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THE LEGACY OF WORLD WAR II: THE BATTLE OF MIDWAY
utsandiego.com ^ | 3 June 2012 | Peter Rowe

Posted on 06/03/2012 3:50:59 PM PDT by smokingfrog

Spanning hundreds of leagues and four days, June 4-7, 1942, the Battle of Midway pitted an overmatched American fleet against a Japanese armada in a desperate struggle for command of the Pacific. What unfolded more than 1,000 miles northwest of Hawaii was, British historian John Keegan maintains, “the most stunning and decisive blow in the history of naval warfare.”

Saturday in San Diego, the U.S. Navy celebrated this triumph’s 70th anniversary. Aboard the retired aircraft carrier named for the battle, 1,000 guests were to hear videotaped comments from a handful of survivors.

They included aviators, Marines and one plucky steward.

“The Japanese had the most ships,” that steward, 97-year-old Andy Mills, said during an earlier interview in his San Diego home. “But we knew they were coming — we had cracked their codes. We had the upper hand.”

The U.S. Navy may have had another advantage — it was stocked with flexible, creative officers and sailors. Mills, a black man in the then-segregated Navy, began the Battle of Midway as a steward aboard the carrier Yorktown, making meals and cleaning rooms. Before the battle’s end, he would crack a safe, struggle to save a doomed vessel and abandon ship — twice.

Midway turned the tide of World War II in the Pacific, snapping a string of Japanese victories that had begun six months earlier at Pearl Harbor.

(Excerpt) Read more at utsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: Japan; US: California; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: anniversary; california; hawaii; history; japan; midway; navy; worldwareleven; worldwarii; wwii
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To: moonshot925
The Japanese were simply not equipped, in any aspect, to win a long war.

It is kind of amazing, when you think of it. The Japs had years to prepare, train their forces, and plan their initial and follow on attacks. The US was basically caught unaware and not really on a war footing.

Yet, within a few months, the US had organized itself to build the mobile strike forces (carriers), the air forces (B-29's and long range fighters) and the ultimate atomic weapons that would win the war. The training, tactics and logistics involved were figured out and implemented. Meanwhile the Japs were spreading their forces thinly all across the Pacific. Training, logistics, and a strategy to actually defeat the US were sorely lacking.

VDH writes about the "western way of war" and how western nations, from ancient Greece to now, are better able to organize their societies to destroy their enemies. I don't think anything has changed.

21 posted on 06/03/2012 4:31:53 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: central_va

Too bad that Laser Guidance timing lagged so much.


22 posted on 06/03/2012 4:34:56 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: smokingfrog

The attack of the SBDs was 15 minutes that changed the world. I’ve sailed over the spot where the Yorktown sank in RIMPAC 1994 Very moving to sail those same seas.


23 posted on 06/03/2012 4:34:56 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

The Japanese thought we(and all their opposition) would just fall over dead or run away. There is not much need to create a long term plan for victory if you are racially superior.


24 posted on 06/03/2012 4:41:07 PM PDT by AceMineral (Will work for money.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

The Japanese plan had been to strike as close as possible to “out of the blue” (only translation difficulties in the Japanese embassy in D.C. prevented a “formal” declaration of war being announced before the start of the Pearl Harbor attack), overrun and grab as much territory as possible while the Western colonial powers were still reeling, establish themselves in their new lands, then step forward with a peace offering before the Americans and British could recover and mount a counteroffensive.

How little the Japanese understood their foes....


25 posted on 06/03/2012 4:43:10 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: moonshot925

Do you think that if things had gone very badly at Midway that there may have started a “peace with Japan” movement in late 1942?


26 posted on 06/03/2012 4:44:29 PM PDT by AceMineral (Will work for money.)
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To: AceMineral
Well, not all of them. Yamamoto knew better. He went to Harvard. A quote from him.

"In the first six to twelve months of a war with the United States and Great Britain I will run wild and win victory upon victory. But then, if the war continues after that, I have no expectation of success."

A disputed quote, but it sounds good:

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

27 posted on 06/03/2012 4:48:28 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: yarddog
An old shipmate of mine flew A-6s aboard the USS Midway in the early 1980s. They pulled an inport visit to Australia.

He said he lost track of the number of times the Aussies thanked him for the Battle of the Coral Sea.

28 posted on 06/03/2012 4:52:24 PM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Japan never had a chance in a war with the United States. In 1939 the USA produced 51.3 million tons of steel. Japan produced 5.8 million tons of steel.


29 posted on 06/03/2012 4:55:14 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: rlmorel

One thing I recall from Saburo Sakai’s book is he considered the American Pilots early in the war to be of really high quality but their planes were very inferior.

I also remember him saying the best pilot he ever faced was a Dutchman very early in the war. He was flying an old obsolete fighter but every time Sakai was ready to shoot, he would evade. He eventually did shoot him down but Sakai clearly thought he would have lost to him if the Dutchman had a good plane.

Sakai also said the reason the Americans eventually prevailed was the quality of their planes fairly soon became better than the Japanese. He said they did develop some fighters which were just as good as the mustang but they were too few and too late.


30 posted on 06/03/2012 4:57:10 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: A_Former_Democrat
"Should be mandatory viewing by every liberal. Let them see the horrors brought on by concentrated central power."

It doesn't really matter. Liberals would point out the "divinity" of the Japanese emperor and blame the war on religion...

31 posted on 06/03/2012 5:00:25 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: central_va

Otherwise known as the speedy three.


32 posted on 06/03/2012 5:01:16 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: smokingfrog
 
 
Would have been a great article except for the manipulative way it was written. They put it as if all he was or allowed to be was a steward. BULL****. When the feces hit the fan, everbody had a battle station. Everybody. Cooks, orderlies, stewards and so forth weren't just hiding below decks, washing dishes and polishing the silverware when the shooting started, they had battle duties to attend to and were cross-trained to perform those duties, such as loading and operating the elevators from the magazine below decks to keep the guns above fed and operating, shell handling at the gun emplacements, damage & fire control - many jobs that required participation by all personnel to insure the survival of the ship and crew. Going by what was in the article, it seems Mr. Mills was certainly involved in damage control and firefighting and consider it an insult to him and his service that they did not go into detail concerning his full duties and capabilities. But that wouldn't fit the agenda of fueling racial tensions and keeping old wounds picked open and bleeding, would it?
 
 
 

33 posted on 06/03/2012 5:03:41 PM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: AceMineral

No. The American people did not forget about Pearl Harbor. They wanted victory and a defeat at Midway would make them even more motivated, not less.


34 posted on 06/03/2012 5:10:00 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: skeeter

Wow..... You were certainly privileged and you have my envy.


35 posted on 06/03/2012 5:13:00 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: yarddog

One of the things I’m amazed with is how quickly they could get things done, developed, invented, repaired, etc. All the new weapons, ship repairs, The Bomb, conversion of factories to wartime use....training of personnel . . .what an incredible effort home and abroad.


36 posted on 06/03/2012 5:15:59 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Fat, drunk and stupid = Dumb, dependent, and Democrat)
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To: moonshot925

Fortune was in our favor on this day.

Good fortune, and untold bravery.


37 posted on 06/03/2012 5:16:21 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: smokingfrog
The major thing I took from reading Herman Wouk's War and Remembrance was the courage and valor of the pilots of the torpedo planes who knew that, without a fighter escort, they were on a suicide mission.

But they went in anyway.

38 posted on 06/03/2012 5:19:40 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Former Proud Canadian
And don't forget, we were a God fearing and worshiping country at that time. With the murdering of babies and a queer loving Congress and removing the Lord from all our schools and everywhere else we can get away with it, we may lose the next big one. God was on our side then because we were on His.
39 posted on 06/03/2012 5:19:54 PM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

I think the great depression had something to do with it. It toughened us and also our enemies.

Also our morality and sense of national patriotism was far far stronger than now. I can recall my Father mentioning that all their officers were fine men.


40 posted on 06/03/2012 5:27:08 PM PDT by yarddog
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