contract requirements? Any? Have you ever managed one? Forget that, do you read current events?

As I said before, federal spending doesn’t suddenly become circumspect and intelligent when the dollars get put into the DoD accounts.


41 posted on 06/01/2012 11:41:46 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan
Yes dear.
42 posted on 06/01/2012 11:48:52 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: starlifter

Kiss my ass dirtbag.

You sure as hell wouldn’t say that to my face. Not more than once.

If you desire an address to give it a shot, just let me know.


43 posted on 06/01/2012 3:43:04 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan
Now sweetheart, don't get your panties in a knot.
44 posted on 06/01/2012 6:25:13 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: starlifter

You’re chicken squeeze, all the way through.

I’ve emailed you my contact information. I’m happy to finish this face to face. Put up or shut up.


45 posted on 06/01/2012 6:30:08 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Islander7

That is awesome!

Thank you for the ping!

I hope you are doing well.


46 posted on 06/02/2012 12:02:42 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: SampleMan
Oh Dougie-poo...you started of with an unsupported assertion then got your panties in a twist when you got called on it. How awful for your fragile ego. Man-up and stop being such a thumb-sucking pussy.
47 posted on 06/02/2012 6:01:10 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: starlifter

You are a coward. I’ve given you a chance to, as you say “man up”, but you stick with your anonymous homosexual come ons.

You love wasteful spending and like to sweet talk men, why are you on FR? Did DU kick you out of their Little Boy forum?


48 posted on 06/02/2012 11:54:30 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan
I'll tell you tomorrow...
49 posted on 06/02/2012 12:19:31 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: dixiechick2000

Doing great thanks. This is good news. Means my nephews will have work for years.


50 posted on 06/02/2012 12:42:57 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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